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10 Colorado officers shot, 3 killed in the line of duty over past 5 weeks

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DENVER — It has been a difficult time for Colorado law enforcement agencies over the past five weeks. Ten officers have been shot, three of whom were killed, in the line of duty during three separate incidents involving five departments since Dec. 31.

The latest shooting occurred in Colorado Springs Monday afternoon when a car theft suspect shot and killed El Paso County Deputy Micah Flick. Three other officers — two deputies and a Colorado Springs Police officer — were wounded. A bystander was also injured.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/ne...-killed-in-the-line-of-duty-over-past-5-weeks

Which explains this:

Numerous police departments around the country are desperately losing manpower with decreasing numbers of officers and recruits. Law enforcement is becoming less of a desirable career choice due to diminishing pay, high risk, and of course a recent bad rap — a trend that could put public safety at risk, say policing experts.

The current shortage afflicts police forces from large metropolitan hubs to rural towns.

“Departments are struggling to find not only interested, but interested and qualified, candidates to join the force,” said Jim Burch, vice president of the Police Foundation. “With everything happening around policing from salary to criticism, the question many people are asking is ‘is it worth it?’”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-shortage-hits-cities-small-towns-across-country-n734721


Without the police, it will be a scary place. What can be done?
 
holbritter said:
DENVER — It has been a difficult time for Colorado law enforcement agencies over the past five weeks. Ten officers have been shot, three of whom were killed, in the line of duty during three separate incidents involving five departments since Dec. 31.

The latest shooting occurred in Colorado Springs Monday afternoon when a car theft suspect shot and killed El Paso County Deputy Micah Flick. Three other officers — two deputies and a Colorado Springs Police officer — were wounded. A bystander was also injured.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/ne...-killed-in-the-line-of-duty-over-past-5-weeks

Which explains this:

Numerous police departments around the country are desperately losing manpower with decreasing numbers of officers and recruits. Law enforcement is becoming less of a desirable career choice due to diminishing pay, high risk, and of course a recent bad rap — a trend that could put public safety at risk, say policing experts.

The current shortage afflicts police forces from large metropolitan hubs to rural towns.

“Departments are struggling to find not only interested, but interested and qualified, candidates to join the force,” said Jim Burch, vice president of the Police Foundation. “With everything happening around policing from salary to criticism, the question many people are asking is ‘is it worth it?’”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-shortage-hits-cities-small-towns-across-country-n734721


Without the police, it will be a scary place. What can be done?
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Pay cops more
Have higher standards
Hold cops accountable for obvious wrong doing
execute cop killers
 
holbritter said:
DENVER — It has been a difficult time for Colorado law enforcement agencies over the past five weeks. Ten officers have been shot, three of whom were killed, in the line of duty during three separate incidents involving five departments since Dec. 31.

The latest shooting occurred in Colorado Springs Monday afternoon when a car theft suspect shot and killed El Paso County Deputy Micah Flick. Three other officers — two deputies and a Colorado Springs Police officer — were wounded. A bystander was also injured.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/ne...-killed-in-the-line-of-duty-over-past-5-weeks

Which explains this:

Numerous police departments around the country are desperately losing manpower with decreasing numbers of officers and recruits. Law enforcement is becoming less of a desirable career choice due to diminishing pay, high risk, and of course a recent bad rap — a trend that could put public safety at risk, say policing experts.

The current shortage afflicts police forces from large metropolitan hubs to rural towns.

“Departments are struggling to find not only interested, but interested and qualified, candidates to join the force,” said Jim Burch, vice president of the Police Foundation. “With everything happening around policing from salary to criticism, the question many people are asking is ‘is it worth it?’”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-shortage-hits-cities-small-towns-across-country-n734721


Without the police, it will be a scary place. What can be done?
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If you listen to the Right, making sure that it's as easy as possible for everyone to purchase firearms will make America a safer place i.e. if more people have guns, less people (including fewer police) get shot.

That, and the cow will certainly jump over the moon.
 
so, ................. do not LE understand they perform a potentially dangerous function within OUR society?

It is all volunteer ...........
 
Glen Contrarian said:
If you listen to the Right, making sure that it's as easy as possible for everyone to purchase firearms will make America a safer place i.e. if more people have guns, less people (including fewer police) get shot.
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Yes, instead let's make sure we attack a bunch of nonsense that nobody supports to malign "the Right" and ignore the issue altogether. That's a great position, Glen.
 
holbritter said:
Without the police, it will be a scary place. What can be done?
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Post #2 was damn close, but we do not have enough evidence to support the notion that the death penalty itself deters murder.

There is merit to the idea of raising the standards (which inherently means raising their accountability) by paying them more.

