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POTUS Cannot Be Idicted

But they can throw it all over to Congress to deal with, none of this means Trump is in the clear.
 
"Innocent" behavior, for sure.
 
Mycroft said:
That's been said already. Many times. (not by Mueller, though)
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Yeah you be sure and remember that the president is above the law when a Dem president is in office ok?
 
Rexedgar said:
Rudy Giuliani and Team Trump are giddy over this news.


Giuliani: Trump can't be indicted, Mueller team admits



Nowhere does anyone say that there is nothing to indict the POTUS with.......
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It is just a guideline.
Never been tested in Court. My opinion - The framers of the Constitution would never place a President above the law. Yes there is Impeachment, but that is a pure/corrupted political process. Mueller is not interested in a Constitutional battle.

If, and I stress IF Mueller had evidence that Trump committed crimes, he would not take it to an Indictment, he would leave it to the DOJ, in his report and it goes from there. An Indictment of Trump would create a mess, Constitutionally and politically.

Note that Starr believed he could indict a sitting President. I am of the same opinion.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/22/us/politics/can-president-be-indicted-kenneth-starr-memo.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...-Savage-NYT-FOIA-Starr-memo-presidential.html
 
Praxas said:
Yeah you be sure and remember that the president is above the law when a Dem president is in office ok?
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LOL!!

I'm old enough where I probably won't have to worry about that. It's going to be a decade, at least, before another Dem is President.
 
If he became a big enough threat, rest assured you can bet your bottom dollar he'll be dealt with by various organs of the government. Like Schumer said, the IC have "seven ways from Sunday" of getting back at you if you cross them.
 
Mycroft said:
LOL!!

I'm old enough where I probably won't have to worry about that. It's going to be a decade, at least, before another Dem is President.
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you keep telling yourself that, but when it happens I don't want to hear **** from ANY Trump supporting con about a president being indicted since you think a president is above the law.
 
JANFU said:
It is just a guideline.
Never been tested in Court. My opinion - The framers of the Constitution would never place a President above the law. Yes there is Impeachment, but that is a pure/corrupted political process. Mueller is not interested in a Constitutional battle.

If, and I stress IF Mueller had evidence that Trump committed crimes, he would not take it to an Indictment, he would leave it to the DOJ, in his report and it goes from there. An Indictment of Trump would create a mess, Constitutionally and politically.

Note that Starr believed he could indict a sitting President. I am of the same opinion.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/22/us/politics/can-president-be-indicted-kenneth-starr-memo.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...-Savage-NYT-FOIA-Starr-memo-presidential.html
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The Grand Jury should indict the SOB if there is evidence he participated in a crime. Let this be tested in the Courts and stop all the speculation and settle this once and for all time. It would be a great warning to all future presidents if they knew they could not hide behinds this pretense.
 
Praxas said:
you keep telling yourself that, but when it happens I don't want to hear **** from ANY Trump supporting con about a president being indicted since you think a president is above the law.
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Hold on to that dream. It'll make you feel better.
 
Mycroft said:
Hold on to that dream. It'll make you feel better.
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I will and then will cram this post in your face when you mention anything about criminal activity from a Dem president since you feel the president is above the law.
 
Praxas said:
I will and then will cram this post in your face when you mention anything about criminal activity from a Dem president since you feel the president is above the law.
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I don't think any President is above the law. But it's been established over and over that a sitting President cannot be indicted. Even Mueller says so and you know how he loves to indict people.

Anyway, it seems you think some future Dem President is going to break the law and you don't want me to complain about it. You know...you are probably right. Heck, our last Dem President broke the law...and the Dem President before him broke the law. So yeah...it's extremely like the next Dem President will do the same.
 
Mycroft said:
I don't think any President is above the law. But it's been established over and over that a sitting President cannot be indicted. Even Mueller says so and you know how he loves to indict people.

Anyway, it seems you think some future Dem President is going to break the law and you don't want me to complain about it. You know...you are probably right. Heck, our last Dem President broke the law...and the Dem President before him broke the law. So yeah...it's extremely like the next Dem President will do the same.
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What law did Obama break? Even a Trump DoJ isn't believing that one from you.
 
Rexedgar said:
Rudy Giuliani and Team Trump are giddy over this news.
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Collusion is not a crime and the left knows it. What they're trying to do is ruin his rep so they get the House. It might work. We'll see. A crime would be coordination, cooperation, conspiracy (with a foreign govt). A more obvious frame job, I've never seen. For the sake of party power, and only party power, the left is willing to commit sedition, conspiracy, and treason on a duly elected president. This is the greatest political scandal/crime in American history. Directly involved are the Clintons, Obama, Brennan, Clapper, McCabe, and Comey, as well as many others in this criminal conspiracy. Valerie Jarrett, Loretta Lynch, Sally Yates. And on and on.

