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Legal Discrimination against Trump supporters

You can discriminate against white people on scholarships for school

False, you can limit scholarships to white people based on population percentages, but you cannot flat out discriminate.
 
I remember that lady (Juli Briskman, 50) riding a bicycle in Washington was fired for giving Trumps motorcade the "salute".

The woman has filed a wrongful termination suit against her employer (Akima LLC) who said (1) she violated the company social media policy and (2) they feared Trump administration retribution.

In this particular instance, her employer was a government contractor, and as I understand it there are special rules preventing political discrimination in this case.
 
http://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...a-bar-was-allowed-to-kick-out-trump-supporter

I am a bit surprised by this. Seems like it might be going too far. I could maybe see how the Bar would be within it's right to ask the man to take off his hat, but it seems like you'd have to argue that the hat could be considered disparaging to others. I mean obviously the hat is, but I'm not sure a court of law could or should rule that way at present time. If it was a hat with a swastika on it, that would be obvious, and in the future I expect this slogan to be considered a symbol of hate right up there with the swastika, but right now it's just the slogan of the current president.

Either way, I don't think the bar should have been able to kick the guy out or refuse service entirely so long as he was willing to remove the hat while inside. The article didn't say anything about that.

Would the bar have to have a general policy against any political apparel or could it selectively choose a side?

Ill post the same thing here i posted in the other thread:

A business can refuse service to anybody for any reason as long as its within the law and not a rights violation.
A really basic and common sense issue :shrug:

now with that said, im not familiar with the laws, ordinances or governing rules of that state, county or municipality. Some places do list political affiliation with thier PA and anti-discrimination laws. But since the judge ruled how he did and this guys case was based on "claiming the incident offended his sense of being American.” (which was bound to completely fail) i'm guessing this isnt one of those places.

A better case would be to refer to areas and rulings that have protected political affiliation in the past and use that, not this. This (the trail tactic) was completely stupid and guaranteed to fail.

Again A business can refuse service to anybody for any reason as long as its within the law and not a rights violation.
 
So could you be fired from your job if your boss saw that you had a Hillary 2016 bumper sticker on your car in the parking lot?

again it varies but i believe employment is more protected thant service when it comes to political affiliation. The laws and rights of this area (unless trumped by federal law) are what rule. Just like employment. I know every place i ever worked political affiliation was protected but again that was employment protection not PA.
 
His life philosophy didn't make it that far. He just likes simple absolutes he can fit in one sentence. What a nightmare country we'd be living in if it was as he wants.

Kinda like your post #5
 
http://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...a-bar-was-allowed-to-kick-out-trump-supporter

I am a bit surprised by this. Seems like it might be going too far. I could maybe see how the Bar would be within it's right to ask the man to take off his hat, but it seems like you'd have to argue that the hat could be considered disparaging to others. I mean obviously the hat is, but I'm not sure a court of law could or should rule that way at present time. If it was a hat with a swastika on it, that would be obvious, and in the future I expect this slogan to be considered a symbol of hate right up there with the swastika, but right now it's just the slogan of the current president.

Either way, I don't think the bar should have been able to kick the guy out or refuse service entirely so long as he was willing to remove the hat while inside. The article didn't say anything about that.

Would the bar have to have a general policy against any political apparel or could it selectively choose a side?

As stupid as it is to refuse service to someone based on their liking/not liking of X party or party member I see no problem with this ruling. :shrug: Right to Association.
 
When you run a business that is open to the "public" it includes the whole public. If you want to freely associate go home.

Thats factually not the way that works :shrug:
 
When you run a business that is open to the "public" it includes the whole public. If you want to freely associate go home.

Being in the public does not mean that you HAVE to cater to everyone. That's just not how it works.
 
I hate to burst your bubble, but it is highly unlikely you'd even be able to find a job in the United States or a Supermarket to buy groceries at if these laws against discrimination didn't exist in this country.

Perhaps you are right, but I sincerely doubt the only thing allowing me to find employment have been anti-discrimination laws. I do not believe that vast majority Americans are so hateful towards people such as myself that the only thing keeping them from discriminating against me is the law commanding their virtue.

You do realize that if conservatives had their way there would be no such thing as a public hospital right?

