Over a dozen arrested for feeding homeless in El Cajon [W:69]

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What if...? said:

Yeah. An RV space costs as much as an apartment here in San Diego.

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Yep, those zoning law "exceptions" are working exactly as designed. Often, the loudest voices against adding new RV or mobile home lots are from those that own the old ones. Where I live, any additional mobile homes must be no more than 7 years old yet all existing mobile homes are "grandfathered" in - keeping rental profits higher for the (special?) original folks.

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ReverendHellh0und said:

Who's whining, I'm simply stating fact.

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The "whining" part is about the complaints that the bad evil libtards made someone feel the sadz over single use plastic bags going away.
Sorry but the damage being done to marine life outweighs everything else.
Perhaps if people didn't just let them go literally EVERYWHERE to the point where they were CLOGGING waterways, the ban might not have happened.
We develop convenience and then never develop a means to deal with the after effects.

Street pooping can be stopped with municipal porta-johns at the very least, far better than plastic bags, which STILL wind up clogging the waterways, poop filled or not.

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ReverendHellh0und said:

The tiny houses guy with the mohawk is a friend of mine. The city for years has been trying to shut him down.

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Understood, different municipalities are at different points on the learning curve, I guess.
But the results are slowly starting to come in now, and those results say that, in the long run, it's cheaper to provide SOME kind of temp shelter to homeless than it is to just let them set up their own encampments and run amuck.

If our economic cycles are spawning "hoovervilles" or tent cities, it's a sign that we're going to have to address the crisis in a proactive manner, or we will wind up with parts of our major cities starting to resemble parts of major cities in India.
And that doesn't appear to be a wise approach.

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Checkerboard Strangler said:

The "whining" part is about the complaints that the bad evil libtards made someone feel the sadz over single use plastic bags going away.
Sorry but the damage being done to marine life outweighs everything else.
Perhaps if people didn't just let them go literally EVERYWHERE to the point where they were CLOGGING waterways, the ban might not have happened.
We develop convenience and then never develop a means to deal with the after effects.

Street pooping can be stopped with municipal porta-johns at the very least, far better than plastic bags, which STILL wind up clogging the waterways, poop filled or not.

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Maybe you should have put the port-a-johns in first.



The plastic bag ban had an unintended consequence that feel good liberals didn't think fully through.


Both recycling efforts as well as biodedegradable plastic bags would have been the better solution.

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What if...? said:

The tiny house movement is terrifying the housing market.

Can't have people owning a house outright for under $25k.

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Oh brother...that's hilarious.
These temp shelter tiny houses are far from a dream mansion.
When supplied by municipalities, most are limited to Class 2 wiring, if ANY, so that's pretty much what you could call NO ELECTRIC.
There are no internal washing or toilet facilities, residents must use common washing and toilet/shower areas, which are policed by security.

And most are located on city, county or state owned land deemed otherwise unusable for most other purposes and they are typically adjacent to warehouse areas and the like.

The "tiny house" movement is just that, a TINY HOUSE...if it's terrifying the market, then maybe the market needs to accept the reality, the reality that their product is unaffordable to a large segment of the potential clientele.

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ReverendHellh0und said:

Maybe you should have put the port-a-johns in first.



The plastic bag ban had an unintended consequence that feel good liberals didn't think fully through.


Both recycling efforts as well as biodedegradable plastic bags would have been the better solution.

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Never mind...you win (LOL)
The liberals came up with the single use plastic bags, it was George Soros.

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jdog21 said:

These are the same liberal cities and states that want to take tax exemptions away from churches. Knowing that churches give a lot back to the poor and homeless in their community and loosing tax exemption would take money thats spent of the poor away from the poor and give it to the government.

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All the churches have to do is stick to churchifying and not sponsoring political activities and candidates. But you can relax now, the current administration has either canceled that area of the law or are inches away from doing so as you read this.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/03/trump-to-relax-enforcement-of-political-activity-by-religious-groups-237958

You won!

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Checkerboard Strangler said:

Oh brother...that's hilarious.
These temp shelter tiny houses are far from a dream mansion.
When supplied by municipalities, most are limited to Class 2 wiring, if ANY, so that's pretty much what you could call NO ELECTRIC.
There are no internal washing or toilet facilities, residents must use common washing and toilet/shower areas, which are policed by security.

And most are located on city, county or state owned land deemed otherwise unusable for most other purposes and they are typically adjacent to warehouse areas and the like.

The "tiny house" movement is just that, a TINY HOUSE...if it's terrifying the market, then maybe the market needs to accept the reality, the reality that their product is unaffordable to a large segment of the potential clientele.

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I was referring to the actual tiny house movement. Permanent quality albeit small housing.

Think RV built to last.

The oddest thing to most is the composting toilets they tend to.

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What if...? said:

I was referring to the actual tiny house movement. Permanent quality albeit small housing.

Think RV built to last.

The oddest thing to most is the composting toilets they tend to.

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The neighborhood I live in (Whittier) is modest by comparison to the rest of SoCal, okay...
But there's even a few patches of land where a developer, or even some independent builders, COULD INDEED locate some so called "tiny houses" right now. They could even HAVE all the typical city services, they would just be tiny houses. You know, around 650 sq ft or less?

Even in my neighborhood, homes are expensive, and it's just because of the overheated market and because banks are keeping too many homes vacant on purpose to keep the bubble going.

