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Shooter’s Father Has a Seamy Past

Well, psychopathy runs in the family :shock:
 
The shooter, according to reports, was 64 years old. One would think that his father's influence has significantly waned over that time.

I'm not sure why information such as this is even newsworthy.



Well, it does kind of make you wonder. I don't know if psychopathy is considered inheritable, or resulting from early influences, exactly.... if I'm not mistaken it used to be viewed as largely inborn though.

But again, at this point, who knows. We may never know exactly what his motives were.
 
Well, it does kind of make you wonder. I don't know if psychopathy is considered inheritable, or resulting from early influences, exactly.... if I'm not mistaken it used to be viewed as largely inborn though.

But again, at this point, who knows. We may never know exactly what his motives were.

But we do know the means with which he executed 60 people in 60 seconds. Perhaps that contributed to his madness.
 
The shooter, according to reports, was 64 years old. One would think that his father's influence has significantly waned over that time.

I'm not sure why information such as this is even newsworthy.


I did not make it newsworthy. Are you not still a product of your parents, childhood and environment? I think heredity has been studies for centuries. Apples and trees and all that.........
 
But we do know the means with which he executed 60 people in 60 seconds. Perhaps that contributed to his madness.


Inanimate objects, well other than drugs, don't inflict mental illness in and of themselves.
 
Ya, is the FBI simply assuming this? Even if so that does not mean that he did not do this in the name of DAESH.

It’s ok, let it go....
 
Inanimate objects, well other than drugs, don't inflict mental illness in and of themselves.

I'm not so sure of that unfortunately. The mere availability of such deadly weapons could very well instigate a twisted mind to make their designed and intended use a reality.
 
Well, it does kind of make you wonder. I don't know if psychopathy is considered inheritable, or resulting from early influences, exactly.... if I'm not mistaken it used to be viewed as largely inborn though.

But again, at this point, who knows. We may never know exactly what his motives were.

Like all personality disorders, it seems to be a combination of both, with no single factor accounting for a vast majority of cases. However, it would be unusual to have a severely psychopathic individual who made it to his 60's and had absolutely no brushes with the law whatsoever. Not impossible -- obviously this dude was seriously unhinged no matter what the case -- but unusual. And hey, EVERYTHING about this story is unusual, so who's to say.

But a second thing is that his father would have been diagnosed many decades ago, and I think they may have used the term differently than they do now. So what exactly they meant by psychopathy, back in the 60's or 70's or whatever, I'm not 100% sure.

As you say, this may be one where we never entirely know the motive. So far, this shooting doesn't follow the script of any of our usual mass shooter profiles. Perhaps the answer will be in his internet history when they find that. Perhaps we'll never know.
 
I actually found the interview with the brother rather weird. He was half-way laughing, and speaking quite strangely... paused many times to think of the right/appropriate thing to say. I just found it weird, not accusing the guy of being anything xD.
 
Like all personality disorders, it seems to be a combination of both, with no single factor accounting for a vast majority of cases. However, it would be unusual to have a severely psychopathic individual who made it to his 60's and had absolutely no brushes with the law whatsoever. Not impossible -- obviously this dude was seriously unhinged no matter what the case -- but unusual. And hey, EVERYTHING about this story is unusual, so who's to say.

But a second thing is that his father would have been diagnosed many decades ago, and I think they may have used the term differently than they do now. So what exactly they meant by psychopathy, back in the 60's or 70's or whatever, I'm not 100% sure.

As you say, this may be one where we never entirely know the motive. So far, this shooting doesn't follow the script of any of our usual mass shooter profiles. Perhaps the answer will be in his internet history when they find that. Perhaps we'll never know.


I do find it really odd that a 64yo with no felonies, and to our knowledge at this time no known history of mental illness, and (repeat previous caveats) no known ties to extremists, goes through an apparently elaborate plot with a lengthy setup whose end is to kill scores of strangers for no obvious reason.

Very hard to make any sense out of. One would think in an absence of political or terrroristic agenda, there would have to be mental illness involved.


I mean, shooting a bunch of random strangers at a country music concert??
 