I am not so sure that is the case that such a blanket statement could be made. Perhaps you are right about some of the more anarcho-capitalist conservatives who believe that the free market is the solution to every conceivable social problem. But I find that most conservatives I find are perfectly happy with publicly-funded or subsidized services, but they prefer them funded by the taxpayers who immediately stand to benefit and under local government control rather than the control of distant and less-accountable State governments or the Federal government.

Who built the roads that carry patients to these privately owned hospitals? Who runs the ambulance services that deliver patients to these hospitals? Who runs the police departments and fire departments that would save these hospitals if they were under attack by terrorists or just generally on fire? Who are even the patients of these hospitals? Aren't they members of the public?

There is no such thing as a privately owned business that is not in some way shape or form supported by the public.

When I say "public agencies" or "public businesses" I do not mean simply serving members of the public (which is technically anyone and everyone). I am referring to a business directly subsidized or funded by public monies, i.e., taxes collected by the government, rather than through private voluntary exchanges for goods and services.

Here's a good question for you... If you own a business that discriminates against black people, atheists, Arabs, gays, can we require you to put a sign outside of your business alerting the public that the owner is a bigot? As a white male, I know that these businesses would serve me, but I don't want to give them my business to punish them for their intolerance. Should I be allowed to know that?

No. I do not believe the government should be allowed to force businesses to put up sign saying that they discriminate. However, I believe that you should be allowed to put up signs saying that any particular business is discriminatory or owned by a discriminatory bigot (as long as those allegations are true and one is not falsely engaging in slander against someone). For hypothetical example, if you know of a coffee shop called "Good Ol' Times Coffee" discriminates against black people, and you own a coffee shop that doesn't, you should be allowed to advertise "Unlike Good Ol' Times, Everyone's Welcome here at our shop!"

But private businesses which are owned almost exclusively by white Christian men, particularly in many rural areas, should have that degree of power?

No. While they should be free to serve or not serve whomever they choose, and if they believe it is a good business strategy to refuse service to large swathes of the American public that is their business. However, I believe that there have been and will be White Christian Men who are happy to accept money from people who do not share their identity. But I must ask, do you believe that the only reason businesses owned by white Christian men do not crush and ruin the lives of those people who do not share their identity is the force of law? That, if there were no anti-discrimination laws, that suddenly either all or the vast majority White Heterosexual Christian Men-owned businesses would refuse serve anyone besides White Straight Christians? Because, if that is your belief, understand that I do not share your low opinion of my fellow countrymen and women.
 
I do not believe that vast majority Americans are so hateful towards people such as myself that the only thing keeping them from discriminating against me is the law commanding their virtue.
First, you make it sound like they have to be super hateful. All discrimination takes is a preference.

Second, it doesn't take a majority to hurt you. Imagine there are 3 companies in your area currently hiring for a position like yours, and there are 2 white men that are searching for the same job. If just 1 will absolutely not hire you because of your race or religion. Because you're competing from one of only two open positions available to you, and the white men have three options available to them, they have more room for error. They can command higher salaries, and you might have to be willing to take a pay cut just to make sure you get one of the two that will hire you.

Now, fast forward three years, and you're looking around for another position. Maybe there are four companies hiring this time, and none of them will discriminate, but they ask how much you made at your last job as part of the interview process. Now suddenly you stating your previous salary as lower than some other white candidates makes you look like you're less qualified.

I am not so sure that is the case that such a blanket statement could be made. Perhaps you are right about some of the more anarcho-capitalist conservatives who believe that the free market is the solution to every conceivable social problem. But I find that most conservatives I find are perfectly happy with publicly-funded or subsidized services, but they prefer them funded by the taxpayers who immediately stand to benefit and under local government control rather than the control of distant and less-accountable State governments or the Federal government.
No, that's just their bull**** excuse to get the federal government out of the way so that they can then say **** it, and not have a public hospital at all. Or potentially even worse. Part of the reason why we have a federal government is that our founding fathers were concerned about "factions." Meaning they knew it would be much easier for a group of single-minded radicals to obtain control over an individual state than it would be for them to get control of the whole country. Think about Mormons in Utah or the Quakers in early Pennsylvania.

