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It seems many of the folks under investigation have recently had sharply increased lawyer fees, to the point where outside funds may be needed for their continued defense.

And despite Donald Trump's insistence that he is not under investigation, there is apparently some rumor that Mueller is going to be pursuing the obstruction of justice charge soon against the president.

Mueller Is ?Going for the Kill? on Trump-Russia Investigation, Republicans Believe: Report

What was that about locking someone up again?
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But before the never-Trumpers get too hopeful or excited about all this, I just have 3 words to help deflate your enthusiasm a little:
President Mike Pence.
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ataraxia said:
It seems many of the folks under investigation have recently had sharply increased lawyer fees, to the point where outside funds may be needed for their continued defense.

And despite Donald Trump's insistence that he is not under investigation, there is apparently some rumor that Mueller is going to be pursuing the obstruction of justice charge soon against the president.

Mueller Is ?Going for the Kill? on Trump-Russia Investigation, Republicans Believe: Report

What was that about locking someone up again?
__________________
But before the never-Trumpers get too hopeful or excited about all this, I just have 3 words to help deflate your enthusiasm a little:
President Mike Pence.
:shock:
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I thought a sitting president couldn't be indicted. Doesn't Mueller have to wait until Trump is out of office. Of course congress could impeach him, but I don't think that will happen any time soon, if ever.
 
ataraxia said:
It seems many of the folks under investigation have recently had sharply increased lawyer fees, to the point where outside funds may be needed for their continued defense.

And despite Donald Trump's insistence that he is not under investigation, there is apparently some rumor that Mueller is going to be pursuing the obstruction of justice charge soon against the president.

Mueller Is ?Going for the Kill? on Trump-Russia Investigation, Republicans Believe: Report

What was that about locking someone up again?
__________________
But before the never-Trumpers get too hopeful or excited about all this, I just have 3 words to help deflate your enthusiasm a little:
President Mike Pence.
:shock:
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Prosecutors are experts in causing pain, it is one of the most used tools.
 
ataraxia said:
It seems many of the folks under investigation have recently had sharply increased lawyer fees, to the point where outside funds may be needed for their continued defense.

And despite Donald Trump's insistence that he is not under investigation, there is apparently some rumor that Mueller is going to be pursuing the obstruction of justice charge soon against the president.

Mueller Is ?Going for the Kill? on Trump-Russia Investigation, Republicans Believe: Report

What was that about locking someone up again?
__________________
But before the never-Trumpers get too hopeful or excited about all this, I just have 3 words to help deflate your enthusiasm a little:
President Mike Pence.
:shock:
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Original source: https://www.axios.com/mueller-haunts-the-west-wing-2484317509.html

Nakedly partisan site with anonymous sources. Same rumor mill stuff that's been going around for several months now.
 
bearpoker said:
I thought a sitting president couldn't be indicted. Doesn't Mueller have to wait until Trump is out of office. Of course congress could impeach him, but I don't think that will happen any time soon, if ever.
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That is just an opinion expressed during Watergate. The grand jury actually wanted to indict Nixon but the special prosecutor was not sure about that legality so he was named as an unindicted co-conspirator. That issue has never been definitively ruled upon.
 
bearpoker said:
I thought a sitting president couldn't be indicted. Doesn't Mueller have to wait until Trump is out of office. Of course congress could impeach him, but I don't think that will happen any time soon, if ever.
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The bolded seems to be a grey area, that has never been judicially decided.

So what a mess. If Mueller indicts, the Pres responds with "no". Then Constitutional crisis.

I do agree with you in that it's highly unlikely a GOP Congress will impeach Trump, as long as he holds reasonable approval ratings within the rank & file GOP voters. They could care less about approval from non-GOP citizens. The one exception to them not impeaching, might be if the SCOTUS were to rule against Trump. That might lead to a Constitutional crisis even the GOP would have no stomach for.
 
ataraxia said:
It seems many of the folks under investigation have recently had sharply increased lawyer fees, to the point where outside funds may be needed for their continued defense.

