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Los Angeles man arrested in ‘swatting’ call that preceded fatal police shooting in Kansas

jaeger19 said:
That's scary...

So you want the police to go forth and assume a situation given to them by a CRIMINAL.. is the correct one.. because some time in the past.. it has happened?

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Had this been real and the police treated it as a prank call or a welfare check then you have tge potential of nlt onky losing an officer or two but also might expedite the criminal's intention in killing the rest of his family.
 
Maccabee said:
Had this been real and the police treated it as a prank call or a welfare check then you have tge potential of nlt onky losing an officer or two but also might expedite the criminal's intention in killing the rest of his family.
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Except because the officer took the criminal AT HIS WORD.. and rushed into a situation based on what an AVOWED CRIMINAL reported.. then we didn;t have a "potential".. loss of innocent life... WE HAD AN ACTUAL LOSS OF INNOCENT LIFE.
 
jaeger19 said:
Except because the officer took the criminal AT HIS WORD.. and rushed into a situation based on what an AVOWED CRIMINAL reported.. then we didn;t have a "potential".. loss of innocent life... WE HAD AN ACTUAL LOSS OF INNOCENT LIFE.
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It would've been far worse had they treated it as a prank when it was real.
 
Maccabee said:
It would've been far worse had they treated it as a prank when it was real.
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But it was not real.. and if they had treated it like they should have.. .i.e. researching it out and gathering intelligence instead of assuming... no one would have died.

You keep making up "treat it like a prank".. no one has suggested it be or should have been treated like a prank.. that's all your doing.
 
holbritter said:
This 'swatting' that is going on is out of control. I can't fathom why people would do this in the first place. Do they really think it's funny? Anyone doing this needs to be charged harshly if they can be caught. When I heard it on the news last night, before they knew who did it, they had reported that over 400 'swatting' calls have been made this year.
What do you think this guy can be charged with?


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...tting-preceded-deadly-police-shooting-n833576
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The real issue is the trigger happy murdering police who gun down more than 1000 citizens a year. We live in a police state of psychopaths with badges.
 
jdog said:
The real issue is the trigger happy murdering police who gun down more than 1000 citizens a year. We live in a police state of psychopaths with badges.
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1000 isn't a lot when you consider they have more than that in calls and incidents in a single day. But hey, lets see you do the job they do, day in and day out.
 
jaeger19 said:
But it was not real..
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They didn't knew that.

and if they had treated it like they should have.. .i.e. researching it out and gathering intelligence instead of assuming... no one would have died.

You keep making up "treat it like a prank".. no one has suggested it be or should have been treated like a prank.. that's all your doing.
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Exactly how would you go about researching such a call without tipping off the person inside who is potentially looking out for police?
 
Maccabee said:
They didn't knew that.
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Right.. and that's because instead of doing some good ole police work.. they made a huge assumption and killed an innocent man.

Exactly how would you go about researching such a call without tipping off the person inside who is potentially looking out for police?
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Oh my god... seriously.... so NOW.. you are researching a call... FROM A CRIMINAL SAYING THAT HE HAS A FAMILY HOSTAGE....

And you don't want to tip off the CRIMINAL. (who supposedly JUST CALLED THE POLICE) . that the police MIGHT be arriving?..

But here.. I will tell you. How about you simply pull up around the neighborhood where the call supposedly called from. Then use a reverse directory to call the house, and talk to the people in the house. That's all that would have been needed to be done in this situation that would have gone a long way toward defusing the situation.
 
jaeger19 said:
Right.. and that's because instead of doing some good ole police work.. they made a huge assumption and killed an innocent man.



Oh my god... seriously.... so NOW.. you are researching a call... FROM A CRIMINAL SAYING THAT HE HAS A FAMILY HOSTAGE....

And you don't want to tip off the CRIMINAL. (who supposedly JUST CALLED THE POLICE) . that the police MIGHT be arriving?..

But here.. I will tell you. How about you simply pull up around the neighborhood where the call supposedly called from. Then use a reverse directory to call the house, and talk to the people in the house. That's all that would have been needed to be done in this situation that would have gone a long way toward defusing the situation.
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That is one thing i thought. They had all this time to set up a barricade and set up hostage lights to blind the accidental victim but not 30 seconds to call the house or wifes cell phone.
 
jaeger19 said:
Right.. and that's because instead of doing some good ole police work.. they made a huge assumption and killed an innocent man.
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What type of good ol' police work? Also at the time it wasn't a huge assumption.


Oh my god... seriously.... so NOW.. you are researching a call... FROM A CRIMINAL SAYING THAT HE HAS A FAMILY HOSTAGE....

And you don't want to tip off the CRIMINAL. (who supposedly JUST CALLED THE POLICE) . that the police MIGHT be arriving?..

But here.. I will tell you. How about you simply pull up around the neighborhood where the call supposedly called from. Then use a reverse directory to call the house, and talk to the people in the house. That's all that would have been needed to be done in this situation that would have gone a long way toward defusing the situation.
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Either they did that and no one answered or they figured that time was of the essence.
 
holbritter said:
1000 isn't a lot when you consider they have more than that in calls and incidents in a single day. But hey, lets see you do the job they do, day in and day out.
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It is one hell of a lot when you consider that it is 10 times the rate in Europe despite Europe having a higher over all crime rate.
Perhaps you will change your mind when someone you care about is needlessly murdered by a psychopath who thinks they are at war with the American citizens.
 
jdog said:
It is one hell of a lot when you consider that it is 10 times the rate in Europe despite Europe having a higher over all crime rate.
Perhaps you will change your mind when someone you care about is needlessly murdered by a psychopath who thinks they are at war with the American citizens.
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When the trend of the younger members of society turns towards total disregard for police authority and think nothing of taking a shot at them, they ARE at war.
 