The KKK, Neo-Nazis, and general white supremacists aren't a massive group of people, but if they all decided to move to the same state(or as is currently the case, the Republican party) they would be capable of controlling it and implementing their horribly racist policies there driving anybody they don't like out. They could ensure that the public hospitals in their city or state would not save Atheists and Arabs even if individual doctors wanted to. Or an even more likely scenario, they would take over control of local public schools and teach alternate versions of history, biology, and earth science to brainwash children into their hateful ideology making it impossible for you to send your children there.

This is already a problem in many parts of the south. White Supremacists have a ton of power within the Republican party in states like Alabama and Mississippi. The majority of the state might not support white supremacy, but 51% still vote Republican every time because of guns, god, and tax cuts. This gives white supremacy huge influence in these local governments which is why the federal government is necessary to protect your right.

Unfortunately now this has spread to the federal government as well. I don't want to alarm you, but I encourage you to realize how close the current administration may be to war with Iran. If something like that happens don't think for one second that your fellow conservatives won't be open to the idea of internment camps for Iranian Americans(or frankly any Arab American) just like they had for the Japanese during WWII. I assure you, it's not as far-fetched as some might think.


When I say "public agencies" or "public businesses" I do not mean simply serving members of the public (which is technically anyone and everyone). I am referring to a business directly subsidized or funded by public monies, i.e., taxes collected by the government, rather than through private voluntary exchanges for goods and services.
Yes, I understand that, but whether you have private voluntary customers or not, the roads that those customers use to get to that business and the infrastructure they use to ship their goods, and the police that drove past their storefront every night to ward off criminals are all paid for using tax dollars.
 
For hypothetical example, if you know of a coffee shop called "Good Ol' Times Coffee" discriminates against black people, and you own a coffee shop that doesn't, you should be allowed to advertise "Unlike Good Ol' Times, Everyone's Welcome here at our shop!"
Okay, now let's try imagining that in reverse. Let's pretend that shortly after a Muslim Terrorist attack Good Ol' Times Coffee puts out an advertisement saying, "unlike those other coffee shops in town we refuse service to all Muslims and Arabs."

With about 95% of your town not being Arab and everyone freaking out about Arabs, that advertisement would likely draw a ton of business in favor of Good Ol' Times. The three other coffee shops in town including mine would now be required to split the other 25-30% of customers that are still willing to shop at ours, and it's a good bet that I'd go out of business if I didn't also put up a sign that says we reject Muslims and Arabs. If given the choice to appeal to 75% of the population or 25% most businesses will choose the 75%. Maybe one niche coffee shop remains open for Arabs, but now that shop gets a reputation as the Arab coffee shop and quickly becomes the target of violence from White Christian extremists just like many Mosques do.

I believe that there have been and will be White Christian Men who are happy to accept money from people who do not share their identity. I do not share your low opinion of my fellow countrymen and women.

I encourage you to research the concept of a Nash Equilibrium. Sometimes good people who are in competition with each other can get forced into doing some bad things they don't always want to do because it's realistically their only alternative. There are many places where ignorance still rains, and legalized discrimination can and does lead to a consolidation of people with shared ideologies into certain areas which can then become hotbeds.

Even with these laws in place a quick look around the country or any major city will show how Latino, African American, Arab American, Homosexual, and Asian American communities sometimes have no choice, but to congregate with each other. They are then attacked by whites for not "integrating" into our culture when in reality it is generally white racists that make them feel uncomfortable doing so. The lack of integration is then used to justify accusations of an invasion by outsiders, and the poor quality of these communities which are usually poor due to lack of opportunities comes full circle to be used as justification for further racism.

In my home state of Minnesota which is generally very liberal and open-minded, I often hear friends who would otherwise not be racist at all complaint about all the Somalians that have moved to the city. They all congregate in one or two neighborhoods. Suddenly businesses in the area have trouble getting outside customers. Even a loss of 20% or so can do real damage. As some businesses fail, the neighborhoods get worse and worse and the problem snowballs.

I assure you the problems with legalized discrimination can escalate very quickly and cause far more damage than you realize. As divided as this country already is with the South going so far right, and the Coasts going so heavily blue the last thing we want is overt political discrimination.
 
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