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Mr Zuckerberg goes to Washington

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From The Economist: Mr Zuckerberg goes to Washington

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If Facebook will not fix itself, will Congress?
“THEY ‘trust me’…dumb ****s,” Mark Zuckerberg, the boss of Facebook, wrote in an instant message to a friend in 2004, after boasting that he had personal data, including photos, e-mails and addresses, of some 4,000 of his social network’s users. He offered to share whatever information his friend wanted to see.

Mr Zuckerberg may use less profane language today, but many feel he has not yet outgrown his wilful disregard for users’ privacy. On April 11th he testified before testy politicians in Washington about the firm’s latest privacy controversy, first to a joint hearing of two Senate committees that lasted around four hours, and then again on April 12th to a House of Representatives committee. Not since the 1990s, when Microsoft was taken to task for its monopolistic behaviour, has there been such “intense public scrutiny” of a technology firm in Washington, as Orrin Hatch, a Republican senator, informed Mr Zuckerberg.


Some of his inquisitors appeared annoyed by Mr Zuckerberg’s rehearsed responses, but that did not stop many onlookers from being chuffed by his smooth, albeit robotic, performance. Facebook’s share price closed nearly 5% higher after his first day of testimony. Investors may be betting that the worst of “Facegate” could be over, but it is too soon to count on it.

The immediate scandal is the most acute and far-reaching crisis in Facebook’s 14-year history. Last month it was revealed by Britain’s Observer and the New York Times that a researcher from Cambridge University, Aleksandr Kogan, had obtained information about some 300,000 Facebook users by encouraging them to download an app and take a survey in 2012. He then shared these data with Cambridge Analytica, a political consultancy, which reportedly made them available to others, including Donald Trump’s campaign. Some 87m Facebook users are affected, because Facebook’s policies at the time were so loose that people using a third-party’s app often shared details not only about themselves but also about their friends without their knowledge. Facebook changed its policies in 2014.

These revelations are especially damning because Facebook first learned about this problem in 2015 and did little to address it. In fact, instead of focusing on Cambridge Analytica’s bad behaviour, Facebook threatened to sue the Guardian Media Group, which owns the Observer, if it published the exposé. Only after a media backlash and public outcry did Facebook start to take action. It has started making it easier for users to control their privacy settings, reduced the amount of data that are shared with third parties, and promised to audit suspicious third-party apps. But these are things that many users wrongly believed Facebook had long been doing anyway.


Zuckerberg ain't out of the hot-water. Not until he's learned "humility".

That's going to be a long haul for him ...
 
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Zuckerberg made congress look like uneducated fools in regards to technology.

Yeah, many of them obviously didn't know what Facebook is or how it works.
 
It's a recipe for success.

"dumb ****s" for a consumer base
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a congress that has no idea how the technology or business model works.

Win.
 
Zuckerberg made congress look like uneducated fools in regards to technology.

Pretty sure he took it, no lube

Here’s one of the more memorable ones

Mr. Zuckerberg, would you be comfortable sharing with us the name of the hotel you stayed in last night?

Zuckerberg: Uhh... no.

If you messaged anyone this week, would you share with us the names of the people you've messaged?

Zuckerberg: Senator, no, I would probably choose not to do that.

I think that may be what this is all about. Your right to privacy, the limits of your right to privacy, and how much you'd give away, in modern America, in the name of "connecting people around the world."

And some senators decided to drop the pretense of civility

Here's what everyone's been trying to tell you today — and I say it gently — your user agreement sucks

He got it from both sides of the aisle
 
Pretty sure he took it, no lube

Here’s one of the more memorable ones



And some senators decided to drop the pretense of civility



He got it from both sides of the aisle

Not really and this is why you and congress are looking like fools because they don’t understand how Facebook works. It is voluntary what you post. You don’t have to post your location, you don’t have to post what you are doing, it is all voluntary. Zuckerberg didn’t share because that is his choice just like you aren’t forced to post on Facebook.
 
Not really and this is why you and congress are looking like fools because they don’t understand how Facebook works. It is voluntary what you post. You don’t have to post your location, you don’t have to post what you are doing, it is all voluntary. Zuckerberg didn’t share because that is his choice just like you aren’t forced to post on Facebook.

