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Want to stay out of jail? Stay in school.

Unitedwestand13 said:
Drug possession crimes combined with the three strike system is a broken system of criminal justice
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In your opinion

I have personally seen drugs destroy a couple of lives and families

Should it be a persons right to destroy their own life? That is a really hard question for me..

Because rarely is that person by themselves....rarely are there no other casualties of one type or another

Heroin, meth, opioids, x, coke, etc......distributors should be given minimum sentences of 30 years....dealers, 25 years

I don’t really care about marijuana except that way too many use it, and then think they are okay to drive....they aren’t

Same as alcohol, you are impaired....and I don’t want you killing someone I love because you wanted to get stoned
 
JMR said:
The point was some people are more likely to be jailed than other people for the same crime. This is a fact that has been widely researched and reported on.
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Yes, we know the courts and the system is racially biased

Whites have more access to better lawyers, and hence get lesser sentences

Still...if you do the crime, you have to expect to pay the time
 
gdgyva said:
In your opinion

I have personally seen drugs destroy a couple of lives and families

Should it be a persons right to destroy their own life? That is a really hard question for me..

Because rarely is that person by themselves....rarely are there no other casualties of one type or another

Heroin, meth, opioids, x, coke, etc......distributors should be given minimum sentences of 30 years....dealers, 25 years

I don’t really care about marijuana except that way too many use it, and then think they are okay to drive....they aren’t

Same as alcohol, you are impaired....and I don’t want you killing someone I love because you wanted to get stoned
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And prison does nothing to deter or reform criminals. prisons are finishing schools for new generations of criminals.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Crime is a choice.

It's too bad for you if you have to use the prison victim argument to prop up your BS narrative.
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What exactly is my BS narrative? I do not recall commenting on whether crime is a choice, only that African Americans making that choice are more likely to go to jail than White people making the same choice.

You seem itching for an argument. Take it somewhere else please.
 
RetiredUSN said:
It's too bad that you appeasers never include any research of how many of these poor criminals were repeat offenders before a judge got tired of their act and finally sent them to jail.

Get back to us when you want to debate a honest argument.
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Supply some of your own research. That might be a first.
 
JMR said:
Supply some of your own research. That might be a first.
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The burden of proof is on you when you make the accusation.

Did you consider this before you jumped in?

Again, how many of these poor poor minorities were were before the judge numerous times before they finally got into prison?
 
RetiredUSN said:
The burden of proof is on you when you make the accusation.

Did you consider this before you jumped in?

Again, how many of these poor poor minorities were were before the judge numerous times before they finally got into prison?
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I think you should take your own advice. You made the accusation that I had a BS narrative. You float the idea that "poor poor" minorities are before the judge more frequently (which come to think of it, is explained by my provided research.) So I would say at this point the burden is on you.

Should I not jump in to discussions? I entered the discussion with a statement and a link to research supporting that statement.
 
JMR said:
I think you should take your own advice. You made the accusation that I had a BS narrative. You float the idea that "poor poor" minorities are before the judge more frequently (which come to think of it, is explained by my provided research.) So I would say at this point the burden is on you.

Should I not jump in to discussions? I entered the discussion with a statement and a link to research supporting that statement.
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You posted a link...............LOL.

I can post a link in 30 seconds.

I hope it wasn't too arduous for you.

https://www.ocregister.com/2015/01/...ffenders-being-given-too-many-second-chances/
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
And prison does nothing to deter or reform criminals. prisons are finishing schools for new generations of criminals.
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Okay

We can just shoot them as soon as they guilty verdict comes in....

No prison system gets rich.....no drug prisoners housed for 4/5 of their life

Simple solution....cost of a bullet
 
gdgyva said:
Okay

We can just shoot them as soon as they guilty verdict comes in....

No prison system gets rich.....no drug prisoners housed for 4/5 of their life

Simple solution....cost of a bullet
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Now who is making things ridiculous?

The answer is rethinking the way we address crime laws. The three strikes law is susceptible to error and people should not be subject to the three strikes law for simply possessing drugs. If their only offense is posessing drugs, that should be a matter refered to drug counselors.
 
RetiredUSN said:
You posted a link...............LOL.

I can post a link in 30 seconds.

I hope it wasn't too arduous for you.

https://www.ocregister.com/2015/01/...ffenders-being-given-too-many-second-chances/
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As my original link stated, African Americans are more likely to be detained, and even more likely to be charged, and then even more likely to be brought to court than white Americans. So now you state judges are more likely to be tired of seeing them in court, and therefore they should be jailed... and you submit a link from the Orange County Register that does not mention the racial backgrounds of any of the subjects of their article to help you make your case...although I do notice the "names" used in the article might suggest a connection to some readers.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Now who is making things ridiculous?

The answer is rethinking the way we address crime laws. The three strikes law is susceptible to error and people should not be subject to the three strikes law for simply possessing drugs. If their only offense is posessing drugs, that should be a matter refered to drug counselors.
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I'm beginning to think some posters here might be in drug possessing trouble. :mrgreen: But probably not likely to be arrested for same.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Not to criminals...
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I'm sure all criminals are aware to some degree there is a chance they can be caught at any moment. The risk is still very high even if the reward is slightly higher.
 
Public schools in some districts are no better than prisons at this point. I don't blame some students for losing interest and dropping out.

It's also hard to stay in school if you're the oldest child and you're holding down the fort while your single parent is working.

It takes some unique nerve, determination and talent for students in rough circumstances to stick to their studies and push through to graduation no matter what. And without much moral support either.
 
Moral of the story: it is the dumb criminals who get caught. So if you are going to go into a life of crime, get an education first.

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Skeptic Bob said:
Moral of the story: it is the dumb criminals who get caught. So if you are going to go into a life of crime, get an education first.

:)
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:lamo

Yes, whatever you do in life, learn it and do it well!
 
Chomsky said:
Yes, even to most criminals.

Most are just too stupid to understand, or too desperate to help themselves.
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If the reward were not worth the risk they would not risk it. Just because you think the risk is not worth it does not mean they agree.
 
gdgyva said:
Yes, we know the courts and the system is racially biased

Whites have more access to better lawyers, and hence get lesser sentences

Still...if you do the crime, you have to expect to pay the time
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I would argue the best way to beat one's criminal responsibility, is affluence.

The more money you and your family has, the better the chance you're walking or getting a slap on the wrist.
 
Northern Light said:
Public schools in some districts are no better than prisons at this point. I don't blame some students for losing interest and dropping out.

It's also hard to stay in school if you're the oldest child and you're holding down the fort while your single parent is working.

It takes some unique nerve, determination and talent for students in rough circumstances to stick to their studies and push through to graduation no matter what. And without much moral support either.
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Yeah - I'd say one of the highest predictors of academic success, besides one's motivation, is family support.

Your family don't have to be loaded, though it helps. But at the least they've got to be willing to keep you alive and pay your bills, while you're in school.

If you don't have a family that will do this, find a good spouse and take turns doing it for each other! But I can assure you it's far easier to throw yourself headlong into an education, when you're living in Mommy & Daddy's basement!
 
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