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Does anyone have numbers/stats on police violence for black vs white?

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We hear a lot about it, but I want to know about the numbers. And where they came from.
 
Any numbers available on stuff like that is going to be REALLY limited.

First, all use of force incidents would need to be reported and that's unlikely to happen.

Second, there would need to be uniform use of force reporting standards. For example, detaining a compliant suspect in handcuffs would need to be reported differently than detaining a non-compliant suspect in handcuffs and, in the latter situation, the description of what made the detention non-compliant would need to be included.

Third, the circumstances of every engagement would need to be reported in detail. For instance, was the initial contact the result of a complaint or due to observed activity on the part of the contacting officer. Again, detailed reporting would be required for ALL contacts.

Bottom line, in order to generate useful statistics on this kind of thing the cops would need to spend 3-5 times as much time documenting contacts than they do now. Also, because those reports would be generated by the cops there would be no third party review possible unless, of course, a "watcher" was sent on each engagement.

Look, people want everything to be shown in detail on video with replay analysis and outside commentary. That's simply not possible and definitely not practical. How the heck are you supposed to get good camera angles when the cops and the suspect are rolling around in a parking lot fighting over a chunk of crack cocaine? Life IS NOT a reality TV show. It doesn't have a script or a pause button. It also doesn't happen entirely within the confines of a Facebook video or a couple of Tweets. People just need to back off and take a look at the big picture from time to time. They need to exercise a little bit of the empathy they keep talking about and honestly place themselves in the shoes of the cops AND the suspects before they start jumping to conclusions.

Finally, people need to be patient. They need to understand that no matter what they see it's being filtered through their own perceptions and may not be "fact". They may not have the full context of what prompted the things they saw. They may, if they're really honest, want to give the courtesy of treating the parties involved as they would like to be treated if they were the ones being observed.
 
We hear a lot about it, but I want to know about the numbers. And where they came from.

They're in the net, but you'd have to look for them. But I don't really think that that is the heart of the problem and is only blown up as a topic that can be emotionalized easily and used to prop up the floundering civil rights mythology. This is stumbling over the relative numbers of Black on Black violence that make five decades of legislation, programs and spending seem to have been misdirected.
 
This seems to fall under there are lies, damned lies and statistics. First of all, police action staitistics would naturally come from the police (internal investigation results?) departments themselves making them very hard to accept as being accurate or from anonymous "victim" surveys which are also one-sided affairs purporting all manner of evils occuring on a regualr basis.
 
We hear a lot about it, but I want to know about the numbers. And where they came from.

Not sure what you are asking for

The use of violence of black police officers on white non police officers?

Or just the rate of violence of blacks on whites in general
 
We hear a lot about it, but I want to know about the numbers. And where they came from.

Yep..

https://law.yale.edu/system/files/area/workshop/leo/leo16_fryer.pdf

Another:

We analyzed 990 police fatal shootings using data compiled by The Washington Post in 2015. After first providing a basic descriptive analysis of these shootings, we then examined the data for evidence of implicit bias by using multivariate regression models that predict two indicators of threat perception failure: (1) whether the civilian was not attacking the officer(s) or other civilians just before being fatally shot and (2) whether the civilian was unarmed when fatally shot. The results indicated civilians from “other” minority groups were significantly more likely than Whites to have not been attacking the officer(s) or other civilians and that Black civilians were more than twice as likely as White civilians to have been unarmed.

A Bird's Eye View of Civilians Killed by Police in 2015 - Nix - 2017 - Criminology & Public Policy - Wiley Online Library
 
We hear a lot about it, but I want to know about the numbers. And where they came from.

I put one up from Washington Post, said in first 6 months of this year police had shot 27 unarmed men of whom 7 were black.
 
Thing is there isn't a uniform reporting of this stuff to anyone, so reliable stats are hard to come by.
 
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