You are looking like a fool because you don’t have a clue what this is about. Literally not one person has ever said that posting is anything but voluntary. Maybe you should do some research before you try to post again or you’ll just come up looking silly again
 
You are looking like a fool because you don’t have a clue what this is about. Literally not one person has ever said that posting is anything but voluntary. Maybe you should do some research before you try to post again or you’ll just come up looking silly again

They looked like fools because they asked why Zuckerberg wasn’t sharing where he was staying etc. since the posts you do in Facebook are voluntary, so are your locations etc. don’t like it don’t post there. Yes congress and you look like fools since you don’t understand how Facebook works.
 
You are looking like a fool because you don’t have a clue what this is about. Literally not one person has ever said that posting is anything but voluntary. Maybe you should do some research before you try to post again or you’ll just come up looking silly again

What this is really about are imbecile consumers who volunteer their private data to random apps and websites because they want to know what they’d look like as a hippopotamus. This is about Congress exploring new industry regulations to protect consumers from their own stupidity.
 
Zuckerberg made congress look like uneducated fools in regards to technology.

But, he wasn't talking to "Congress". He was talking to the Senate.

Now he's talking to the HofR, and we shall see how they treat him. It aint gonna be a cake-walk.

It was patently obvious that Zuckerberg new EXACTLY what Cambridge Analytica was doing. How could he not know? It was common knowledge that multi-billionaire Replicant-donor Robert Mercer had funded the creation of Cambridge Analytica and he had put personal-friend Jeff Sessions in charge of the company!

But, at the time, Zuckerberg may have wanted to avoid any reference that HIS COMPANY was at fault - because he knew full well what had happened and FB's part in not preventing the release of personal information without permission of the owner-person.

He probably figured that FB was simply meeting a need of advertisers aiding them to more profitably target their adverts. And he could not have given a damn about the personal nature of the information being divulged.

It is patently obvious that Zuckerberg is legally at fault for what happened. That he wants to remain "head of the company" is obvious. But should he remain head and principal owner?

Zat iz ze multi-billion dolla kwestchun ...
 
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He got it from both sides of the aisle

It's about time.

This guy has spent far too long "on the inside looking out".

It's time that should be reversed. Financially, FB divulging personal information has been the biggest "societal wrong" committed in this country in decades (if ever). It touches each individual who was foolish enough to use the FB-mechanism*.

He should be on the outside looking in. And that is what bothers him the most.

"His baby" taken away from him ...

PS: If this "lesson" is not given/made today, just when/where/how will it be made on a technology ("the Net") that has become an integral part of our lives? We can live without it, but we then drive the country back a century in history ...

*Where does Facebook come from? Amongst other usages originally (in the last century)it was - in a club - to put together an album of photos of the members with a brief description of who they were. VERY BRIEF DESCRIPTION.
 
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What this is really about are imbecile consumers who volunteer their private data to random apps and websites because they want to know what they’d look like as a hippopotamus. This is about Congress exploring new industry regulations to protect consumers from their own stupidity.

Yours is the problem here.

It’s not that people gave FB the data it’s how unethically FB used it. They sold the data off to 3rd parties who then broke the user agreements about the data and FB did absolutely nothing to hold them accountable instead they grew the data gathering and sold to even less reputable people.
 
They looked like fools because they asked why Zuckerberg wasn’t sharing where he was staying etc. since the posts you do in Facebook are voluntary, so are your locations etc. don’t like it don’t post there. Yes congress and you look like fools since you don’t understand how Facebook works.

No you don’t understand how Facebook works. Literally no one has ever claimed that all that data wasn’t given to Facebook voluntarily. I’m not sure why you keep bringing that up that has absolutely nothing to do with why Zuckerberg is in front of congress
 
No you don’t understand how Facebook works. Literally no one has ever claimed that all that data wasn’t given to Facebook voluntarily. I’m not sure why you keep bringing that up that has absolutely nothing to do with why Zuckerberg is in front of congress

Sure it does. The senator asked if Zuckerberg wanted others to know where he was staying at. He said no. That isn't the same thing as what Facebook does though. Just like Zuckerberg doesn't post where he is at, the same thing can be done with others.