And despite Donald Trump's insistence that he is not under investigation, there is apparently some rumor that Mueller is going to be pursuing the obstruction of justice charge soon against the president.

Mueller Is ?Going for the Kill? on Trump-Russia Investigation, Republicans Believe: Report

What was that about locking someone up again?
__________________
But before the never-Trumpers get too hopeful or excited about all this, I just have 3 words to help deflate your enthusiasm a little:
President Mike Pence.
:shock:
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Not much (if any) more about what (if any) effect these meetings and (proposed?) dealings had on the electoral process. It seems that the focus is now on contact of any kind with team Trump and any Russian. The theory seems to be that since Trump wanted Hillary to lose and Russia wanted Hillary to lose that there absolutely must have been collusion. Nobody, that wanted Trump to lose, is even being considered for prosecution for *gasp* talking to, meeting with doing business with a foreign national before the POTUS election.

Yes, team Trump bit on an offer to get dirt on Hillary but that appears to be the extent of it - no dirt appears to have actually been found or tendered. Yes, team Trump met with Russians (and many other foreigners) in the course of planning real estate deals - no specific deal has been shown to be a "payoff" or in any way illegal.

So, the plan now seems to be that the reason for hundreds of investigators in over a year having found nothing that can be used to prosecute (impeach?) Trump is that justice must have been obstructed (yet no particulars of how appear to be offered). Bingo, let's just go with that obstruction as the real crime, even though any alleged "election rigging" collusion had to have been long before Trump was POTUS and longer before Comey was fired - so how did Trump obstruct anything before he won the the election that he allegedly colluded to win?
 
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Chomsky said:
The bolded seems to be a grey area, that has never been judicially decided.

So what a mess. If Mueller indicts, the Pres responds with "no". Then Constitutional crisis.

I do agree with you in that it's highly unlikely a GOP Congress will impeach Trump, as long as he holds reasonable approval ratings within the rank & file GOP voters. They could care less about approval from non-GOP citizens. The one exception to them not impeaching, might be if the SCOTUS were to rule against Trump. That might lead to a Constitutional crisis even the GOP would have no stomach for.
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January of 2019. That is when impeachment begins in earnest in the House.
 
ataraxia said:
It seems many of the folks under investigation have recently had sharply increased lawyer fees, to the point where outside funds may be needed for their continued defense.

And despite Donald Trump's insistence that he is not under investigation, there is apparently some rumor that Mueller is going to be pursuing the obstruction of justice charge soon against the president.

Mueller Is ?Going for the Kill? on Trump-Russia Investigation, Republicans Believe: Report

What was that about locking someone up again?
__________________
But before the never-Trumpers get too hopeful or excited about all this, I just have 3 words to help deflate your enthusiasm a little:
President Mike Pence.
:shock:
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"There is apparently some rumor..." Really??
 
OpportunityCost said:
Original source: https://www.axios.com/mueller-haunts-the-west-wing-2484317509.html

Nakedly partisan site with anonymous sources. Same rumor mill stuff that's been going around for several months now.
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And do you doubt the vast majority reported to through this site and the mainstream media is true?

Have you seen everyone from Trump down, lawyering-up? The changing stories that come out of the White House as the media ferrets out the truth to Trump and his administration's lies?
 
Chomsky said:
The bolded seems to be a grey area, that has never been judicially decided.

So what a mess. If Mueller indicts, the Pres responds with "no". Then Constitutional crisis.

I do agree with you in that it's highly unlikely a GOP Congress will impeach Trump, as long as he holds reasonable approval ratings within the rank & file GOP voters. They could care less about approval from non-GOP citizens. The one exception to them not impeaching, might be if the SCOTUS were to rule against Trump. That might lead to a Constitutional crisis even the GOP would have no stomach for.
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It's not a constitutional crisis. If he has been found by Mueller to have committed crimes of politics, 1) He will resign and Pence will pardon him or, 2) if they are not related to politics such as business fraud he will be indicted.

