Legal means to kill

Skeptic Bob said:

I don’t think any join the police in order to kill. I think a lot join for the power trip and those kind of people are less likely to think twice before pulling the trigger. But if they just wanted to kill legally then wouldn’t they just join the military?

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thats what i thought at first. but a murderer would also probably be greedy and not want to sign a 4 year contract with less pay than cops.

Lursa said:

I'mma have to say no. I would say some join so they can have power over other people and enjoy being abusive but even then I'd make them a great minority.

Joining up just to kill? No more common than any other psychopath roaming the streets...they exist but are rare, period.

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I can agree with basically that...

There's a psychopathic element present among the authorities, like the police and the military, but they are a minority.

What modern technology shows us it that the government has done a poor job of weeding out these individuals and in fact tends to protect them.

As I've said previously, psychological profiling in the police force looks for things like inflexibility, the ability to follow orders, emotional detachment, objectivity and the ability to enforce rules and guidelines. They also tend to profile for an average to below average IQ in order to prohibit freelancing behavior and excessive critical thinking. Other branches of the police forces of course have different requirements but I'm talking about run of the mill police officers.

Unfortunately this same kind of profiling also fits the bill of psychopaths. It's a discrepancy that hasn't been dealt with adequately and doing so would reveal a flaw in the recruitment process and cast doubt on the whole organization.

Bodhisattva said:

Jack Reacher said about the military something like... some join to serve their country... some join because their family does and some join as a legal means to kill a person. We seem to be seeing this last one more and more regarding the police with the video technology that is everywhere now. What are your thoughts?

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It depends. Do I need a cop, or am I running from one?

ecofarm said:

It's probably easier to get away with random murder as a civilian than to get away with murder under the watchful eye of authority, if one just wants to kill.

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But it pays a lot more as a cop plus you can get retirement benefits in many jurisdictions after only 10 years. And the best part, is that if you're a cop you're actually expected to act with less accountability than a people greeter at Wal*Mart or a cashier at McDonalds.

Being a cop is truly great if the only thing you want to do in life is engage in full-time thuggary.

reinoe said:

But it pays a lot more as a cop plus you can get retirement benefits in many jurisdictions after only 10 years. And the best part, is that if you're a cop you're actually expected to act with less accountability than a people greeter at Wal*Mart or a cashier at McDonalds.

Being a cop is truly great if the only thing you want to do in life is engage in full-time thuggary.

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Not my experience at all. Most cops I run across are OK.

dirtpoorchris said:

ok what about acute statistics? Like how many cops do 5 shootings in a carreer? how many do 10? how many do 20? the guy that got to 20 is probably executing people.

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Name him. Examine his record.

joG said:

I would want to see exactly, what he said.

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"Jack Reacher: There are four types of people who join the military. For some, it's a family trade. Others are patriots, eager to serve. Next, you have those who just need a job. Than there's the kind who want a legal means of killing other people. "

When I saw that I felt he meant in a war.

VanceMack said:

Oh FFS.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/

This is a database that tracks police shootings. There are approx 1.6 million law enforcement personnel. A handful of cops ever draw their weapon, let alone have the requirement to pull the trigger. The raw data proves that the vast majority of incidents involve cops and armed citizens resisting arrest.

Not every cop is perfect. Cops are society...and since there are some real ****heads in society it stands to reason that some will find their way onto the force. But the ridiculously vast majority? Come on...

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There are many police killing databases. The FBI has one, Fatal Encounters, The Washington Post has its own, us-police-shootings-database.silk.co/, Killed By Police - 2017 and more. All depend on voluntary reporting. None are dependable sources.

Regardless, you are correct, few officers ever draw a weapon outside a practice range when on the job.

Bodhisattva said:

You are new here... perhaps you should move along and find somebody that your posts might bother? :shrug:

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There's that paranoia again. I'm not out to "bother" you. I'm not new on this earth, I'm 69, been around the block a few times. I see what I see. And it is sad when anyone reacts to honest criticism with insults and false claims of being insulted.

chuckiechan said:

Fine. Then they get assigned to the motor pool or something.