Maccabee said:
What type of good ol' police work? Also at the time it wasn't a huge assumption.



Either they did that and no one answered or they figured that time was of the essence.
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good old police work like scouting the building, calling the actual house using a reverse directory. Finding out who actually lives there. Maybe getting descriptions ie. drivers licenses to the residents in that apartment/house.

Getting hostage negotiator in place.. so on and so forth.

Either they did that and no one answered or they figured that time was of the essence.
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And an innocent person died.

Which is what would have happened even if it was a REAL scenario.. because of the lack of preparation and work.
 
holbritter said:
When the trend of the younger members of society turns towards total disregard for police authority and think nothing of taking a shot at them, they ARE at war.
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Yep.. but not happening with any regularity. This is the myth that gets innocent bystanders killed by the police.
 
Maccabee said:
Either they did that and no one answered or they figured that time was of the essence.
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Whatever their reason an innocent person was killed by our government... justifying the killing is not appropriate.

Finding the error, admitting to it and correcting it is.
 
holbritter said:
When the trend of the younger members of society turns towards total disregard for police authority and think nothing of taking a shot at them, they ARE at war.
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How are you turning this story into the topic of police being victims?? You should be ashamed of yourself.
 
jaeger19 said:
good old police work like scouting the building, calling the actual house using a reverse directory. Finding out who actually lives there. Maybe getting descriptions ie. drivers licenses to the residents in that apartment/house.
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And that probably what happened or at least was on the list of things to do.

Getting hostage negotiator in place.. so on and so forth.
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How long does it take to get a hostage negotiator especially at night?

And an innocent person died.

Which is what would have happened even if it was a REAL scenario.. because of the lack of preparation and work.
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Again, time was of the essence and you can't do everything you need to do all at the same time.
 
Maccabee said:
And that probably what happened or at least was on the list of things to do.
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IF it had been done.. and innocent man would not have been shot by the police.

How long does it take to get a hostage negotiator especially at night?
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Just as long as it takes for the police/swat to arrive. Every SWAT should have a trained hostage negotiator on the team. Every police force should have one officer trained in hostage negotiation on every shift.

Again, time was of the essence and you can't do everything you need to do all at the same time.
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time was not of the essence. Time was on the side of the police.. the more time.. the more likely a peaceful resolution. The quicker you rush into such deals.. the quicker people end up dead. in this case.. innocent people.

If "time was of the essence".. and this was a true "going to kill people" scenario.. then the police would have found everyone dead before they arrived. In fact.. if time was "really of the essence"... and the supposed gunman was really planning on killing these folks as fast as possible. THEN HE WOULD NOT HAVE BOTHERED TO CALL THE POLICE!. He would just have killed them. Done.
 
Scary to think a man can be shot dead, legally without legal repercussion just because of a false report and him shouting "HEY?! Whats going on?!" trying to protect his family. And the cop who shot is let off completely innocent. Average citizens are now second class citizens.
 
Serenity said:
Your 911 calls don't display a caller ID?

The prankster was almost 1500 miles away....
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I actually have some expertise on this.
I installed and tested E-911 systems in thirteen Texas towns, Copperas Cove, Lampasas, Kempner, Fort Hood, Killeen, Harker Heights, Burnet, Bertram, Liberty Hill, Georgetown, Florence, Belton and Temple.

An E-911 system differs from standard POTS (plain old telephone service) 911 systems in that the landline and cellular networks generally can be counted on to pass along important metadata such as location, phone numbers, etc. In the case of cellular, the location might only be the nearest cell tower or it might pinpoint the caller's physical address depending on how new the POTS 911 system actually is. The response center is known as a Public Safety Answering Point.
Not all PSAPs have the cellular and POTS systems fully integrated.

E-911 systems also tie in to local exchange carriers, or LEC's, at the PSAP but if the call originates from a Voice over Internet Protocol service (VoIP) such as Skype, or any of dozens of other "chat + phone" integrated services, the version of Session Initiated Protocol (SIP) that the VoIP program uses may or may not provide sufficient details.

Sometimes a PSAP dispatcher will be greeted with nothing more than "OUT OF AREA" on the screen when a 911 call comes in.
Recent changes to FCC laws now might require VoIP and SIP itself to be much more verbose, but that does not mean that the PSAP centers are being updated everywhere...some centers are lagging behind due to budget cuts or other issues, so even if such a call comes in with more detailed info, the PSAP dispatcher still might not be able to see it in real time, or they might only discover the E-911 VoIP caller's location AFTER the FACT, when they dig deeper.

There is also the issue of ALI FAILURE (Automatic Lookup Failure) where the information is supposed to be displayed in real time but may fail to do so.

There's much more to this, too much to go into in detail here but the point I am making is that the Enhanced 911 system is far from perfect, can be spoofed or exploited, and there is not always all that much that municipalities or the FCC can do about it short of abolishing all nomadic VoIP services altogether permanently and forcing all VoIP customers back onto POTS and cellular systems.

Good luck.
 
holbritter said:
When the trend of the younger members of society turns towards total disregard for police authority and think nothing of taking a shot at them, they ARE at war.
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The police have no "authority". The government itself have no authority over the people. In a Constitutional Republic, the people have the authority over the government. When the government declares war upon the people they were hired to serve you have complete and total totalitarianism. When the government fears the people, you have freedom, when the people fear the government, you have tyranny.
 
jdog said:
The police have no "authority". The government itself have no authority over the people. In a Constitutional Republic, the people have the authority over the government. When the government declares war upon the people they were hired to serve you have complete and total totalitarianism. When the government fears the people, you have freedom, when the people fear the government, you have tyranny.
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When did the government declared war on us?
 
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