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Death Penalty? Seriously?

ttwtt78640 said:
Why would intentional acts that resulted in homicide not be murder?
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Intentional act of danger to others does not equate to intentional act to kill...
 
Crovax said:
Well considering we just elected our most defective president ever, I don’t think that is the case
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Wow. How Trump factors in ... well... he doesn't. AT ALL.

****ing pathetic... :roll:
 
Crovax said:
***WOOSH***

That was the joke going right over your head
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It's "WHOOSH" and it must have been one Hell of a bad joke...
 
ttwtt78640 said:
There is absolutely nothing reasonable about throwing rocks into traffic. You lose.
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Reasonable doubt to causing injury to a human. Sorry... I win.

That is reasonable doubt. All that is needed for a Jury.
 
Bodhisattva said:


I am all for law and order but the Death Penalty?

Yes, they were reckless and dangerous and a man died and they must be held accountable. But Manslaughter. 5-10 in prison maybe for the actual thrower but a couple of them didn't do much. This seems like total overkill (pun intended).

Thoughts?

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I think I got the DP part wrong. Apologies... murder. Charged with Murder. That is still overkill.
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What happens if the prosecuter doesn't prove murder? Can the judge call it guilty of manslaughter or do they walk?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Reasonable doubt to causing injury to a human. Sorry... I win.

That is reasonable doubt. All that is needed for a Jury.
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There is no doubt as to the cause of death in this case - none at all.
 
Grand Mal said:
What happens if the prosecuter doesn't prove murder? Can the judge call it guilty of manslaughter or do they walk?
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My understanding is that the DA needs to include that as a charge as a back up in case murder fails...
 
ttwtt78640 said:
There is no doubt as to the cause of death in this case - none at all.
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Irrelevant. Literally. :shrug:

Since it is about intent to cause injury.

Sorry.
 
Bodhisattva said:
It's "WHOOSH" and it must have been one Hell of a bad joke...
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Well ill hold your hand through the joke

When people talked about how America was a racist nation, the common response was that we had elected a black president

So when Hawkeye said that America has no tolerance for defective people, my response was that we have elected a defective president

No super funny, but also not that deep or needing to require this much level of explanation :shrug:
 
Bodhisattva said:
Reasonable doubt to causing injury to a human. Sorry... I win.

That is reasonable doubt. All that is needed for a Jury.
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In many cases intent is irrelevant to the charge of second degree murder. Michigan law I quoted because that state was mentioned specifically.

Any death at the hands of another is technically homicide. Including accidents and self defense.

Murder falls under a subset of rules that I believe fit these young men.
 
Crovax said:
Well ill hold your hand through the joke

When people talked about how America was a racist nation, the common response was that we had elected a black president

So when Hawkeye said that America has no tolerance for defective people, my response was that we have elected a defective president

No super funny, but also not that deep or needing to require this much level of explanation :shrug:
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Your hand is sweaty...
 
Bodhisattva said:
Irrelevant. Literally. :shrug:

Since it is about intent to cause injury.

Sorry.
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Read and comprehend this:

The third main type of second degree murder occurs when a victim dies as a result of the perpetrators depraved indifference to human life. Depraved indifference to human life can mean different things in different jurisdictions, but in general it signifies that the perpetrator had an utter disregard for the potential damage to human life that their actions could cause.
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Second Degree Murder Overview - FindLaw
 
Fledermaus said:
In many cases intent is irrelevant to the charge of second degree murder. Michigan law I quoted because that state was mentioned specifically.

Any death at the hands of another is technically homicide. Including accidents and self defense.

Murder falls under a subset of rules that I believe fit these young men.
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I am assuming this is correct because I did not see a link...

A death caused by a reckless disregard for human life.

Reasonable doubt still applies.

Lawyer... kids were just trying to startle people but had really bad aim... done.

Reasonable doubt.
 
32 Year old father of 4, driving home, minding his own business when he was hit and killed by one of the rocks that they dropped. Apparently at least 20 rocks were found on the interstate, including one that weighed almost 20 pounds.

After killing the gentleman, they went off to McDonalds. Unbelievable.

No sympathy for the situation they find themselves in. They only have themselves to blame. Their actions killed a man. That's on them.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I am assuming this is correct because I did not see a link...

A death caused by a reckless disregard for human life.

Reasonable doubt still applies.

Lawyer... kids were just trying to startle people but had really bad aim... done.

Reasonable doubt.
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Post #13.

It really does not matter what their intent was. They showed reckless disregard for the people who were their target...

JMHO
 
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Fledermaus said:
Post #13.

It really does not matter what their intent was. They showed reckless disregard for the people who were their target...

JMHO
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I hear you and would argue the people were not their target... ;)
 
Dirt Sands said:
There's a reason why, for example, we don't try DWI deaths with murder. It's because they didn't intend to kill anybody. The prosecution must prove intent. I would want to throw away the key too but...I don't know. There actions were so horrific that I want them charged with murder anyway.

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What do you think they intended? To see if they could hit cars. When you drive drunk, your intent isnt to 'see if you cans.' The intent was to do harm.

And 15-17 year olds know that can kill.

2nd degree murder it is IMO.
 
Fishking said:
Your own definition doesn't fit the bill. You'd have prove their intent was to kill someone.
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Did you miss this? It was in red: death caused by a reckless disregard for human life.

15-17 yr olds dropping rocks onto cars is exactly that, they certainly knew it could lead to killing someone.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Scaring people? Denting hoods? Reasonable doubt established. I win.
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On cars going 50+ mph? Yeah, do you think 15-17 year olds are that stupid? They were stupid and recklessly negligent with human life, but that stupid? No, they knew what could happen.

Scare people at 50 mph and they drive their car into another lane or off the road and kill people.
 
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