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Grave Robbers Steal Bones from Miami's Historic Cemeteries

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At first glance, a tree branch appears to have fallen into the coffin. The lid has been pried off, leaving the contents roasting, naked, in the Miami sun.

“No, that’s a leg bone. See where the foot used to be?” said Arthur Kennedy, bending down to take a closer look at the smooth, brown, contoured tibia.

Kennedy would know. He’s not a forensic scientist but he is a cemetery caretaker — who lives in the middle of a cemetery — and he’s recently seen more bones than he cares to remember.

“Here’s his belt,” Kennedy said, pointing to a rotting black strap hanging off the side, a remnant of the dignity of the dead man when he was buried in his Sunday best.

A rash of vandalism and an increase in trespassing at three of Miami’s oldest cemeteries has not only disturbed the repose of the deceased but complicated the struggle of protecting and preserving historic sites that have been neglected for years.

Ransacked grave. Damage to graves and trespassing by drug addicts and Santeria worshippers who deposit offerings are ongoing problems at Miami's oldest graveyards.

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At Lincoln Memorial Park, burial place of some of Miami’s most prominent black leaders, three graves — including one of a child — were broken into and ransacked two months ago.

Kennedy, who lives in the small office at the center of the 10-acre Lincoln property in Brownsville, nightly chases away drug addicts, homeless people, prostitutes, vandals, bone burglars and Santeria worshippers who deposit offerings of slain chickens, fruit, candy, cigars and coins.

“I got shot once. Guy pulled a gun on me when I told him to get out,” said Kennedy, rolling up his shorts to show a scar on his thigh. “I might pick up 18 chickens in one day. I’ve picked up a boar’s head, a dead monkey, dead rabbits, apples, a birthday cake. We got some serious voodoo and hocus pocus out here.”

“A goat’s leg, a pig’s head, little cups of espresso, voodoo dolls,” he said. “Every Sunday the grave of Lt. Gen. N.I. Egoroff of the Russian Imperial Army is covered with sweets — only sweets.”

Grave robbers steal bones from Miami's historic cemeteries | Miami Herald
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The grave robbing is almost certainly the work of Santeria and voodoo practitioners. Homeless people might crash in an old cemetery because they got nowhere else to go, but sure aren't going to do any hard labor prying open a casket to get the bones of the departed.

I can hear the liberal scorn now...."who CARES taac!? The Irish and Italian immigrants used to rob graves for tasty skulls and leg bones too!" :lol:
 
Have the dead complained about having their graves robbed?
 
truthatallcost said:
The grave robbing is almost certainly the work of Santeria and voodoo practitioners. Homeless people might crash in an old cemetery because they got nowhere else to go, but sure aren't going to do any hard labor prying open a casket to get the bones of the departed.

I can hear the liberal scorn now...."who CARES taac!? The Irish and Italian immigrants used to rob graves for tasty skulls and leg bones too!" :lol:
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It's interesting -- I actually posted this a few days ago but got no response. Further down in the article it tells the sect they think it is -- an African sect that may also be involved in human sacrifice.

Something is amiss in those communities. :shock:
 
Xelor said:
Have the dead complained about having their graves robbed?
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Witty comment right here. I doubt, however, the families of the deceased appreciate the remains of their loved ones being stolen.
 
Cisero said:
Witty comment right here. I doubt, however, the families of the deceased appreciate the remains of their loved ones being stolen.
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The wit was the beginning and end of the purpose for the remark.
 
truthatallcost said:
I can hear the liberal scorn now...."who CARES taac!? The Irish and Italian immigrants used to rob graves for tasty skulls and leg bones too!" :lol:
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So can we add Irish and Italians to the list of people groups you hate as well? This has to be one of the most egregious examples of a strawman I have ever seen.
 
SO they only half bury the dead/Casket.. That's like parking your car and leaving the keys in the ignition..

They may want to dig just a little deeper..


djl
 
Carjosse said:
So can we add Irish and Italians to the list of people groups you hate as well? This has to be one of the most egregious examples of a strawman I have ever seen.
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I knew there'd be a liberal or two who would be angrier at me than at the 3rd world voodoo witches who are destroying cemeteries and stealing human remains. Nothing is more sacred to them than multiculturalism unfortunately.
 
HowardBThiname said:
It's interesting -- I actually posted this a few days ago but got no response. Further down in the article it tells the sect they think it is -- an African sect that may also be involved in human sacrifice.