In the military you don't always get assigned to do where you want to do.

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Even if you signed up to just fix stuff, they farm you out for a few months at a time to mess cook, laundry, Master-At-Arms, or the tool shed.

Skeptic Bob said:

I don’t think any join the police in order to kill. I think a lot join for the power trip and those kind of people are less likely to think twice before pulling the trigger. But if they just wanted to kill legally then wouldn’t they just join the military?

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Less than 20% of those who serve in the armed forces participate in combat directly.

Less than 60% of all homicides in this country, and all homicides are not murder, are resolved. A homicide is defined as a death caused by another human being.

"A four year old boy crosses a street with his mother in front of a parade. A marble slides down his leg into the street because of a hole in his pocket. A horse being ridden in the parade steps on the marble, loses his footing and knocks into the side of a beer wagon dispensing beer to parade spectators by lovely young women. A beer barrel bounces off the wagon into the street after the wagon tips toward its opposite side from where the horse knocked into the wagon. The beer barrel lands on a tuba player in a marching band following the beer wagon. His skull is crushed by the beer barrel. He dies and the parade goes on, with participants trying not to step on his corpse. Is it a case of death by horse or death by beer barrel? Neither. That 4 year old boy is a homicidal maniac." - Ring Lardner "No says Mrs. Lardner. The homicidal maniac was the boy's mother. It was her obligation to sew up any holes in the short pants of the boy." Ring Lardner was a great American satirist. This story was told at Ring's wake by his friend F. Scott Fitzgerald. Ring's real wife and widow Ellis said "Scotty, you know Ring never wrote in the narrative, have another drink to help you remember. With 4 boys of my own, I never sewed anything. Don't you call me a homicidal maniac!"

dirtpoorchris said:

ok what about acute statistics? Like how many cops do 5 shootings in a carreer? how many do 10? how many do 20? the guy that got to 20 is probably executing people.

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Answer your own question, with some evidence. Imagination will only get you so far { }.

Northern Light said:

There's a psychopathic element present among the authorities, like the police and the military, but they are a minority.

What modern technology shows us it that the government has done a poor job of weeding out these individuals and in fact tends to protect them.

As I've said previously, psychological profiling in the police force looks for things like inflexibility, the ability to follow orders, emotional detachment, objectivity and the ability to enforce rules and guidelines. They also tend to profile for an average to below average IQ in order to prohibit freelancing behavior and excessive critical thinking. Other branches of the police forces of course have different requirements but I'm talking about run of the mill police officers.

Unfortunately this same kind of profiling also fits the bill of psychopaths. It's a discrepancy that hasn't been dealt with adequately and doing so would reveal a flaw in the recruitment process and cast doubt on the whole organization.

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You'll find more psychopaths working as CEO's and in other executive positions, as artists, musicians, doctors, CPA's and careers that require intense focus. Very few psychopaths kill. See what you can learn when you get past Psyche 101?

OldFatGuy said:

You'll find more psychopaths working as CEO and in other executive positions, as artists, musicians, doctors, CPA's and careers that require intense focus. Very few psychopaths kill.

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Psychopaths make up a disproportionate number of the prison population, especially murderers and rapists. Whether a minority of them kill or not is irrelevant to their cohort being more likely to kill than non-psychopaths, meaning they are a higher risk group.

Yes it's true that psychos inhabit all strata of society, but I was pointing out that the police are one sector of society where profiling suits psychopaths more.

OldFatGuy said:

See what you can learn when you get past Psyche 101?

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Which I have and then some. Did you receive university education in psychology? Because I did.

Northern Light said:

Psychopaths make up a disproportionate number of the prison population, especially murderers and rapists. Whether a minority of them kill or not is irrelevant to their cohort being more likely to kill than non-psychopaths, meaning they are a higher risk group.

Yes it's true that psychos inhabit all strata of society, but I was pointing out that the police are one sector of society where profiling suits psychopaths more.



