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    Re: What is the legitimate role of police?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    This thread (Who in government is responsible for the safety of you and your loved ones?) prompted my question here, but rather than sidetrack that thread I am choosing to start a new thread. Part of the other person's point was this...

    So... What is the legitimate role of police?

    Is it to protect citizens? Is it to enforce laws? Is it both?

    If they're not here to protect, why do we even have them? We could have a clean-up crew to take care of the carnage for a lot less money. Or maybe their role is to investigate crimes afterward, but if that's the case why are they out in force on a daily basis patrolling? Shouldn't they stay in the office until a crime happens?

    If they are to enforce laws, but not protect, how do you separate the two? If a criminal is trying to kill someone, you have no obligation to protect the victim, but you do have an obligation to enforce the law, and battery/murder is illegal. How do you reconcile the two?

    Just asking. We seem to have "progressed" to a disconnect.
    The police were originaly suppossed to help keep the peace, hence why they are called peace officers, as that was their original and primary duty. You see the remnets of that with the names of the various affiliated organizations involved with police. With the advent of the Pinkertons and police departments that were NOT elected and further the restrictions of who could run for elected sheriff, the idea of the enforcement of law came to fore and the idea of keeping the peace took a back seat.
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    Re: What is the legitimate role of police?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Is it to protect citizens? Is it to enforce laws? Is it both?
    You can't really force heroism on someone. Even if you're paying someone to do a certain job nobody can have any real idea how that person is going to react when they actually find themselves in that situation. Police are taught to protect themselves and be safe first and foremost. Their job is to deter crime, and capture criminals, but they are not bodyguards. They are not secret service agents who are sworn to take a bullet for you or any other member of society. They have families of their own after all, and the life of any random individual citizen is not more important than their own. That being said their training and experience should allow them to effectively neutralize a violent bad guy, but each officer is different, and are still taught to not to any more than they can safely handle on their own.

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    Re: What is the legitimate role of police?

    Police are money grabbing agents... by arresting innocent people and people that committed non-violent crimes and incarcerating them in a money generating system that oppresses minorities. Illegal searches. Seizure of property. Etc.

    ...and when they feel scared by pretty much anything they are legally allowed to shoot and kill innocent citizens of the United States.
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    Re: What is the legitimate role of police?

    Police exist to ensure the state keeps a monopoly on violence, and to ensure the interests of those most relevant to the state are protected.
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    Re: What is the legitimate role of police?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    This thread (Who in government is responsible for the safety of you and your loved ones?) prompted my question here, but rather than sidetrack that thread I am choosing to start a new thread. Part of the other person's point was this...

    So... What is the legitimate role of police?

    Is it to protect citizens? Is it to enforce laws? Is it both?

    If they're not here to protect, why do we even have them? We could have a clean-up crew to take care of the carnage for a lot less money. Or maybe their role is to investigate crimes afterward, but if that's the case why are they out in force on a daily basis patrolling? Shouldn't they stay in the office until a crime happens?

    If they are to enforce laws, but not protect, how do you separate the two? If a criminal is trying to kill someone, you have no obligation to protect the victim, but you do have an obligation to enforce the law, and battery/murder is illegal. How do you reconcile the two?

    Just asking. We seem to have "progressed" to a disconnect.
    Legitimacy, like beauty, is a very subjective term and thus is in the eyes of the beholder. Police action that may seem legitimate to a greedy mining baron (beating the crap out of strikers to break an industrial action) may seem profoundly illegitimate to an urban shop-owner preoccupied with effective community policing and maintaining civil tranquility. What informs the views of pipeline companies' directors and managers about legitimate police action while they are trying to complete their projects is not what informs environmentalists and water-protectors who oppose such constructions about police action legitimacy. What preoccupies persons concerned with national security may seem illegitimate to those preoccupied with defending liberties and constitutinal rights. Relativism plays too large a role in this issue to arrive at a pan-societal definition of which police actions are legitimate and which are not in a comprehensive way.

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    Re: What is the legitimate role of police?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    This thread (Who in government is responsible for the safety of you and your loved ones?) prompted my question here, but rather than sidetrack that thread I am choosing to start a new thread. Part of the other person's point was this...

    So... What is the legitimate role of police?

    Is it to protect citizens? Is it to enforce laws? Is it both?

    If they're not here to protect, why do we even have them? We could have a clean-up crew to take care of the carnage for a lot less money. Or maybe their role is to investigate crimes afterward, but if that's the case why are they out in force on a daily basis patrolling? Shouldn't they stay in the office until a crime happens?

    If they are to enforce laws, but not protect, how do you separate the two? If a criminal is trying to kill someone, you have no obligation to protect the victim, but you do have an obligation to enforce the law, and battery/murder is illegal. How do you reconcile the two?

    Just asking. We seem to have "progressed" to a disconnect.
    The courts have already dispensed with this, like it or not.

    The police carry guns to protect "their" lives not "your life"

    They are under no obligation to put themselves in danger to protect you or your children.

    A few of the tougher ones who actually want to will actually take down criminals but most of the time they investigate crimes, make reports, and write citations.

    There is a reason you cannot face discipline for cowardice as young people serving in the Military do; the civil service union would never allow this for police officers.

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    Re: What is the legitimate role of police?

    Quote Originally Posted by DeadCircuits View Post
    Of course in reality not all of our laws genuinely protect people. The prohibition of marijuana for instance. You could argue as to whether the intent of the law is to protect people from harming themselves with substances, but it's pretty clear to me that marijuana does not do substantial harm to individuals or their communities.
    Scientific evidence shows otherwise:

    Dr Marta Di Forti, Medical Research Council Clinician Scientist at King's College warned that the powerful drug placed Britain's 2.1 million cannabis users at risk of schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, depression, psychosis, delusions and hallucinations.

    'The increase of high-potency cannabis on the streets poses a significant hazard to users' mental health, and reduces their ability to choose more benign types,' she said.


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    Re: What is the legitimate role of police?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Most police will agree that they respond to crimes of violence to write a report, not to stop the crime. By the time they arrive, in the vast majority of cases, the crime of violence is already completed.

    That said, though, they provide the famous "Thin Blue Line" that protects most of us from the folks on the other side of the line.

    A society without police is nothing more or less than a mob.
    The real “thin blue line” is those thin shooters gloves between you trigger finger and the trigger.

    The problem with self defense is proving a “good shoot” whereas a police shooting is always a good shoot.
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    Re: What is the legitimate role of police?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mircea View Post
    Scientific evidence shows otherwise:

    Dr Marta Di Forti, Medical Research Council Clinician Scientist at King's College warned that the powerful drug placed Britain's 2.1 million cannabis users at risk of schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, depression, psychosis, delusions and hallucinations.

    'The increase of high-potency cannabis on the streets poses a significant hazard to users' mental health, and reduces their ability to choose more benign types,' she said.


    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...#ixzz59gchIJDy
    I don't actually disagree that cannabis can be harmful, perhaps I should have been more clear in saying I don't think it's harmful in a way that is helped by criminalisation. You're not protecting a cannabis user by sentencing them. It would be more appropriate to offer them support to get off the drug and to establish a life without it. The current laws do not protect vulnerable cannabis users, people are buying strains of indeterminate strength that may or may not be contaminated from illegal dealers.

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    Re: What is the legitimate role of police?

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckiechan View Post
    The real “thin blue line” is those thin shooters gloves between you trigger finger and the trigger.

    The problem with self defense is proving a “good shoot” whereas a police shooting is always a good shoot.
    "Officer, I felt my life was in danger."

    Obviously, given recent events, not all police shootings are "good shoot(s)".
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