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Who Owns Your Body Parts?

I have tried to get him to make a point and have intelligent discourse, but all I get is innuendo and accusation. Apparently asking appropriate questions is a liberal tactic.;)

I mean, it is not like I am asking "gotchya" questions like "what magazines do you read"?
 
Murder...
Nazi's...
Harvard butchers...
Socialist priests...
Government bloodlust...
Euthanasia...
More Nazi's... clones this time...

Your post is like an action novel...

I'm not disputing the OP's content, but the verbose, bolded posts are annoying.
 
I have tried to get him to make a point and have intelligent discourse, but all I get is innuendo and accusation. Apparently asking appropriate questions is a liberal tactic.;)

I mean, it is not like I am asking "gotchya" questions like "what magazines do you read"?
You are asking very fair questions... seriously.
 
Those who killed Terri Schiavo (1963 – 2005) said that she was not in pain —— never admitting that starvation causes pain even if the brain was not functioning well.

Who can deny that thoughts and emotions processed by the brain originated elsewhere as in pain or fear? The brain is a processor that cannot feel pain. As far as I know, there was no damage elsewhere sending signals to Terri’s brain telling her to feel pain. There was no evidence that she was feeling pain. Even if it can be shown beyond a doubt that she was in pain the answer is painkillers not euthanasia.

Who can swear that Terri’s life force, her emotions, her ability to know life was not functioning? Say that a bird landed on Terri’s windowsill. How can anyone say that Terri did not experience the same pleasure and curiosity that makes an infant giggle? The euthanasia crowd will never admit to that possibility because they only speak for themselves. They assume that because they do not want to live in a so-called vegetative state no one else does either.

If I am absolutely correct about this ——Terri’s very essence was starved in the cruelest way imaginable.

Agree or disagree with removing Terri Schiavo’s feeding tube, but you cannot deny that an individual got away with killing her. The person who actually removed the feeding tube committed murder. I never found the name of the person who did it? And I never understood why he or she was not arrested for premeditated murder?

Florida’s courts allowed it, and the US Supreme Court refused to hear the case. Had the SCOTUS taken the case you can be certain liberals would have screamed about the government interfering in our lives. Naturally, it is not government interference when a state court ordered the feeding tube removed.

Why murder? And why premeditated?

A person had to commit the physical act of removing the feeding tube well-knowing Terri’s death would be the result. That is premeditated murder. Think of it this way. Suppose the individual who removed Terri’s feeding tube had the court’s permission to shoot her rather than let her starve to death. Would that be premeditated murder?

Parenthetically, TV viewers are bombarded with government propaganda depicting hard-hitting cops and district attorneys ever-ready to lockup the bad guys, yet someone commits a deliberate act that ends in the death of another human being and there was not cop or a district attorney in sight. In fact, the policeman on duty in Terri’s room was told to leave the room so he could not identify the murderer.

In addition, judges in Terri’s case are guilty of aiding and abetting a premeditated homicide. At the very least, someone in authority should have told those judges: “If you want that feeding tube removed come and do it yourself.” I know that if I worked at Terri’s hospice and someone ordered me to remove her feeding tube, I would have told them where to shove the job.

NOTE: Please do not compare the court-ordered murder of an innocent woman to the execution of a criminal after decades of tax dollar funded appeals. In any event, Terri Schiavo did not hurt anyone, but she was killed without her consent anyway.

One of the arguments I heard for killing Terri cited her Right to abstain from receiving artificial life support. The word abstain was actually used. Of all of the sick perversions in that tragedy the abstain claim is the worst; more so since no one knew what Terri wanted. The government does not allow Americans to abstain from anything these days. Obviously, an exception was made to accommodate the Grim Reaper in Terri’s Right to abstain from being murdered.

Not punishing Terri Schiavo’s murderer is only one such example.

To no one’s surprise the ACLU came down on the side of killing Terri Schiavo. The ACLU is a charter member in the Culture of Death Club, while at the same time the ACLU fights the death penalty at every turn.

The autopsy of Terri Schavio found her brain had turned to jelly. There was nothing left to kill. What was done to her husband was criminal. And the religious right deprived that poor women of heaven for years. God must not have been very happy about that.
 
The autopsy of Terri Schavio found her brain had turned to jelly. There was nothing left to kill. What was done to her husband was criminal. And the religious right deprived that poor women of heaven for years. God must not have been very happy about that.

I am more upset with how the fanatics treated her parents. Preying on people looking for hope. How much lower can you go? She died with them totally believing their was legitimate hope.
 
I am more upset with how the fanatics treated her parents. Preying on people looking for hope. How much lower can you go? She died with them totally believing their was legitimate hope.