There is also merit to the idea of looking to the sociological reasons for these acts in the first place. Ah, that is crazy talk... just kill more, put the rest in jail, and hope for the best.
 
cuban smokes said:
so, ................. do not LE understand they perform a potentially dangerous function within OUR society?

It is all volunteer ...........
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What a blatantly disrespectful post to law enforcement that die protecting us. They may choose the job, but that's no reason why their deaths shouldn't be honored and steps taken to protect police lives.
 
digsbe said:
What a blatantly disrespectful post to law enforcement that die protecting us. They may choose the job, but that's no reason why their deaths shouldn't be honored and steps taken to protect police lives.
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did I say their deaths should not be honored? NO, I did not ................. next ............

they volunteered for their jobs ..............
 
cuban smokes said:
did I say their deaths should not be honored? NO, I did not ................. next ............

they volunteered for their jobs ..............
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No, but it's utterly dismissive of their sacrifice. So what if they volunteered, does this mean steps shouldn't be taken to make their job safer? Sure there are crooked cops, but by and large they are national heroes. Solder's are also heroic volunteers, would you dismiss their deaths too because they "volunteer" to serve?
 
digsbe said:
No, but it's utterly dismissive of their sacrifice. So what if they volunteered, does this mean steps shouldn't be taken to make their job safer? Sure there are crooked cops, but by and large they are national heroes. Solder's are also heroic volunteers, would you dismiss their deaths too because they "volunteer" to serve?
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I would like anyone in the conversation to explain to any in the conversation; How are we gonna make any job 'safer' in which the employee carries a firearm?

come on folks; it's got the potential to be a dangerous, or even fatal employment scenario ........
 
Bodhisattva said:
Hold cops accountable for obvious wrong doing[sic]
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wrongdoing.

M-W:
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cuban smokes said:
so, ................. do not LE understand they perform a potentially dangerous function within OUR society?

It is all volunteer ...........
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Yes, but the point of the thread is that it's getting more dangerous, so much so that there are less and less people going into the career. Public safety will soon suffer, if it's not already. Actually, don't bother answering. I know from your previous comments in other threads that you have no use for the police and think they are all corrupt and killers.

Yeah, they choose the job to protect the public, which includes you, in situations of danger. With attitudes like yours it's no wonder people aren't choosing this career path any longer.
 
cuban smokes said:
I would like anyone in the conversation to explain to any in the conversation; How are we gonna make any job 'safer' in which the employee carries a firearm?

come on folks; it's got the potential to be a dangerous, or even fatal employment scenario ........
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You know what, you're right. There is no way to make it safer. The way current young and middle age generation could care less who they kill, it's pretty useless to try. The problem is the lack of empathy and the sense of entitlement and selfishness.

It's a 'give me', 'I deserve', 'no one can tell me what to do' world now.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
If you listen to the Right, making sure that it's as easy as possible for everyone to purchase firearms will make America a safer place i.e. if more people have guns, less people (including fewer police) get shot.

That, and the cow will certainly jump over the moon.
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If you listen to the left... make guns as hard as possible for law abiding citizens to own.. so only the police and the criminals will have them...

Oh.. and be sure to put your sign on your door that says "gun free zone".. as its a well established way to stop criminals from bringing firearms onto your property.
 
holbritter said:
You know what, you're right. There is no way to make it safer. The way current young and middle age generation could care less who they kill, it's pretty useless to try. The problem is the lack of empathy and the sense of entitlement and selfishness.

It's a 'give me', 'I deserve', 'no one can tell me what to do' world now.
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And that would be a load of crap.

We are living in one of the safest times in our countries history.

Preliminary analysis of crime data from the nation’s 30 largest cities released by the Brennan Center for Justice on Wednesday suggests that it isn’t. According to the center’s overview of crime and murder data, 2017 is on pace to have the second-lowest violent crime rate of any year since 1990.

From the report:
•The overall crime rate is projected to drop by 1.8 percent to the second-lowest point since 1990.
•The violent crime rate is projected to fall by 0.6 percent, also to the second-lowest point in over 25 years. (The lowest rate was in 2014.) “This result,” the report’s authors write, “is driven primarily by stabilization in Chicago and declines in Washington, D.C., two large cities that experienced increases in violence in recent years.”
•The murder rate is projected to be down 2.5 percent, on-par with the rate in 2009.
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jaeger19 said:
And that would be a load of crap.

We are living in one of the safest times in our countries history.
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Yeah, well 'projected' doesn't cut it. Tell that to victims families.
 
holbritter said:
Yeah, well 'projected' doesn't cut it. Tell that to victims families.
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okay.



