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Just or Unjust?

Peter King

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In other words, is the level of violence seen in this and maybe other videos appropriate based on what we can see in the video? And yes, people commit this and way worse crimes among each other and they commit similar or much worse crimes to police officers, ambulance workers, traffic wardens and firefighters, but that is almost always reprehensible and much more often punished accordingly.

Case one, the officer involved incident with Lateef Dickerson



Now to be fair, a grand jury in 2014 decided not to file charges against the officer. But what do we think.

The incident happened after a fight nearby, when the police arrived the suspects fled to scene. Then this team of officers and others went out and searched for people they thought might have been involved in the fight outside a gas station. This man was unknown whether or not he had been involved when the officers ran/drove up to him and ordered him to get on the ****ing ground.

The kick according to news media broke the man's jaws and knocked him briefly unconscious. The kicked man, Lateef Dickerson was arrested for assault, grand theft and resisting arrest, charges that all since then have been dropped.

So what say you one, what say you all? Just or unjust?
 
Just or unjust?

A 15 year old youth goes and commits burglary and theft. He does this with several other youths.

Then the police confronts the group of youths and a friend of that youth, who according to the police was brandishing a gun, was shot 4 times and killed.

Now at 15, he was charged as an adult and he got 65 years. Now part of the crime I can understand, 15 years for burglary (even though that is a ridiculously long sentence for a 15 year old) plus 10 years each for 2 theft convictions to be served consecutively. But he was also found guilty for murder, the murder of his friend and got 30 years for that.

So now a young man, 18 at time of conviction, gets 65 years for burglary and seeing his friend shot by the police? Because the prosecution prosecuted him under the accomplice liability law, but isn't that used when several criminals during the course of a crime kill someone they are robbing or burgling but he is getting convicted for his accomplice being shot dead by the police? How is that 30 years for murder?

Sure, punish the kid for the crimes that he committed but this reeks of injustice and not justice.
 
In other words, is the level of violence seen in this and maybe other videos appropriate based on what we can see in the video? And yes, people commit this and way worse crimes among each other and they commit similar or much worse crimes to police officers, ambulance workers, traffic wardens and firefighters, but that is almost always reprehensible and much more often punished accordingly.

Case one, the officer involved incident with Lateef Dickerson


Now to be fair, a grand jury in 2014 decided not to file charges against the officer. But what do we think.

The incident happened after a fight nearby, when the police arrived the suspects fled to scene. Then this team of officers and others went out and searched for people they thought might have been involved in the fight outside a gas station. This man was unknown whether or not he had been involved when the officers ran/drove up to him and ordered him to get on the ****ing ground.

The kick according to news media broke the man's jaws and knocked him briefly unconscious. The kicked man, Lateef Dickerson was arrested for assault, grand theft and resisting arrest, charges that all since then have been dropped.

So what say you one, what say you all? Just or unjust?

The kick was completely wrong and uncalled for. The officer should lose his job and never work in law enforcement again.
 
Just or unjust?

A 15 year old youth goes and commits burglary and theft. He does this with several other youths.

Then the police confronts the group of youths and a friend of that youth, who according to the police was brandishing a gun, was shot 4 times and killed.

Now at 15, he was charged as an adult and he got 65 years. Now part of the crime I can understand, 15 years for burglary (even though that is a ridiculously long sentence for a 15 year old) plus 10 years each for 2 theft convictions to be served consecutively. But he was also found guilty for murder, the murder of his friend and got 30 years for that.

So now a young man, 18 at time of conviction, gets 65 years for burglary and seeing his friend shot by the police? Because the prosecution prosecuted him under the accomplice liability law, but isn't that used when several criminals during the course of a crime kill someone they are robbing or burgling but he is getting convicted for his accomplice being shot dead by the police? How is that 30 years for murder?

Sure, punish the kid for the crimes that he committed but this reeks of injustice and not justice.

This one sounds fair -- many states have laws that charge everyone who is involved in a felony with murder -- if someone dies during the commission of that felony. I don't have a problem with this one. Besides, the kid will be up for parole in 20-25 years.
 
In other words, is the level of violence seen in this and maybe other videos appropriate based on what we can see in the video? And yes, people commit this and way worse crimes among each other and they commit similar or much worse crimes to police officers, ambulance workers, traffic wardens and firefighters, but that is almost always reprehensible and much more often punished accordingly.
On the face of it the kick was totally inappropriate, unnecessary and potentially fatal so I'm disappointed the officer wasn't charged as such.

It's interesting that you mention other examples of violence though. This kind of this will so often be brought up to talk about the evil, violent police but maybe there needs to b a recognition that police officers are just normal people doing a job and they'll generally only reflect the level or aggression and violence in society in general. You're not going to fit the police in isolation.
 
This one sounds fair -- many states have laws that charge everyone who is involved in a felony with murder -- if someone dies during the commission of that felony. I don't have a problem with this one. Besides, the kid will be up for parole in 20-25 years.

But that usually is not used when the death is at the hands of the police? I would assume.
 
HOw the hell do these assholes get away with that. THe guy was on the ground and was getting down. What a complete ***** kicking him.
 
I think the kick to the face was overboard, the suspect appeared to be following orders.
 
Just or unjust?

A 15 year old youth goes and commits burglary and theft. He does this with several other youths.

Then the police confronts the group of youths and a friend of that youth, who according to the police was brandishing a gun, was shot 4 times and killed.

Now at 15, he was charged as an adult and he got 65 years. Now part of the crime I can understand, 15 years for burglary (even though that is a ridiculously long sentence for a 15 year old) plus 10 years each for 2 theft convictions to be served consecutively. But he was also found guilty for murder, the murder of his friend and got 30 years for that.

So now a young man, 18 at time of conviction, gets 65 years for burglary and seeing his friend shot by the police? Because the prosecution prosecuted him under the accomplice liability law, but isn't that used when several criminals during the course of a crime kill someone they are robbing or burgling but he is getting convicted for his accomplice being shot dead by the police? How is that 30 years for murder?

Sure, punish the kid for the crimes that he committed but this reeks of injustice and not justice.

The cop kicking the guy was just wrong!!

As far as the kid:
Is this the kid that was offered a plea deal for 25 years and turned it down? If so, he had his chance, he chose to fight it, I would say his lawyer may have let him down..
Did the youth(carrying the gun) shoot at the cops first. That tells me there was a willingness to use the guy during the crime as well.

djl
 
When did the police commit the crime(s) that led to the fatality?

The police did not commit a crime that led to a fatality, they rightfully shot him according to the reviews of the shooting. So it was never a murder to begin with IMHO.
 
The police did not commit a crime that led to a fatality, they rightfully shot him according to the reviews of the shooting. So it was never a murder to begin with IMHO.

Someone died because of an illegal act. An illegal act perpetrated by the dead guy and his buddies.
 
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