Well, it does kind of make you wonder. I don't know if psychopathy is considered inheritable, or resulting from early influences, exactly.... if I'm not mistaken it used to be viewed as largely inborn though.

But again, at this point, who knows. We may never know exactly what his motives were.

IIRC psychopathy is actually heavily influenced by our younger years.


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I do find it really odd that a 64yo with no felonies, and to our knowledge at this time no known history of mental illness, and (repeat previous caveats) no known ties to extremists, goes through an apparently elaborate plot with a lengthy setup whose end is to kill scores of strangers for no obvious reason.

Very hard to make any sense out of. One would think in an absence of political or terrroristic agenda, there would have to be mental illness involved.


I mean, shooting a bunch of random strangers at a country music concert??

Yeah. A shooting at a country concert is the sort of thing where I would have expected ISIL, or someone like the Dallas shooter, or even the more "typical" late teens/early 20's male who has a psychotic disorder that is beginning to manifest and not being treated. But a retiree with no criminal history and, at this point, no psychiatric history?

He even seems to have waited for his girlfriend to not be around (given that the police don't seem to think she had any involvement), so currently, no known collusion either. "Group think" where the two egged each other on is the last remaining thing that makes any sense, but so far we don't see that either.

I really have no idea.
 
I actually found the interview with the brother rather weird. He was half-way laughing, and speaking quite strangely... paused many times to think of the right/appropriate thing to say. I just found it weird, not accusing the guy of being anything xD.

Saw that too.

Actually, i think he was shocked more then anything. How do you react to the news that a family member went on a killing spree at a public venue?
 
The shooter, according to reports, was 64 years old. One would think that his father's influence has significantly waned over that time.

I'm not sure why information such as this is even newsworthy.

Maybe, maybe not.

The father of the shooter was living in Arlington Texas when he died in 1998. The shooter also lived in Texas. He managed apartment buildings. At the time of his father's death he would have been 45.
Las Vegas shooting: Gunman's father on FBI Most Wanted list, born in Sheboygan

From Texas he moved to Florida for two years and purchased a new stucco home. According to a Florida newspaper he also went by aliases. Perry Archer, Benjamin J. Butler, and Leo Genstein, among others, which may be a reason why nothing has turned up on the name Stephen Paddock.

Las Vegas shooter Paddock has Central Florida connections | Miami Herald

According to a CNN account which I do not have the link to but stated the shooter lived in California for a time too and it appears that he had several guns registered to him, many from California but none of them appear to be among the arsenal he amassed in his hotel room. He is a very wealthy man, owns several properties including two private aircrafts.
 
Maybe, maybe not.

The father of the shooter was living in Arlington Texas when he died in 1998. The shooter also lived in Texas. He managed apartment buildings. At the time of his father's death he would have been 45.
Las Vegas shooting: Gunman's father on FBI Most Wanted list, born in Sheboygan

From Texas he moved to Florida for two years and purchased a new stucco home. According to a Florida newspaper he also went by aliases. Perry Archer, Benjamin J. Butler, and Leo Genstein, among others, which may be a reason why nothing has turned up on the name Stephen Paddock.

Las Vegas shooter Paddock has Central Florida connections | Miami Herald

According to a CNN account which I do not have the link to but stated the shooter lived in California for a time too and it appears that he had several guns registered to him, many from California but none of them appear to be among the arsenal he amassed in his hotel room. He is a very wealthy man, owns several properties including two private aircrafts.

I'll wait for more information to come in before I start guessing what his motives are. Jumping to conclusions just seems like too much exercise these days.
 
I'll wait for more information to come in before I start guessing what his motives are. Jumping to conclusions just seems like too much exercise these days.

I agree. I don't think anyone could possibly know his motives. But that he was living in Texas the same time as his father is not something that should be pushed off as not being significant at this time either. Nor the reporting that he went by aliases. Usually people don't go by aliases unless they have something to hide.
 
Now the ABC affiliate in Vegas are now reporting the shooter had amassed 20 guns in his hotel arsenal.
 
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