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Who should write the use of force continuum?

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Who should be writing the use of force continuum and why? Do you believe certified law enforcement should be involved? Why or why not?


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Whoever has reallife experience should dictate use of force continuum.
 
Maccabee said:
Whoever has reallife experience should dictate use of force continuum.
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Many don't feel that way. They feel law enforcement is the last group who should be involved in writing the use of force doctrine.


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blackjack50 said:
Many don't feel that way. They feel law enforcement is the last group who should be involved in writing the use of force doctrine.


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Obviously the people... whom the police work for. Should dictate use of force to the cops.
 
Maccabee said:
Yes, To detain a suspect or defend one's self against an attack.
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So anybody who has been in a physical conflict is qualified?

Why does SCOTUS or Judges get any say if they haven't been ?
 
Bodhisattva said:
So anybody who has been in a physical conflict is qualified?
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They are certainly more qualified than internet Monday couch potatoes.
Why does SCOTUS or Judges get any say if they haven't been ?
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Because they based their judgments off of people who researched this.
 
Maccabee said:
They are certainly more qualified than internet Monday couch potatoes.

Because they based their judgments off of people who researched this.
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So again... who is qualified? I spent years in martial arts. Why don't I get a say as a citizen?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Obviously the people... whom the police work for. Should dictate use of force to the cops.
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Lmao. So if the people have no experience?


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Maccabee said:
They are certainly more qualified than internet Monday couch potatoes.

Because they based their judgments off of people who researched this.
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And the law of course. Legal experts.


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Bodhisattva said:
So again... who is qualified? I spent years in martial arts. Why don't I get a say as a citizen?
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You do. You can vote for sheriff can't you? How about police commissioners?


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blackjack50 said:
Who should be writing the use of force continuum and why? Do you believe certified law enforcement should be involved? Why or why not?


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I looked up what force continuum was and found:

A use of force continuum is a standard that provides law enforcement officers and civilians with guidelines as to how much force may be used against a resisting subject in a given situation.

And I thought 'as much as needed'. I'm guessing that's too simple of an answer. I mean do we have guidelines to say 'ok, just let them go if they resist too much'?
 
holbritter said:
I looked up what force continuum was and found:

A use of force continuum is a standard that provides law enforcement officers and civilians with guidelines as to how much force may be used against a resisting subject in a given situation.

And I thought 'as much as needed'. I'm guessing that's too simple of an answer. I mean do we have guidelines to say 'ok, just let them go if they resist too much'?
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Yes. A proper use of force guideline needs to define when hands on applies and when weapons can be used (from less lethal to deadly force). Nothing says let go of a resisting suspect.


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blackjack50 said:
Yes. A proper use of force guideline needs to define when hands on applies and when weapons can be used (from less lethal to deadly force). Nothing says let go of a resisting suspect.


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Ahhh, makes sense. Thanks
 
Bodhisattva said:
Straw Man...
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How? You said you want a say. What do you think your vote is? If you don't like the current policy...vote in someone you think is a better expert. Hell...you could run yourself if you like. No experience is required to be sheriff.

So tell me. Who should be writing the policies? You said the people...are you going to collect every citizens statements on how it should work? You realize someone actually has to sit down and write these don't you? So who should it be? A lawyer? Well should that lawyer have knowledge of physical altercations? Detention of a suspect? No law enforcement input as to why you shouldn't let a suspect go when they resist?


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blackjack50 said:
How? You said you want a say. What do you think your vote is? If you don't like the current policy...vote in someone you think is a better expert. Hell...you could run yourself if you like. No experience is required to be sheriff.

So tell me. Who should be writing the policies? You said the people...are you going to collect every citizens statements on how it should work? You realize someone actually has to sit down and write these don't you? So who should it be? A lawyer? Well should that lawyer have knowledge of physical altercations? Detention of a suspect? No law enforcement input as to why you shouldn't let a suspect go when they resist?


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The topic was continuum writing... not voting. Bye.
 
Bodhisattva said:
The topic was continuum writing... not voting. Bye.
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Running away from a valid section of the topic huh?

You said "we the people" should get a say.

You do.

You vote. That is your say. You just don't like that there is actually a response to your idiotic straw man gripe.

Now. You want to address who should be writing the actual use of force policies? Who is coming up with the ideas? The concepts? The reasons? Dude. You are obviously out of your depth here. I guess it is just easier to bitch and moan about how bad police tactics are huh? Rather than actually come up with reasons why and how they should change and tell us who should be writing their polices if it isn't actual educated experts with field experience as well as legal experts.

Funny how the rapid (or vapid?) anti coppers on this thread never have a valid response to the topics when cornered.


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blackjack50 said:
Running away from a valid section of the topic huh?

You said "we the people" should get a say.

You do.

You vote. That is your say. You just don't like that there is actually a response to your idiotic straw man gripe.

Now. You want to address who should be writing the actual use of force policies? Who is coming up with the ideas? The concepts? The reasons? Dude. You are obviously out of your depth here. I guess it is just easier to bitch and moan about how bad police tactics are huh? Rather than actually come up with reasons why and how they should change and tell us who should be writing their polices if it isn't actual educated experts with field experience as well as legal experts.

Funny how the rapid (or vapid?) anti coppers on this thread never have a valid response to the topics when cornered.


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Get a say on writing the continuum for fakes sake... i give up. Bye.
 
Maccabee said:
Because you never applied to be a position to say
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Point was non cop citizens should be telling the cops how much force cops should be able to use and non cop citizens should also be the ones to rule on shootings and use of forceincidents.
 
blackjack50 said:
How? You said you want a say. What do you think your vote is? If you don't like the current policy...vote in someone you think is a better expert. Hell...you could run yourself if you like. No experience is required to be sheriff.

So tell me. Who should be writing the policies? You said the people...are you going to collect every citizens statements on how it should work? You realize someone actually has to sit down and write these don't you? So who should it be? A lawyer? Well should that lawyer have knowledge of physical altercations? Detention of a suspect? No law enforcement input as to why you shouldn't let a suspect go when they resist?


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it should be someone with intelligence who is completely independent of the police force. A person that can objectively take information from police, from citizens, from martial arts experts and firearms experts. From the makers of non lethal products.. or researchers of these products, and from civil rights lawyers.. and come up with a force continuum that protects both the citizens.. and the police equally.
 
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