Which I have and then some. Did you receive university education in psychology? Because I did.

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Northern Light, may I ask you a polite unrelated to this thread, question about your university psychology education?
It was just an observation when i was in college, and I am sure you saw it too.
Especially with 101 students.
My PM is open to you if you prefer.

calamity said:

It depends. Do I need a cop, or am I running from one?

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LOL... best answer by far.

OldFatGuy said:

There's that paranoia again. I'm not out to "bother" you. I'm not new on this earth, I'm 69, been around the block a few times. I see what I see. And it is sad when anyone reacts to honest criticism with insults and false claims of being insulted.

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You see what you want to see... it is pathetic to find paranoia in a person with a differing opinion... in fact that is the sign of paranoia. Seeing paranoia where there is no paranoia.

PARANOIA!

Jeez... haven't heard that word in a while and here you are posting it in post after post...

PARANOIA!!! :lol:

Some people gain insight with age... some do not.

Jeesh...

Northern Light said:

Psychopaths make up a disproportionate number of the prison population, especially murderers and rapists. Whether a minority of them kill or not is irrelevant to their cohort being more likely to kill than non-psychopaths, meaning they are a higher risk group.

Yes it's true that psychos inhabit all strata of society, but I was pointing out that the police are one sector of society where profiling suits psychopaths more.



Which I have and then some. Did you receive university education in psychology? Because I did.

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He talks a lot but offers no evidence of any kind... but interestingly he ridicules those that also offer no evidence... and he posts about paranoia a lot.

Northern Light said:

Psychopaths make up a disproportionate number of the prison population, especially murderers and rapists. Whether a minority of them kill or not is irrelevant to their cohort being more likely to kill than non-psychopaths, meaning they are a higher risk group.

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Interesting. And we wonder why rehabilitation doesnt work?

PleasantValley said:

Northern Light, may I ask you a polite unrelated to this thread, question about your university psychology education?
It was just an observation when i was in college, and I am sure you saw it too.
Especially with 101 students.
My PM is open to you if you prefer.

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Sure send me a PM. My education was in the biological sciences but I took a number of psychology courses out of interest.

Northern Light said:

Psychopaths make up a disproportionate number of the prison population, especially murderers and rapists. Whether a minority of them kill or not is irrelevant to their cohort being more likely to kill than non-psychopaths, meaning they are a higher risk group.

Yes it's true that psychos inhabit all strata of society, but I was pointing out that the police are one sector of society where profiling suits psychopaths more.



Which I have and then some. Did you receive university education in psychology? Because I did.

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Providing proof to support these assertions would be amazing. And no, you were asserting a political opinion and agenda not pointing anything out.

Here, I'll give you a little help. Psychopath Definition May Be Different Than You Thought: 7 Facts About Psychopaths

Which came down the street first, the horse or the cart?

Psychopath is a relatively new word, first appearing to public notice not in psychiatric medical studies, but in the introduction to John Dos Passos' fictional trilogy U.S.A. Trilogy published 1938, the introduction first published separately 1919. Dos Passos did not invent the word, most give credit to journalist and author Jack London.

Bodhisattva said:

You see what you want to see... it is pathetic to find paranoia in a person with a differing opinion... in fact that is the sign of paranoia. Seeing paranoia where there is no paranoia.

PARANOIA!

Jeez... haven't heard that word in a while and here you are posting it in post after post...

PARANOIA!!! :lol:

Some people gain insight with age... some do not.

Jeesh...

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Whine, whine, whine. Some self insight could do you wonders.

akyron said:

"Jack Reacher: There are four types of people who join the military. For some, it's a family trade. Others are patriots, eager to serve. Next, you have those who just need a job. Than there's the kind who want a legal means of killing other people. "

When I saw that I felt he meant in a war.

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Thx.
That is a bizarre little piece.

dirtpoorchris said:

What about the officer that is going to the gun range 3 times a week? Little overboard dontcha think?

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Gun marksmanship is a rapidly diminishing skill. I wish I had the money to go 3 times a week.