It was really horrible that her husband was denied his rights in the courts and demonized because he (And every single Doctor on the case) wanted her body to be put to rest with her brain that had long ago perished. Then Jeb Bush and the GOP Congress stepped in too.. It was a disgusting show of pandering over a bag of human organs that might have been put to better use. But then again they were simpler times......
 
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It was really horrible that her husband was denied his rights in the courts and demonized because he (And every single Doctor on the case) wanted her body to be put to rest with her brain that had long ago perished. Then Jeb Bush and the GOP Congress stepped in too.. It was a disgusting show of pandering over a bag of human organs that might have been put to better use. But then again they were simpler times......

Let us not forget Senator Frist....a surgeon by trade came out and questioned the PVS diagnosis without even examining her. Medical ethicists had a field day with him. Even after autopsy revealed findings consistent with irreversible brain damage and PVS...he doubled down on his beliefs. Imagine that...a doctor watching edited footage thinks he has more insight than actual specialists that have actually examined her in person. It was cruel for him to make such public proclamations and doubly cruel to not back down after autopsy revealed he was clearly wrong. Essentially telling the parents despite autopsy results he believed Schiavo could potentially have made some recovery. Cruel
 
Let us not forget Senator Frist....a surgeon by trade came out and questioned the PVS diagnosis without even examining her. Medical ethicists had a field day with him. Even after autopsy revealed findings consistent with irreversible brain damage and PVS...he doubled down on his beliefs. Imagine that...a doctor watching edited footage thinks he has more insight than actual specialists that have actually examined her in person. It was cruel for him to make such public proclamations and doubly cruel to not back down after autopsy revealed he was clearly wrong. Essentially telling the parents despite autopsy results he believed Schiavo could potentially have made some recovery. Cruel

The reports I saw actually stated the her dead brain tissue was absorbed and jelly took it's place. They kept her alive all those years with just a brain stem and no brain at all. To their credit it was the doctors that finally won out against religious freaks who desperately fought to use modern technology as a tool to deprive the corpse of one of their own from closure or in their religion "heaven" for as long as humanly possible. May she rest in peace. The irony is thick.
 
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The autopsy of Terri Schavio found her brain had turned to jelly. There was nothing left to kill. What was done to her husband was criminal. And the religious right deprived that poor women of heaven for years. God must not have been very happy about that.

I agree with everything except the heaven thing and the god thing (as an atheist ;)). But you are right, the man has been accosted and made out to be a monster for having done the right thing for his wife. And that is not a moral decision to make and all those high moralistic religious types who were making ridiculous comment after ridiculous comment should be very ashamed of themselves for interfering in a purely legal and personal matter.
 
I am more upset with how the fanatics treated her parents. Preying on people looking for hope. How much lower can you go? She died with them totally believing their was legitimate hope.

You mean they willfully and unwisely ignored every single sane voice, judge, doctor, guGiveardian ad litem, specialist until they found a quack who validated their illusions? Sorry, but they and their followers caused Terri and her husband much more anguish and suffering than they confronted with, and they were confronted with it because of their willful disregard of facts and waging war on their daughter and her husband for a decision they had no right to be involved in anymore. She may have been their daughter but she was Michael's husband and was an adult.

You cannot just validate someone's insane ramblings just because they have hope because of that?

The idiots who supported those parents tried to get water to her, while they should have known (from the extensive coverage about it) that she could not SWALLOW! Giving her that water would have caused her to die due to chest infection or drowning of water in her lungs.

This who case has been a constant validation of the insane while the objective and sane arguments were accosted as being fake and just being made so that Michael could kill his wife.
 
The reports I saw actually stated the her dead brain tissue was absorbed and jelly took it's place. They kept her alive all those years with just a brain stem and no brain at all. To their credit it was the doctors that finally won out against religious freaks who desperately fought to use modern technology as a tool to deprive the corpse of one of their own from closure or in their religion "heaven" for as long as humanly possible. May she rest in peace. The irony is thick.
Technical point there was likely dead brain tissue, but she did not meet the criteria for brain death (she could breath on her own)

The silliness gets worse once Schiavo died and the science denying zealots denied actual autopsy results...the zealots lost their poster child and stopped the drum banging. Every single friggen day, people on hospice have their tube feedings stopped - many have it specifically spelled out in living wills and DPOA declarations...but many have a next of kin being their voice when they have forever lost the ability to speak on their own behalf. Every single day this happens. Where is the banging of the drum against stopping feeding that goes on dozens or perhaps hundreds of times a day.

The results of the autopsy should have given the parents some level of comfort knowing that her brain damage was even more significant than thought and that there was no possibility of recovery...but the zealots and politicians denied science and kept telling folks they were right. Screw them. You doubled down on your crap and made her parents believe that Terri had the capacity for pain and suffering.
 