It's ok, I'll continue to laugh at folks like you who have no clue about Facebook. Zuckerberg is laughing all the way to the bank because congress looked like fools and they aren't going to do **** about it. Have fun stomping your feet and yelling at people to get off your lawn. :lamo
 
Sure it does. The senator asked if Zuckerberg wanted others to know where he was staying at. He said no. That isn't the same thing as what Facebook does though. Just like Zuckerberg doesn't post where he is at, the same thing can be done with others.

It's ok, I'll continue to laugh at folks like you who have no clue about Facebook. Zuckerberg is laughing all the way to the bank because congress looked like fools and they aren't going to do **** about it. Have fun stomping your feet and yelling at people to get off your lawn. :lamo

Other than the fact that I’ve had a Facebook account far longer than you. You still don’t have a clue what this is about despite the fact I spelled it out very clearly in post #12
 
Yours is the problem here.

It’s not that people gave FB the data it’s how unethically FB used it. They sold the data off to 3rd parties who then broke the user agreements about the data and FB did absolutely nothing to hold them accountable instead they grew the data gathering and sold to even less reputable people.

That isn’t what happened and that’s not what Facebook does. They don’t sell the data. What they do sell is their own knowledge of user data to create targeted ads for advertisers. So if you have a product you want to market to 30 year old soccer moms in Indianapolis you contract Facebook to leverage its knowledge of user data to drop ads in their feeds.

What happened was they provided this service to a university researcher who marketed a personality test to the targeted demographic. Some of those users took the bait and downloaded an app created by the researcher which included a scrapping tool to harvest private data from and through participants based on their consent to allow the app to access their friend lists. He then sold all of that data to Cambridge Analytica. The reality is that Facebook has no control over what third parties do with the data it’s users consent to provide said third parties.
 
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This is about Congress exploring new industry regulations to protect consumers from their own stupidity.

Look, I refused to indulge in FB because I have known how the Internet works since Day1. And by that I mean 1988 when I met one of the key architects of the Web. Believe me, at that time, we did not have the slightest notion of what a worldwide network connecting home-computers could or would do.

No one did, because originally the Web was intended to link "scientific research entities" between Europe and the US.

Today, we are beginning to understand how (by means of the technical shenanigans of a Cambridge Analytica) a political-party was able to influence elections because of user personal-information purloined from FB.

Let's remember two things about what has happened:
*Facebook knew very well that personal-information would help advertisers "aim better" at their selected markets.
*This was essential to FB selling its services to them! Afterall, who pays for FB if not those who advertise on FB?

What FB did not expect is that some very dark-minds would think that that the Internet could help them win elections. IF they had a means for accessing people with "their kind of political arguments" that influence public-opinion just before an election.

Read the history of Cambridge Analytica here from Wikipedia - it is all public-knowledge and no big secret. Not now, but during the election-period two years ago all was different.

Some people including a certain multi-millionaire called Robert Mercer who were funding the Replicant Party decided to employ Cambridge Analytica in order to "force-feed" the American public with arguments that favored the election of Donald Dork. Who was selected to run, then, Cambridge Analytica?

The head of Cambridge Analytica was none other than Jeff Sessions (a good friend of Mercer), who is now America's Attorney General.

Smell the political rot? No, not yet?

Then you HAVE a problem understanding political malpractice ... !

PS: As it now turns out, the UK is also interested in the influence that Cambridge Analytica may have had in the British referendum to leave the European Union.
 
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And another thought for thinkers: See what too much money does to some people? They think they can run-the-world ...
 
Look, I refused to indulge in FB because I have known how the Internet works since Day1. And by that I mean 1988 when I met one of the key architects of the Web.

Al Gore?
 
Pretty sure he took it, no lube

Here’s one of the more memorable ones



And some senators decided to drop the pretense of civility



He got it from both sides of the aisle

To be fair, all user agreements, suck. That's why no one reads them. Including the congress people saying the stuff their millennial staff writers told them
 
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