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    Re: 10 Colorado officers shot, 3 killed in the line of duty over past 5 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack50 View Post
    You realize that their wealth is the reason they can sit on their ass. My issue isnít with people who have the money and donít do ****. I also donít have an issue with people who are broke and donít do ****. My issue is with those who claim they deserve more money for jobs not worth more money. If they want to make more money...they need to go into fields worth more money. Supply and demand.
    Who determines the bold? How much is a persons time worth?

    You supply an answer at the end: "supply and demand". Unfortunately, we know that there are issues with monopsony power and regulatory capture, along with job search frictions and health benefits, that work to artificially depress wages.

    Supply and demand are most effective with an infinite market. In an infinite market, employees AND employers compete fiercely. This drives profits to ZERO and every worker is paid exactly what their time is worth.

    But we don't have an infinite market. We have a very finite market with an unmistakably discrete set of employers.

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    Re: 10 Colorado officers shot, 3 killed in the line of duty over past 5 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    Who determines the bold? How much is a persons time worth?

    You supply an answer at the end: "supply and demand". Unfortunately, we know that there are issues with monopsony power and regulatory capture, along with job search frictions and health benefits, that work to artificially depress wages.

    Supply and demand are most effective with an infinite market. In an infinite market, employees AND employers compete fiercely. This drives profits to ZERO and every worker is paid exactly what their time is worth.

    But we don't have an infinite market. We have a very finite market with an unmistakably discrete set of employers.
    Unmistakably discrete? What do you mean by this?

    And what I CAN tell you is that supply and demand works in our current market. Let me ask you...what do you think the demand is for a high school drop out with NO trade skills? How much do you think their labor is worth? How easily replaced are they?
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    Re: 10 Colorado officers shot, 3 killed in the line of duty over past 5 weeks

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    Unmistakably discrete? What do you mean by this?

    And what I CAN tell you is that supply and demand works in our current market. Let me ask you...what do you think the demand is for a high school drop out with NO trade skills? How much do you think their labor is worth? How easily replaced are they?
    What i mean by unmistakably discrete is that we have a very limited set of choices.

    If you want to work as a cashier, you can go to Walmart and accept whatever they offer. If you want to buy a towel, you might go to Walmart.

    In an infinite market, there might be a Walmort down the road that pays $1.00/hr more and where towels costs $0.10 less because the owners aren't raking in billions of dollars. But in real life, there's no Walmort option.

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    Re: 10 Colorado officers shot, 3 killed in the line of duty over past 5 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    If you listen to the Right, making sure that it's as easy as possible for everyone to purchase firearms will make America a safer place i.e. if more people have guns, less people (including fewer police) get shot.

    That, and the cow will certainly jump over the moon.
    LOL....here we go again.

    Legal gun owners already use the proper channels to buy firearms.

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    Re: 10 Colorado officers shot, 3 killed in the line of duty over past 5 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    What i mean by unmistakably discrete is that we have a very limited set of choices.

    If you want to work as a cashier, you can go to Walmart and accept whatever they offer. If you want to buy a towel, you might go to Walmart.

    In an infinite market, there might be a Walmort down the road that pays $1.00/hr more and where towels costs $0.10 less because the owners aren't raking in billions of dollars. But in real life, there's no Walmort option.
    Dollar general? Target? Kohl’s? Online retail? Even in a small town...you have options. It may not be “infinite,” but Walmart isn’t the only option. It isn’t for work. It isn’t for buying things. Walmart is successful because they are cheap. Chick-fil-A vs McDonald’s. Who pays more? Which place is better?
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    Re: 10 Colorado officers shot, 3 killed in the line of duty over past 5 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack50 View Post
    Dollar general? Target? Kohlís? Online retail? Even in a small town...you have options. It may not be ďinfinite,Ē but Walmart isnít the only option. It isnít for work. It isnít for buying things. Walmart is successful because they are cheap. Chick-fil-A vs McDonaldís. Who pays more? Which place is better?
    The point i'm making still stands.

