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Atlanta mom charged with murder after allegedly putting 2 young sons in oven

Aristaeus said:
Executing mentally ill people without a trial? You have the nerve to have a Jefferson quote in your sig, yet want to ignore the 6th amendment.
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You're only guessing she's mentally ill. Odds are, she's not.

And, I don't mind the trial so much as I think it's a waste of taxpayer money to go through the motions when the woman's admitted what she did.

But the bottom line is that she doesn't belong among the living.
 
HowardBThiname said:
You're only guessing she's mentally ill. Odds are, she's not.

And, I don't mind the trial so much as I think it's a waste of taxpayer money to go through the motions when the woman's admitted what she did.

But the bottom line is that she doesn't belong among the living.
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She cooked her two children; odds are she is.
 
Bodhisattva said:
So being crazy should give her a pass to a mental institution?
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You say that as though you think criminal commitment is a walk in the park.

Most criminally insane people spend more time in an institution than they would have if they'd gone to prison. In a case like this, probably life.

A lot of criminal asylums are also considerably rougher than many prisons.

If she's insane, yes, that's where she should go. If she's not... wow, she is just about the coldest person in the known universe.
 
HowardBThiname said:
You're only guessing she's mentally ill. Odds are, she's not.

And, I don't mind the trial so much as I think it's a waste of taxpayer money to go through the motions when the woman's admitted what she did.

But the bottom line is that she doesn't belong among the living.
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She should be evaluated.
 
Aristaeus said:
More likely to be mental health issues. I hope she is given a psychological evaluation before trial, but given that the American legal system sucks, I have my doubts.
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I agree that she should be given an evaluation. The rest is baiting. I posted a link to Andrea Yates. Our justice system seems to work, with all its faults, checks and balances. Not perfect, but what is?
 
Aristaeus said:
It would be a breach of the 8th amendment and illegal under US and international law.
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unfortunately - you are right. So just regular old capital punishment then.
 
Lovebug said:
I agree that she should be given an evaluation. The rest is baiting. I posted a link to Andrea Yates. Our justice system seems to work, with all its faults, checks and balances. Not perfect, but what is?
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No baiting. The US legal system is terrible. Mentally ill people sentenced to death, minors tried as adults, racism.
 
HowardBThiname said:
I'm dead serious. There is no fathomable reason for keeping that woman alive. Our society has suffered greatly from the influence of misguided liberals who want to pamper the worst criminals of our time. There is no "fixing" this woman. There is no forgiveness for what she did.

It is not honorable to pretend any rehabilitation is possible. Rather, it's counterproductive to a peaceful society.
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It is not modern liberals who decided the integrity of the justice system must be upheld in all cases lest we wind up on the slippery slope to either mob rule or plutocracy, which means all people get a trial. That's part of our Constitution. Explain to me what on earth Washington or Adams have to do with modern liberals.

Secondly, not all sentences are for the purpose of rehabilitation. There are plenty of cases where someone is deemed too dangerous, for one reason or another, to have any chance of either rehab or release.
 
haymarket said:
unfortunately - you are right. So just regular old capital punishment then.
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I'm sorry you don't get to torture mentally ill people to death.
 
Aristaeus said:
No baiting. The US legal system is terrible. Mentally ill people sentenced to death, minors tried as adults, racism.
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Then start a thread on our legal justice system.
 
haymarket said:
It would be justice.
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Well for a start it’s open to question whether that would be considered legitimate justice given the obvious open questions regarding her mental state, unless you’re suggesting this form of “justice” should be applied even for actions that people are intellectually incapable of understanding or unaware of at all?

Even then, you don’t address the key point; why? There’s no point in having “justice” just for the sake of it. You must believe there is some kind of positive practical consequence of doing that. Otherwise, what makes you any better than the murderer?
 
HonestJoe said:
Well for a start it’s open to question whether that would be considered legitimate justice given the obvious open questions regarding her mental state, unless you’re suggesting this form of “justice” should be applied even for actions that people are intellectually incapable of understanding or unaware of at all?

Even then, you don’t address the key point; why? There’s no point in having “justice” just for the sake of it. You must believe there is some kind of positive practical consequence of doing that. Otherwise, what makes you any better than the murderer?
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YOU have a point. If this woman is mentally ill - get her help and put her away forever. If she is not, then the death penalty would be appropriate.
 
haymarket said:
YOU have a point. If this woman is mentally ill - get her help and put her away forever. If she is not, then the death penalty would be appropriate.
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I wasn’t questioning the death penalty itself (though it raises some of the same issues), I was questioning your suggestion she should be killed in the same manner as her victims. That suggests it isn’t only about ending her life but that there is some kind of benefit from making her suffer first. I’m not convinced you could give any more sane a reason for that than she could for what she did in the first place, something I’d hope would give people pause for reflection on their instinctive reactions to this kind thing. :cool:
 
HonestJoe said:
I wasn’t questioning the death penalty itself (though it raises some of the same issues), I was questioning your suggestion she should be killed in the same manner as her victims. That suggests it isn’t only about ending her life but that there is some kind of benefit from making her suffer first. I’m not convinced you could give any more sane a reason for that than she could for what she did in the first place, something I’d hope would give people pause for reflection on their instinctive reactions to this kind thing. :cool:
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You are right. I was reacting emotionally.
 
Aristaeus said:
She cooked her two children; odds are she is.
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More likely she's just a product of the me-me-me generation that discovered caring for children took up too much of her precious time and effort. She wasn't the center of the universe anymore and they were taking attention away from her. She likely resented them, which is why she tortured them to death.

That's not mentally ill -- that's just a mean, self-centered person who doesn't deserve to keep living.
 
HowardBThiname said:
More likely she's just a product of the me-me-me generation that discovered caring for children took up too much of her precious time and effort. She wasn't the center of the universe anymore and they were taking attention away from her. She likely resented them, which is why she tortured them to death.

That's not mentally ill -- that's just a mean, self-centered person who doesn't deserve to keep living.
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I suspect there is much truth in what you just said. The case of Casey Anthony comes to mind.
 
HowardBThiname said:
That's not mentally ill -- that's just a mean, self-centered person who doesn't deserve to keep living.
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Wouldn’t that imply that there could be rational reasons for torturing innocent children to death, they just didn’t apply in this case?
 
HowardBThiname said:
More likely she's just a product of the me-me-me generation that discovered caring for children took up too much of her precious time and effort. She wasn't the center of the universe anymore and they were taking attention away from her. She likely resented them, which is why she tortured them to death.

That's not mentally ill -- that's just a mean, self-centered person who doesn't deserve to keep living.
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Sorry. The sane response to feeling that your children are too much effort is not to cook them alive in the oven.
 
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