I think there is a trick of language here. If the brain were "dead" (no longer alive), it would begin to putrify and rot, while the other parts of the body remained viable. I did some research here:

https://www.ranker.com/list/how-long-does-it-take-a-body-to-decompose/erin-wisti

To Rickeroo: I think you are confusing decomposing after death with:

The term ‘brain dead’ was created by Harvard butchers in 1968. Their reason was obvious. Calling a medical condition brain dead quickly acquired a precise legal definition insofar as a charge of homicide was avoided when killing someone in a coma. In plain English: A brain dead diagnosis was created as a legal excuse to kill.
 
To Lursa: Check the date of the article I excerpted.


To Flanders:
Yeah, but it's all based on an incident from 6 yrs ago...did you read your own article?

My questions dont change based on date:
This garbage broke the law in many ways. He had no 'govt authority' at all. So what point are you trying to make? Shouldnt he be charged and punished? (It was 6 yrs ago, btw, not new news).

Anything here?
 
To Rickeroo: I think you are confusing decomposing after death with:

I understand Harvard used the term 'death' to lend more weight to the non-functionality of the brain. I think 'death' is too strong a word, since tissue must rot if it's dead.
 
Who Owns Your Body Parts?

Certainly not the southern Baptist Evangelicals.
 
I understand Harvard used the term 'death' to lend more weight to the non-functionality of the brain. I think 'death' is too strong a word, since tissue must rot if it's dead.

I think the term is more to show a concept of non functioning and not coming back.

Many common medical terms use such terminology. For example "blood thinners" is a commonly used term But medications that anticoagulate (for example comadin, heparin, elaquis, etc) use for blood clots and atrial fib do not "thin" the blood. Even though it is commonplace terminology in literature and in patient education materials...those medications do not thin the blood. But the terminology is much more accessible to the lay public.
 
Ending life is slowly evolving from doing nothing to prolong life into taking action that ends life:

Allegations against a Texas abortionist by former employees that he killed infants who survived abortion by “slashing or twisting their necks” are being reviewed by the FBI, says a new report.​

FBI reviewing claims against 'head-twisting' abortionist
Posted By -NO AUTHOR- On 05/21/2018 @ 8:10 pm

FBI reviewing claims against ‘head-twisting’ abortionist

I am curious, this case is similar to Kermit Gosnell, and I cannot think of one pro-life person on this board that did not slam his behavior. And we have discussed Gosnell ad nauseum and there is no support that I can recall. If there is, it would be a distinct exception, and not the rule.
 
To jimbo: Yes it does. Soldiers in combat are forced to make those decisions. Aside from soldiers and the religious prohibition against killing, the law should never give any individual, or profession, the authority to kill.

Without a functioning brain you are already dead and you can't "kill" a dead man. Only let his other organs join his brain in death.
 
I am curious, this case is similar to Kermit Gosnell, and I cannot think of one pro-life person on this board that did not slam his behavior. And we have discussed Gosnell ad nauseum and there is no support that I can recall. If there is, it would be a distinct exception, and not the rule.

Meant to say I do not recall any prochoice individual that supported what Gosnell did. In fact most were pretty vocal against his behavior
 
When Terri's brain was autopsied they found that her dead brain tissue had been absorbed and replaced by jelly. That took years but that is what your body does with dead tissue.

Absolutly. There was just enough tissue left to support breathing, but no higher functions.
 
What gives you the delusion that by bolding the drivel you post it becomes relevant or informed?

Never, never. Not for any reason give any government the authority to decide which infants, and which law-abiding adults, lives or dies. The control freaks that go into government will always choose death over life.
Who has advocated to give this power to government?

When someone is taken off life support —— a nurse, a doctor, a technician, SOMEBODY, must perform the deed;
You mean it is not the tooth fairy?

That person is guilty of premeditated murder.
Ignorant uneducated tripe.

Society’s failure to punish a murderer is the first step on the road to giving the government the authority to murder any group the government deems undesirable.
Bull crap.

By exonerating the person who did the killing, do not the courts endorse the Nazi defense?
Only in the eyes of the low intellect uneducated people.

And of course there is always this: “America is a nation of laws.” What a joke that is.
Why do you hate this country?

How many Americans realize that Socialist priests
Can you even imagine how moronic that is?

All medical decisions must remain in the individual’s hands.
Right so people in coma will make the right decision. I am sure it would be on par with what you would decide.
 
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To Lursa: Check the date of the article I excerpted.


To Flanders:
Yeah, but it's all based on an incident from 6 yrs ago...did you read your own article?

My questions dont change based on date:

This garbage broke the law in many ways. He had no 'govt authority' at all. So what point are you trying to make? Shouldnt he be charged and punished? (It was 6 yrs ago, btw, not new news).

Anything on this yet? Can you explain whatever your point was and support it?
 
Anything on this yet? Can you explain whatever your point was and support it?

To Lursa : Don't expect reasonable responses. He is trolling.
 
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