Time to be schooled.
To impeach the president all that has to happen is that first the presidential cabinets vote based upon majority on whether the president is fit and, two, from that point it goes to the House of Representatives in which a simple majority can impeach the president.

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Last week the Righties were claiming as there had been no new leaks in the Russian investigation there was no news too report. Now there is new info, and the same Righties are claiming its fake news. And to think, if Trump had kept his pie hole shut, and NOT fired Comey, there would be no Mueller investigation, that one must suck for the Liar in Chief and his dwindling deplorables.

See you at the hearings !!
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Not much (if any) more about what (if any) effect these meetings and (proposed?) dealings had on the electoral process. It seems that the focus is now on contact of any kind with team Trump and any Russian. The theory seems to be that since Trump wanted Hillary to lose and Russia wanted Hillary to lose that there absolutely must have been collusion. Nobody, that wanted Trump to lose, is even being considered for prosecution for *gasp* talking to, meeting with doing business with a foreign national before the POTUS election.

Yes, team Trump bit on an offer to get dirt on Hillary but that appears to be the extent of it - no dirt appears to have actually been found or tendered. Yes, team Trump met with Russians (and many other foreigners) in the course of planning real estate deals - no specific deal has been shown to be a "payoff" or in any way illegal.
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And you know this, how?

So, the plan now seems to be that the reason for hundreds of investigators in over a year having found nothing that can be used to prosecute (impeach?) Trump is that justice must have been obstructed (yet no particulars of how appear to be offered). Bingo, let's just go with that obstruction as the real crime, even though any alleged "election rigging" collusion had to have been long before Trump was POTUS and longer before Comey was fired - so how did Trump obstruct anything before he won the the election that he allegedly colluded to win?
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I will remind you many have fallen by obstructing, ending-up behind bars. A felony is a felony, no matter how you cut it.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Not much (if any) more about what (if any) effect these meetings and (proposed?) dealings had on the electoral process. It seems that the focus is now on contact of any kind with team Trump and any Russian. The theory seems to be that since Trump wanted Hillary to lose and Russia wanted Hillary to lose that there absolutely must have been collusion. Nobody, that wanted Trump to lose, is even being considered for prosecution for *gasp* talking to, meeting with doing business with a foreign national before the POTUS election.

Yes, team Trump bit on an offer to get dirt on Hillary but that appears to be the extent of it - no dirt appears to have actually been found or tendered. Yes, team Trump met with Russians (and many other foreigners) in the course of planning real estate deals - no specific deal has been shown to be a "payoff" or in any way illegal.

So, the plan now seems to be that the reason for hundreds of investigators in over a year having found nothing that can be used to prosecute (impeach?) Trump is that justice must have been obstructed (yet no particulars of how appear to be offered). Bingo, let's just go with that obstruction as the real crime, even though any alleged "election rigging" collusion had to have been long before Trump was POTUS and longer before Comey was fired - so how did Trump obstruct anything before he won the the election that he allegedly colluded to win?
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I thought the Liar in Chief claimed he had NO dealings with Russia. We know now that was another lie from the CIC with zero integrity.
 
Chomsky said:
And do you doubt the vast majority reported to through this site and the mainstream media is true?

Have you seen everyone from Trump down, lawyering-up? The changing stories that come out of the White House as the media ferrets out the truth to Trump and his administration's lies?
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To say nothing of the unending stream of lies from the WH and Trump's admin about Russian ties, contacts and meetings.
 
Dirt Sands said:
It's not a constitutional crisis. If he has been found by Mueller to have committed crimes of politics, 1) He will resign and Pence will pardon him or, 2) if they are not related to politics such as business fraud he will be indicted.

Time to be schooled.
To impeach the president all that has to happen is that first the presidential cabinets vote based upon majority on whether the president is fit and, two, from that point it goes to the House of Representatives in which a simple majority can impeach the president.