Something is amiss in those communities. :shock:
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There's been many disturbing stories involving that sect, including murder for religious rituals. Miami is both one of the coolest cities to visit, and also one of the weirdest. If you don't get snatched up by a voodoo cult, it's guaranteed to be one of the best vacations you've ever had!
 
truthatallcost said:
No, but the cemetery caretaker who was shot by one of Obama's grave robbing saints has.
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Who is this saint of whom you write?

What exactly is the nature of that saint's relationship with Obama?
 
Xelor said:
Who is this saint of whom you write?
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Saints, plural.

What exactly is the nature of that saint's relationship with Obama?
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Voodoo practitioners in Miami are mostly Haitian immigrants. Obama supported letting in as many Haitians as possible, and as a consequence, 100,000 entered the USA in a short period under his watch. He also was critical of Trump during the media's outrage about unproven allegations involving disparaging remarks attributed to Trump about Haiti.
 
truthatallcost said:
Saints, plural.



Voodoo practitioners in Miami are mostly Haitian immigrants. Obama supported letting in as many Haitians as possible, and as a consequence, 100,000 entered the USA in a short period under his watch. He also was critical of Trump during the media's outrage about unproven allegations involving disparaging remarks attributed to Trump about Haiti.
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I guess all ~70K of Haiti's voodoo practitioners are who you imagine immigrated to the U.S. as part of the 100K figure you note?
 
 
Xelor said:
Have the dead complained about having their graves robbed?
truthatallcost said:
No, but the cemetery caretaker who was shot by one of Obama's grave robbing saints has.

Xelor said:
Who is this saint of whom you write?

What exactly is the nature of that saint's relationship with Obama?
truthatallcost said:
Saints, plural.

Voodoo practitioners in Miami are mostly Haitian immigrants. Obama supported letting in as many Haitians as possible, and as a consequence, 100,000 entered the USA in a short period under his watch. He also was critical of Trump during the media's outrage about unproven allegations involving disparaging remarks attributed to Trump about Haiti.

Xelor said:
I guess all ~70K of Haiti's voodoo practitioners are who you imagine immigrated to the U.S. as part of the 100K figure you note?

truthatallcost said:
No, but Miami's voodoo adherents are mostly Haitian. It's a problem that's existed in Miami for years;

Human Skull and Bones Discovered at Apparent Sacrifice Site in Hialeah Gardens (PHOTOS) | Miami New Times

https://www.local10.com/news/animal-remains-routinely-found-at-miami-dade-county-courthouse

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1983/01/11/A-Haitian-boat-captain-accused-of-killing-two-men/3516411109200/
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So:
  • A cemetery caretaker has complained about having been shot by people tampering with graves.
    • That's a legitimate complaint. He got shot; it doesn't much matter by whom. The caretaker didn't indicate who, among the types of individuals -- "drug addicts, homeless people, prostitutes, vandals, bone burglars and Santeria (voodoo) worshippers" -- who ransack the graves, shot him.
  • You, however, have declared that he ransacker who shot the caretaker is, per your description, one of "Obama's saints" (a term of which you've yet to define what precisely it means and what it takes to be one), which, for whatever else you think that term means, apparently means that one is both Haitian and voodoo practitioner.
So, tell us...is it your own witchcraft or voodoo that allowed you to know that a Haitian voodoo practitioner is who who shot the caretaker? Are you Mr. Kennedy, thus you know who shot you, even though that information isn't reported in the Herald? I'm just trying to understand what allowed your cognition to take you from what was reported in the paper -- the caretaker, Kennedy, got shot once -- to what you asserted above, the cemetery caretaker...was shot by [a Haitian voodoo worshiper].

KevinKohler said:
Cemitaries aren't for the dead. They're for the living.
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It would seem that the cemetery at which Mr. Kennedy works is for a variety of living people, most notably "drug addicts, homeless people, prostitutes, vandals, bone burglars and Santeria (voodoo) worshippers," and, of course, the caretaker, seeing as the cemetery provides him with a job.
 