1Violent crime in the U.S. has fallen sharply over the past quarter century. The two most commonly cited sources of crime statistics in the U.S. both show a substantial decline in the violent crime rate since it peaked in the early 1990s. One is an annual report by the FBI of serious crimes reported to police in approximately 18,000 jurisdictions around the country. The other is an annual survey of more than 90,000 households conducted by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, which asks Americans ages 12 and older whether they were victims of crime, regardless of whether they reported those crimes to the police. Using the FBI numbers, the violent crime rate fell 48% between 1993 and 2016. Using the BJS data, the rate fell 74% during that span. (For both studies, 2016 is the most recent full year of data.)
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there are a lot less victim's families to tell now.
 
Taylor said:
Yes, instead let's make sure we attack a bunch of nonsense that nobody supports to malign "the Right" and ignore the issue altogether. That's a great position, Glen.
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Yeah, you're right - the Right has never ever stood for removing anything they see as an obstacle to firearm ownership (e.g. "background checks are unconstitutional"), and it's never ever been shown that police are more likely to be shot when it's much easier for criminals and mentally-ill people to purchase firearms.

:roll:
 
jaeger19 said:
okay.





there are a lot less victim's families to tell now.
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Thing is, it's not just in America that violent crime has dropped so much - it's throughout the first world nations. That should tell you that whatever the reason may be for the drop in violent crime, it's not due to the American second amendment or lack thereof. That being said, America's violent crime rates are still much higher than in the rest of the first-world nations - yeah, ours is a lot lower than it used to be...but their is that much lower than ours.

Personally, I think that the great drop in crime is for the same reason that the birth rates of first-world nations has dropped - there's simply so much more to do now, from sports to video games to cable TV to the internet...all those little things that seem to take up so much of the time of young men in the modern world. It's just like in the military - keep the junior enlisted busy doing whatever, and even if they gripe about it, they simply don't have time to do that which gets them in trouble.
 
jaeger19 said:
If you listen to the left... make guns as hard as possible for law abiding citizens to own.. so only the police and the criminals will have them...

Oh.. and be sure to put your sign on your door that says "gun free zone".. as its a well established way to stop criminals from bringing firearms onto your property.
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Which is why ALL the other first-world democracies (where gun control laws are so much stricter than here) ALL have much higher violent crime and homicide rates?

Oh wait....
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Thing is, it's not just in America that violent crime has dropped so much - it's throughout the first world nations. That should tell you that whatever the reason may be for the drop in violent crime, it's not due to the American second amendment or lack thereof. That being said, America's violent crime rates are still much higher than in the rest of the first-world nations - yeah, ours is a lot lower than it used to be...but their is that much lower than ours.

Personally, I think that the great drop in crime is for the same reason that the birth rates of first-world nations has dropped - there's simply so much more to do now, from sports to video games to cable TV to the internet...all those little things that seem to take up so much of the time of young men in the modern world. It's just like in the military - keep the junior enlisted busy doing whatever, and even if they gripe about it, they simply don't have time to do that which gets them in trouble.
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Exactly.. the drop in crime has occurred in first world nations.. INCLUDING AMERICA .. despite the fact that we have had dramatically more firearms.

And our violent crime rates are actually not much higher.. in fact in many cases they are lower. AND ours have in many cases dropped faster than theirs have.

Actually the drop in crime probably actually has to do with easy access to birth control and abortion.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Which is why ALL the other first-world democracies (where gun control laws are so much stricter than here) ALL have much higher violent crime and homicide rates?

Oh wait....
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nope.. we already established that guns and gun control has little to do with crime rates.

What you have in all these first world countries that have stricter gun laws.. is a situation where only the police and the criminals have firearms.. and the law abiding have been needlessly disarmed.
 
jaeger19 said:
Exactly.. the drop in crime has occurred in first world nations.. INCLUDING AMERICA .. despite the fact that we have had dramatically more firearms.

And our violent crime rates are actually not much higher.. in fact in many cases they are lower. AND ours have in many cases dropped faster than theirs have.

Actually the drop in crime probably actually has to do with easy access to birth control and abortion.
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References, please...because all the references I've seen show us still having a significantly higher homicide rate than ANY of the other first-world nations. As as to how far our rate fell, that's not unusual - that's just a sign that our rate had that much further to fall.

And when it comes to the "birth control" and "abortion" argument, that's what was argued in "Freakonomics"...and it's a classic case of the correlation/causation logical fallacy (though I did enjoy the book otherwise). Why? Ireland, where it's only now that abortion is even being considered to be legalized, (but only to save the life of the mother IIRC). Their violent crime rate fell, too...so it ain't because of abortion or birth control.
 
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