Tiny houses would beat the crappy trailer park locations we currently have dotting the landscape, although I am reluctant to blast those too much, because at least they are serving their purpose.
Around here, the trailer park residents are a mix of long-time seniors and low income working people, mostly the former group.

We just moved back to SoCal in 2012, rented for two years while looking to buy, then moved here in 2014. When I USED to live in SoCal back in the 80's and 90's this neighborhood was very depressed and was something of a "no go area" due to gang violence, but all of that has evaporated away now since around the early 2000's and it's a quiet and warm place to live with friendly people.

dirtpoorchris said:

Over a dozen arrested for feeding homeless in El Cajon




I guess the homeless arent part of the public. Its illegal to give another man food in public if he doesnt own a home. (and women and chldren) Hand another man a boritto on the way out of the convenience store and you might go to jail. Cities keep passing these laws and doesnt it just seem like exactly the opposite of human?


“I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law.”- MLK

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What would they do if you bought him a room for the night, and then fed him? Does that make it OK?

Obviously not, because what they want is for the "homeless problem" to become someone else's.

Let me let you in on something, Vancouver has the highest real estate taxes in North America.....There will always be a homeless problem just as there will always be poverty, the petty crime that goes with it, the street chaos, impact on tourists etc. so long as everyone shoves the problem somewhere else.


We've done some experimenting and found some interesting results. Create a steady, easy to access and regular meal program breakfast and lunch....and poof, shoplifting drops by a half.

I guess here in Vancouver we see them differently...when I see a guy pushing four market carts filled with cans, bottles etc., I see a man providing a free service by taking away the **** people throw out and reducing what gets hauled to the land fill.

As I think of it, had I enough money I'd come down there and start handing out big macks, see what they do, have they got the balls to test this with SCOTUS?

Fearandloathing said:

What would they do if you bought him a room for the night, and then fed him? Does that make it OK?

Obviously not, because what they want is for the "homeless problem" to become someone else's.

Let me let you in on something, Vancouver has the highest real estate taxes in North America.....There will always be a homeless problem just as there will always be poverty, the petty crime that goes with it, the street chaos, impact on tourists etc. so long as everyone shoves the problem somewhere else.


We've done some experimenting and found some interesting results. Create a steady, easy to access and regular meal program breakfast and lunch....and poof, shoplifting drops by a half.

I guess here in Vancouver we see them differently...when I see a guy pushing four market carts filled with cans, bottles etc., I see a man providing a free service by taking away the **** people throw out and reducing what gets hauled to the land fill.

As I think of it, had I enough money I'd come down there and start handing out big macks, see what they do, have they got the balls to test this with SCOTUS?

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That does make it OK.

This ordnance is to not feed them in public. That was clearly stated in the OP.

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Checkerboard Strangler said:

Never mind...you win (LOL)
The liberals came up with the single use plastic bags, it was George Soros.

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That's dumb.


liberals came up with the policies to ban them without understanding all the ramifications.

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PleasantValley said:

I have done that many times.
Bought two meal deals instead of one and gave it to the homeless guy outside.
I make a habit of it when I am on the road.
El Cajon's law is a bit mean.
No animal or human should go hungry.

Technical question though: If only given a citation, doesn't that mean they were NOT ARRESTED?
Isn't a citation just a ticket?
Were as an arrest is where you are booked?

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Where I live is like a junior Rodeo Drive. There are always people in the street seeking your attention, some authorized by buying a piece of paper. They become part of the fabric of this neighborhood, a hippy Haight-Ashbrur still in its core. And still religiously '**** you' about outsiders; don't like something? Move.

But the "homeless" (most of whom have shelter), we come to know and as with most things when you let them be, they tend settle into a peaceful co-existence. Personally I like them, I know most by name; we lost Jeremy last year, he was always sick physically as well as mentally and he refused to see a doctor or go to emerge. One day he simply stopped showing up.
People put up memorial for him where he stood, someone found a picture of when he was healthy, and we had a little wake for him right in front of "Whole Foods".
I kind of like the dichotomy, all these hot, multinational clothing lines, (there's one store appears to have only T-****s, and only in black and white), the high priced Trendy selling to a market that likes spending $800 on some casual shoes. I like seeing people stop and give them money, and buy food for them.

Why aren't we over run with them by treating them nicely? No, you see they've been making their way a long time and they know about competition; I guess you'd call that a self-regulating industry

Mason66 said:

That does make it OK.

This ordnance is to not feed them in public. That was clearly stated in the OP.

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some of you need to get a sense of humor.

dirtpoorchris said:

Over a dozen arrested for feeding homeless in El Cajon




I guess the homeless arent part of the public. Its illegal to give another man food in public if he doesnt own a home. (and women and chldren) Hand another man a boritto on the way out of the convenience store and you might go to jail. Cities keep passing these laws and doesnt it just seem like exactly the opposite of human?


“I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law.”- MLK

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I have a hard time with this one. I feel bad for the truly homeless. My town recently struck down a law that barred panhandling (free speech is free speech). Unfortunate the numbers of people now doing so have skyrocketed. There is one intersection that now will have 8 or 9 milling about with signs and walking in and out of traffic. Some of these people have dogs and stuff too. I actually am very suspicious because these dogs look to be in great health. But that is an entirely different story because a few I know for a fact are homeless and in need from doing a ride along and actually running into them.

Anyway. It is a real problem because of what comes from the particular community. Lots of addiction and petty crime. I can understand the desire to get rid of it for that. But what are the effective methods for dealing with homelessness? Sadly I think most towns just want to pass the buck because they know the solution is nearly impossible.