Xelor said:
So:
  • A cemetery caretaker has complained about having been shot by people tampering with graves.
    • That's a legitimate complaint. He got shot; it doesn't much matter by whom. The caretaker didn't indicate who, among the types of individuals -- "drug addicts, homeless people, prostitutes, vandals, bone burglars and Santeria (voodoo) worshippers" -- who ransack the graves, shot him.
  • You, however, have declared that he ransacker who shot the caretaker is, per your description, one of "Obama's saints" (a term of which you've yet to define what precisely it means and what it takes to be one), which, for whatever else you think that term means, apparently means that one is both Haitian and voodoo practitioner.
So, tell us...is it your own witchcraft or voodoo that allowed you to know that a Haitian voodoo practitioner is who who shot the caretaker? Are you Mr. Kennedy, thus you know who shot you, even though that information isn't reported in the Herald? I'm just trying to understand what allowed your cognition to take you from what was reported in the paper -- the caretaker, Kennedy, got shot once -- to what you asserted above, the cemetery caretaker...was shot by [a Haitian voodoo worshiper].



It would seem that the cemetery at which Mr. Kennedy works is for a variety of living people, most notably "drug addicts, homeless people, prostitutes, vandals, bone burglars and Santeria (voodoo) worshippers," and, of course, the caretaker, seeing as the cemetery provides him with a job.
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So you've read the OP, which contains such bizarre events as people stealing human corpses, leaving decapitated goat's heads in cemeteries, and an assortment of other sundry behaviors, but what really drove you to protest was the fact that I assumed corpse-stealing voodoo priests wouldn't think twice about shooting the cemetery groundskeeper.

Strange world liberals live in :shrug:
 
How did they get past the armed guards?
 
truthatallcost said:
So you've read the OP, which contains such bizarre events as people stealing human corpses, leaving decapitated goat's heads in cemeteries, and an assortment of other sundry behaviors, but what really drove you to protest was the fact that I assumed corpse-stealing voodoo priests wouldn't think twice about shooting the cemetery groundskeeper.

Strange world liberals live in :shrug:
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Leaving goat's heads smacks of Santeria.
 
truthatallcost said:
So you've read the OP, which contains such bizarre events as people stealing human corpses, leaving decapitated goat's heads in cemeteries, and an assortment of other sundry behaviors, but what really drove you to protest was the fact that I assumed corpse-stealing voodoo priests wouldn't think twice about shooting the cemetery groundskeeper.

Strange world liberals live in :shrug:
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No.

My objection is that you assumed that the caretaker was shot by a Haitian voodoo practitioner instead of a non-Haitian or one of the other "characters" -- "drug addicts, homeless people, prostitutes, vandals, bone burglars" -- whom the caretaker indicated frequent the cemetery and you failed to establish that being any of those things is concomitant with being a Haitian voodoo worshiper.

If you can soundly/cogently establish that being a voodoo worshiper is concomitant with being a drug addict, a homeless person, a prostitute, a vandal, and a bone burglar, then it becomes reasonable to assume that the person who shot the caretaker was shot by a voodoo worshiper. Despite the fact that the article expressly says, "Damage to graves and trespassing by drug addicts and Santeria worshippers who deposit offerings are ongoing problems at Miami's oldest graveyards," I'll even give you that being a Haitian voodoo worshiper is plausibly concomitant with being a vandal (damaging the tomb) and/or bone burglar (because the Haitian form of voodoo is described in the article as one associated with human bones), but being a drug addict, homeless person or a prostitute is most certainly not obviously attendant to being a Haitian voodoo worshiper, and none of those three types of character strikes me as being particularly estranged or situationally averse to shooting others.

Assuming you can establish that the aforementioned relationship, that leaves you with having to establish also that the voodoo worshiper who may have shot the caretaker is of Haitian rather than some other extraction. Well, the caretaker stated that the type of voodoo worshipers who visit his cemetery are Santerian and "bone burglars," the latter being presumably Haitian. Well, the Santerian form of voodoo is practiced is mainly practiced in Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Dominican Republic, Mexico, Venezuela, Panama, and Colombia, not Haiti, though I'm sure there are Haitian Americans/green-carders who practice Santeria. Miami has plenty of folks from each of the noted nations, and homelessness, prostitution and drug addiction are not foreign to people of any extraction. Moreover, all of the noted figures are trespassing when they are in the cemetery after hours. (Do you think those folks are "doing their do" during the middle of the day? I don't.)

The above noted logical lacunae are why I asked you if it was your own witchcraft that allowed you to determine whether it was a Haitian voodoo worshiper who shot the caretaker. My question to that effect has nothing to do with my or your politics, or politics at all. It has everything to do with simply thinking about the matter and consider how credible be your assertion. Since one must make so many unsound logical leaps, I just guessed you must have used witchcraft -- maybe a crystal ball, tea leaves, eye of newt, etc.... -- to determine that the shooter was a Haitian voodoo worshiper.
 
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