Some people better be going to prison for this.
 
Praxas said:
Yeah you be sure and remember that the president is above the law when a Dem president is in office ok?
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Shoot, Dems can just be presidential candidates presumed to win to be above the law.
 
Trinnity said:
Collusion is not a crime and the left knows it. What they're trying to do is ruin his rep so they get the House. It might work. We'll see. A crime would be coordination, cooperation, conspiracy (with a foreign govt). A more obvious frame job, I've never seen. For the sake of party power, and only party power, the left is willing to commit sedition, conspiracy, and treason on a duly elected president. This is the greatest political scandal/crime in American history. Directly involved are the Clintons, Obama, Brennan, Clapper, McCabe, and Comey, as well as many others in this criminal conspiracy. Valerie Jarrett, Loretta Lynch, Sally Yates. And on and on.

Some people better be going to prison for this.
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Or how about Trump actually did collude with the Russians? Investigating a President isn't treason. Especially one as Swampy as Swamp and Swampy Jr.
 
Trinnity said:
Collusion is not a crime and the left knows it. What they're trying to do is ruin his rep so they get the House. It might work. We'll see. A crime would be coordination, cooperation, conspiracy (with a foreign govt). A more obvious frame job, I've never seen. For the sake of party power, and only party power, the left is willing to commit sedition, conspiracy, and treason on a duly elected president. This is the greatest political scandal/crime in American history. Directly involved are the Clintons, Obama, Brennan, Clapper, McCabe, and Comey, as well as many others in this criminal conspiracy. Valerie Jarrett, Loretta Lynch, Sally Yates. And on and on.

Some people better be going to prison for this.
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Obama should be one of them, since he allowed this whole hit job to take place.
 
OrphanSlug said:
But they can throw it all over to Congress to deal with, none of this means Trump is in the clear.
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It seems that would be the proper action, to comply with USC.
 
Avenue A) In 1973 and 2000, the DoJ Office of Legal Counsel ruled that an indictment of a sitting president would be too disruptive for the country. This ruling appears to be binding on the DoJ, although in theory it could be overruled by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein by issuing a new briefing as was done by Leon Jaworski.

Avenue B) If the Special Counsel feels he has bona-fide evidence that Trump broke US law(s), the SC could name Trump as an unindicted co-conspirator. After Trump leaves office, he could then be fully prosecuted as a co-conspirator.
 
Mycroft said:
Obama should be one of them, since he allowed this whole hit job to take place.
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He should. Just because he was president doesn't mean he's immune for committing a crime. Framing an incoming president is more serious than words can even express.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Avenue A) In 1973 and 2000, the DoJ Office of Legal Counsel ruled that an indictment of a sitting president would be too disruptive for the country. This ruling appears to be binding on the DoJ, although in theory it could be overruled by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein by issuing a new briefing as was done by Leon Jaworski.

Avenue B) If the Special Counsel feels he has bona-fide evidence that Trump broke US law(s), the SC could name Trump as an unindicted co-conspirator. After Trump leaves office, he could then be fully prosecuted as a co-conspirator.
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Well done, someone actually grasps the reality of the situation. No sitting President will be indicted but once out if office they are subject the same rules all citizens live with. Doubtful it would happen and I am sure a pardon would be applied if it did, but can never be sure circumstances can change quickly these days.
 
Praxas said:
Yeah you be sure and remember that the president is above the law when a Dem president is in office ok?
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You were nowhere when Obama signed a millions EO's doing whatever he wanted. Trump has had to spend too much time undoing all that bull****. If Obama had gotten laws passed, like he was supposed to, he'd have a legacy.
 
Trinnity said:
Collusion is not a crime and the left knows it. What they're trying to do is ruin his rep so they get the House. It might work. We'll see. A crime would be coordination, cooperation, conspiracy (with a foreign govt). A more obvious frame job, I've never seen. For the sake of party power, and only party power, the left is willing to commit sedition, conspiracy, and treason on a duly elected president. This is the greatest political scandal/crime in American history. Directly involved are the Clintons, Obama, Brennan, Clapper, McCabe, and Comey, as well as many others in this criminal conspiracy. Valerie Jarrett, Loretta Lynch, Sally Yates. And on and on.

Some people better be going to prison for this.
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haha, well you sure look like you didn't do your homework ............. I would go further but you're not worth points ..........

923. 18 U.S.C. § 371—Conspiracy to Defraud the United States

https://www.justice.gov/usam/criminal-resource-manual-923-18-usc-371-conspiracy-defraud-us
 
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