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    Re: U.S. judge rules it would be ‘tyranny’ to force Christian to bake cake for lesbian ‘marriage’

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    The bold is 100% factually incorrect. I guarantee you that I can discriminate against a citizen of any give city based upon the hair color. Is that a good reason? Personally I don't think so, but it is still legal for me to do so. This is why the claim of businesses not being able to do something for no good reason is a bad one, and easily proven wrong.

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    the discussion is about illegal discrimination hence the reference and referring to municipalities, courts etc and then me pointing out it varies. So no what "i" actually said is not easily proven wrong

    if the poster i quoted is saying no discrimination is ok then that would be his mistake but based on content i didn't see it that way at all. he is free to correct me if i am wrong about my assumption though.
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    Re: U.S. judge rules it would be ‘tyranny’ to force Christian to bake cake for lesbian ‘marriage’

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Again this no good reason crap you don't get to decide what is it good reason. And yes a company gets to decide who they serve. No the final say is the Supreme Court.

    Just because an official makes a rule doesn't mean it's constitutional.
    And again you're saying 'constitution'. Does the constitution rule every aspect of American life? I was told the constitution existed only to define the limits of the power of the Federal government. Isn't that right? "Congress shall make no laws...etc.etc." Now you're telling me that the constitution gives courts the right to apply those same limits to every government. Is that how it is? City governments are governed by the constitution as well as the Federal government?
    I wonder how that affects things like noise bylaws and dog licenses and property taxes.
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    Re: U.S. judge rules it would be ‘tyranny’ to force Christian to bake cake for lesbian ‘marriage’

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    And again you're saying 'constitution'. Does the constitution rule every aspect of American life?
    it is the supreme law so yes.

    I was told the constitution existed only to define the limits of the power of the Federal government. Isn't that right?
    no that is not write the Constitution is the supreme law it is our ruler as it were. Within the Constitution there is something called The Bill of Rights which guarantees rights to every citizen states don't just get to disobey at there will neither do municipalities because people are American citizens first. The Constitution limit all forms of government

    "Congress shall make no laws...etc.etc." Now you're telling me that the constitution gives courts the right to apply those same limits to every government. Is that how it is?
    that is exactly how it is.


    City governments are governed by the constitution as well as the Federal government?
    yes all governments within the US city state local it doesn't matter they all must obey the Constitution.
    I wonder how that affects things like noise bylaws and dog licenses and property taxes.
    bylaws are laws written to control the membership of a private organization so it doesn't really affect that because you can disassociate with a private organization at any point. So bylaws are utterly useless. It's to how it effects dog licenses, I don't know why you would even mention that I don't know what it has to do with anything but never thought about it and property taxes any taxes can only be collected if you are able to vote for your representation.

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    Re: U.S. judge rules it would be ‘tyranny’ to force Christian to bake cake for lesbian ‘marriage’

    Quote Originally Posted by camlok View Post
    You're giving the ****ing bible as a foundation/source for religions to interfere in what is a legal/social issue. Religions contain the very idiots who caused all these problems in the first place.
    It's just about bullying Christians. They don't seem to go to Muslim bakeries.

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    Re: U.S. judge rules it would be ‘tyranny’ to force Christian to bake cake for lesbian ‘marriage’

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckiechan View Post
    It's just about bullying Christians. They don't seem to go to Muslim bakeries.

    They would be carrying their heads out in a sack.
    A wee bit of hyperbole there. Did you know that just one guy on the US death squads in the US Indonesian genocide beheaded over a thousand people with piano wire?

    Stop whining about it here and contact your local prosecutor/newspaper/... . Everybody has to follow the same laws in the US except for all the war criminal/terrorist presidents and their henchmen/henchwomen.

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    Re: U.S. judge rules it would be ‘tyranny’ to force Christian to bake cake for lesbian ‘marriage’

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckiechan View Post
    It's just about bullying Christians. They don't seem to go to Muslim bakeries.

    They would be carrying their heads out in a sack.
    problem with dishonesty like you just posted the vast majority for "Christians" arent breaking laws so it has nothing to do with Christianity or religion. its about criminals.
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    Re: U.S. judge rules it would be ‘tyranny’ to force Christian to bake cake for lesbian ‘marriage’

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckiechan View Post
    It's just about bullying Christians. They don't seem to go to Muslim bakeries.

    They would be carrying their heads out in a sack.
    that is a rather odd double standard. Christians are Adolf Hitler for turning down a gay couple's wedding cake but we never hear a peep about Islamic bakeries.

    It must be that "intersectionality."

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    Re: U.S. judge rules it would be ‘tyranny’ to force Christian to bake cake for lesbian ‘marriage’

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    BAKERSFIELD, California, February 8, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – It would be a violation of free speech for a Christian baker to be forced to make a same-sex "wedding" cake, a California judge ruled on Monday.

    Cathy Miller owns Tastries Bakery, where 40 percent of her business is wedding cakes, many of which she personally designs. Last August two lesbians asked her to design a special cake to celebrate their “marriage,” and Miller politely redirected them to an accommodating competitor.

    Nevertheless, as is the well-established LGBT pattern, the lesbians sued Miller anyway. They filed a complaint with the state Department of Fair Employment and Housing, accusing Miller of violating California’s Unruh Civil Rights Act, which criminalizes denying service based on sexual orientation. Oral arguments were heard Friday.

    Judge Lampe said that to force a Christian to create a cake that celebrates something against their religion is "violence."

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    Well, don't go into business in America then. Seems simple enough; isn't that you on the right always tell people that don't like things? "go elsewhere?"
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    Re: U.S. judge rules it would be ‘tyranny’ to force Christian to bake cake for lesbian ‘marriage’

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckiechan View Post
    It's just about bullying Christians. They don't seem to go to Muslim bakeries.

    They would be carrying their heads out in a sack.
    Neat switch to blaming the victims. Which part of Christianity involves cake?
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    Re: U.S. judge rules it would be ‘tyranny’ to force Christian to bake cake for lesbian ‘marriage’

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The couple did not even get a chance to discuss what kind of cake they wanted to order from the baker. As soon as he realized the cake would be for 2 guys, he refused and told them it was because he didn't bake cakes for gay weddings.
    The question becomes should any customer be able to impose themselves on any business? Or is this right reserved for liberal voter groups?

    For example, can a KKK member force a black baker to bake a cake to celebrate KKK day? This is just as insensitive as forcing a religious person to violate their own belief system. How about a pro-abortion baker being asked to bake a cake in memory of dead fetus day? People on the right has more proactive empathy and common sense and would not push this way. The left has no conscience and is always picking a fight with otherwise good people. Maybe what needs to happen is for members of the right to give the left a dose of their own medicine.

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