    The economic laws you're entrusting to distribute resources in reality are based on an ideal. The ideal free market is infinite, it pits competitor against competitor so fiercely that they both lower prices until profit is zero.

    We can tell how healthy and competitive our markets are by looking at profit margins. Comcast has a >97% profit margin on high speed internet service. It costs them a few dollars per month to provide and they charge the customer $100/mo or so.

    If Comcast faced serious competition, they'd have to bring the prices down: but they don't.

    If Walmart faced serious competition, the owners wouldn't be able to stockpile so many billions of dollars.

    Excess profit is fundamentally waste in a competitive economy.

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    Re: 10 Colorado officers shot, 3 killed in the line of duty over past 5 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack50 View Post
    Unmistakably discrete? What do you mean by this?

    And what I CAN tell you is that supply and demand works in our current market. Let me ask you...what do you think the demand is for a high school drop out with NO trade skills? How much do you think their labor is worth? How easily replaced are they?
    Another thing that works is, 'you get what you pay for'. If you want quality people in your city police or sheriff's department, you need to pay them enough so they don't go to the state police or FBI or one of the dozens of other law enforcement options.
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    Re: 10 Colorado officers shot, 3 killed in the line of duty over past 5 weeks

    SMH!!!

    Making a political issue out of cops being killed.

    Amount of problems ive experienced with legally armed citizens = 0

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    Re: 10 Colorado officers shot, 3 killed in the line of duty over past 5 weeks

    While I can say I don't know any cops that do the job for the money, there is a serious problem with how they are compensated.Same for firefighters. Good people leave law enforcement because they can make more money not risking their lives for a populace that is often times engaged in a bunch of baseless rhetoric against them. In my own home town there is a weekly update on the turnover rate for officers. They only have budget for around 100 officers, but they are losing an average of two cops a month or something like that. Its due to low pay and reduced benefits. The city prioritizes funding construction and improvements over services. The P.D. is running at about 70% of normal staffing and has very few street officers with over 5 years of experience left. They are rotating seasoned detectives back out to uniform patrol because they need experienced supervisor out there more than they need detectives investigating burglaries. One shift has six officers and the most experienced patrolman has 2.5 years on the job. THAT is scary. Officers are having to pull mandatory overtime, which is putting stress on the families, and taxing the cops so much that it's affecting the way they interact with the public. Complaints are up and that's never good.

    This last election was awful for cops. There was a full court press to vilify law enforcement as a bunch of cowboy racists getting away with murdering innocent, unarmed black men. Its one of the main reasons I jumped out of the Democrat party and voted libertarian. I believe Obama was a good President. Not perfect by any means, but good. That said I found it revolting the way he, Clinton, and Sanders used their podium to **** all over good men and women doing a very hard job to serve and protect a community that wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. And where are all the resources Trump promised the law enforcement community? Where is budget that reinstates the programs Republicans gutted or outright canceled in the late 2000's?

    Yes, cops volunteer. They know the job is dangerous, and they know the pay isn't that great. I am thankful that there are still men and women who take the self-appointed responsibility to stand watch over a community that loves them one day and hates them the next over the latest social media outrage, and they do it till they can do it no longer. Are there bad cops, racist cops, cops who have murdered people? Sure. They are a the exception, not the rule. The overwhelming majority of cops are solid people who believe in what they are doing. What you are seeing is the result of a political system that sunk millions of dollars into a campaign built on specious claims and deliberately sacrificed a community of selfless, brave individuals in court of public opinion solely so they could try to win elections.

    This is resulting in the loss of experienced veterans and a growing reliance on young cops who have less and less in the way of mentors and skilled trainers. The problem is further exacerbated by cities and counties relaxing their standards so they can get slots filled. And we all know what happens then. A cop isn't really considered seasoned until he or she has been on the job for three years. A lot of cops aren't making it that long any more. This is a huge problem for this country.
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    Re: 10 Colorado officers shot, 3 killed in the line of duty over past 5 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Another thing that works is, 'you get what you pay for'. If you want quality people in your city police or sheriff's department, you need to pay them enough so they don't go to the state police or FBI or one of the dozens of other law enforcement options.
    Precisely.
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