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This would so ironic for someone who based his whole campaign on "Lock Her Up" for totally "trumped up" charges. :lol:
 
Dirt Sands said:
It's not a constitutional crisis. If he has been found by Mueller to have committed crimes of politics, 1) He will resign and Pence will pardon him or, 2) if they are not related to politics such as business fraud he will be indicted.
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You know this? How?

Time to be schooled.
To impeach the president all that has to happen is that first the presidential cabinets vote based upon majority on whether the president is fit and, two, from that point it goes to the House of Representatives in which a simple majority can impeach the president.

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You know the cabinet will move against him using the 25th? You know the House will vote to impeach? And the Senate will convict?

That's a lot of supposition on your part. Particularly that the GOP will move against him, which I highly doubt they will based upon Mueller alone. I'm betting it would take a SCOTUS ruling before they act. Unless of course Trump loses popularity amongst the GOP rank & file voters; then they'll drop him in a heartbeat for Pence.
 
Chomsky said:
And do you doubt the vast majority reported to through this site and the mainstream media is true?

Have you seen everyone from Trump down, lawyering-up? The changing stories that come out of the White House as the media ferrets out the truth to Trump and his administration's lies?
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With that headline, I want to see the names of the Republicans saying what's in the damn headline.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
To say nothing of the unending stream of lies from the WH and Trump's admin about Russian ties, contacts and meetings.
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As of Monday the count of trump lies stands at 1,145 since being sworn in.
 
yankintx said:
I thought the Liar in Chief claimed he had NO dealings with Russia. We know now that was another lie from the CIC with zero integrity.
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OK, so are you saying that congress critters (professional liars?) are going to vote to convict (after voting to impeach) the POTUS (liar in chief?) for lying? I seriously doubt it - see Bill "I did not have sex with that woman" Clinton since that too was a easily proven lie to a yes or no question. To quote another famous liar "What difference, at this point, does it make?".

It may be interesting to see who wants Pence over Trump if anyone ever gets around to starting the impeachment process in the House.
 
ataraxia said:
It seems many of the folks under investigation have recently had sharply increased lawyer fees, to the point where outside funds may be needed for their continued defense.

And despite Donald Trump's insistence that he is not under investigation, there is apparently some rumor that Mueller is going to be pursuing the obstruction of justice charge soon against the president.

Mueller Is ?Going for the Kill? on Trump-Russia Investigation, Republicans Believe: Report

What was that about locking someone up again?
__________________
But before the never-Trumpers get too hopeful or excited about all this, I just have 3 words to help deflate your enthusiasm a little:
President Mike Pence.
:shock:
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Bite your tongue. :shock: lol
 
Chomsky said:
You know this? How?

You know the cabinet will move against him using the 25th? You know the House will vote to impeach? And the Senate will convict?

That's a lot of supposition on your part. Particularly that the GOP will move against him, which I highly doubt they will based upon Mueller alone. I'm betting it would take a SCOTUS ruling before they act. Unless of course Trump loses popularity amongst the GOP rank & file voters; then they'll drop him in a heartbeat for Pence.
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The only way he gets his pardon is if he quits. I had a thread called Will Trump Quit. He quits to get the pardon to stay out of prison. That's how I know. He's only president to market his brand. When he realizes that he will lose all his money and that will make him quit.

The scenarios that I described require only a simple majority.

Trump will quit.


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bearpoker said:
I thought a sitting president couldn't be indicted. Doesn't Mueller have to wait until Trump is out of office. Of course congress could impeach him, but I don't think that will happen any time soon, if ever.
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Legal opinions vary on that.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/22/us/politics/can-president-be-indicted-kenneth-starr-memo.html
WASHINGTON — A newfound memo from Kenneth W. Starr’s independent counsel investigation into President Bill Clinton sheds fresh light on a constitutional puzzle that is taking on mounting significance amid the Trump-Russia inquiry: Can a sitting president be indicted?

The 56-page memo, locked in the National Archives for nearly two decades and obtained by The New York Times under the Freedom of Information Act, amounts to the most thorough government-commissioned analysis rejecting a generally held view that presidents are immune from prosecution while in office.
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