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Cops beating people

Dirt Sands said:
Two days before Harvey, while walking from the transit train to the 7/11 across the street in Miami, I witnessed a police officer with his baton held high over his head in a striking position, threaten an old homeless man. The cop wanted him to leave and the old man was yelling. I thought how can this be legal? I was so offended!

Should laws be changed to more easily prosecute cops for beating people?

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Truly this sounds like a big story. First an officer is not going to hold his baton over his head. No one is trained to do that.
Seems you get offended pretty easy. What was going on before you arrived?
 
Dirt Sands said:
Two days before Harvey, while walking from the transit train to the 7/11 across the street in Miami, I witnessed a police officer with his baton held high over his head in a striking position, threaten an old homeless man. The cop wanted him to leave and the old man was yelling. I thought how can this be legal? I was so offended!

Should laws be changed to more easily prosecute cops for beating people?

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The role of police is to be a club held over the populace. What you saw is what is meant to be.
 


This is a traffic stop, he may have been guilty of what they are charging him, but the officer does not give the man even the ability to take off his seat belt and comply before the officer starts kneeing and kicking the guy.
 
Dirt Sands said:
What if it were you? You see cops on the news every f**"in day beating people. What he did before I arrived was he was homeless and old. What if that were your grand- father? You think that's funny? Sorry we're not Nazi Germany. You think they should be able to beat people Carte Blanch?

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You sir, are my hero,, You saw a cop in Miami Just before the hurricane struck, threaten a homeless man to get him to move.. You were offended,, I wonder, would you be less offended had you walked down the street a day after the storm and saw the same homeless man floating face down ? You were offended that the cop just may have saved that mans life..

Also,, Since you care so much,, did you run over to the policeman as say,, I will take care of this man officer, he will come home with me until the storm is over.. You can bet your a$$ you did not.. what did you do? you got on this website and shared your "passion" for the homeless..

Oh,, and if it was my Grandfather, he would not be homeless..

If you do a little research you will find that police had to force MANY homeless people to move out of the danger zone..

djl
 
holbritter said:
I don't trust edited videos. There obviously something missing between when the guy got up and when they were suddenly across the room.
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I don't trust people who deny what they see. You were raised to believe you're supposed to trust cops as I was.

You have got to not be so naive. This is happening every day. In America, we don't torture. We are to be treated with dignity.

I'm a moderate and I'm outraged, absolutely petrified at this behavior. It's seems that I have something else to be outraged about; the "I don't give a ****" attitude.

These kind of people expose themselves for what they really are. Ignorant to the extreme!

The politically correct term is Social Justice. My term for it is humanity.

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MaggieD said:
I hope you're not directing your frustration at me.
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Did you report the cop? Not sure what you'd report, though. You are assuming the Youtube videos you've seen didn't result in charges against the cop. I wouldn't be surprised if many of them did. There are bad people in every profession, DS. And there are certainly bad cops out there.
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No dear, not you. Your comment isn't what set me off. He was not struck.

But a raised butan is a terroristic threat.

This is why I'm asking the question:. Should the law be changed to get these thuggish cops.


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Common Sense 1 said:
Truly this sounds like a big story. First an officer is not going to hold his baton over his head. No one is trained to do that.
Seems you get offended pretty easy. What was going on before you arrived?
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Yes, the officer had his hand in the air with a baton in it. This is the point. Should the law be changed to hold them accountable. Do you not have a moral problem with this happening to an old man?

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Dirt Sands said:
Yes, the officer had his hand in the air with a baton in it. This is the point. Should the law be changed to hold them accountable. Do you not have a moral problem with this happening to an old man?

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I have no problem with what the copper did as long as he didn't strike him. How frustrating must it be for a cop to get three separate radio calls at three separate times to get a homeless person to move along? And, you'll say, "We don't know that he was there three separate times.... And I agree. But we don't know that he wasn't...
 
Dirt Sands said:
I don't trust people who deny what they see. You were raised to believe you're supposed to trust cops as I was.

You have got to not be so naive. This is happening every day. In America, we don't torture. We are to be treated with dignity.

I'm a moderate and I'm outraged, absolutely petrified at this behavior. It's seems that I have something else to be outraged about; the "I don't give a ****" attitude.

These kind of people expose themselves for what they really are. Ignorant to the extreme!

The politically correct term is Social Justice. My term for it is humanity.

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I believe what I see. Too bad the video doesn't show all that should be seen. Don't blame me for knowing g I'm nothing seeing the whole thing. Most people would like ALL the facts before condemning anyone.
 
MaggieD said:
I have no problem with what the copper did as long as he didn't strike him. How frustrating must it be for a cop to get three separate radio calls at three separate times to get a homeless person to move along? And, you'll say, "We don't know that he was there three separate times.... And I agree. But we don't know that he wasn't...
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What's different is the threat of being beat. It's obviously never happened to you so you don't believe the circumstances.

You mean to tell me that you are unaware that, despite videos of police brutality, that police are getting away with brutalizing people. Your completely unaware?

This is why social justice is a top three issue in '18 and '20.
I didn't take you to be siding with extremism. In this policing extremism.

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Dirt Sands said:
Yes, the officer had his hand in the air with a baton in it. This is the point. Should the law be changed to hold them accountable. Do you not have a moral problem with this happening to an old man?

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What? a law against holding a baton in the air??
 
Dirt Sands said:
What's different is the threat of being beat. It's obviously never happened to you so you don't believe the circumstances.

You mean to tell me that you are unaware that, despite videos of police brutality, that police are getting away with brutalizing people. Your completely unaware?

This is why social justice is a top three issue in '18 and '20.
I didn't take you to be siding with extremism. In this policing extremism.

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You're the one labeling it as extremism.
 
holbritter said:
What? a law against holding a baton in the air??
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You didn't read my post. It is a terroristic threat. In this case, they are breaking that law.

And are you unaware of the library of of other examples. Other people posted other examples.

The other posts that should be on You Tube are Nazi-esque responses on this topic. Just bury your head in the sand. It's not happening so I don't see it. So much ideology and so little reality.


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Dirt Sands said:
Yes, the officer had his hand in the air with a baton in it. This is the point. Should the law be changed to hold them accountable. Do you not have a moral problem with this happening to an old man?

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Of course they should be held responsible but even if the law is changed, that is not changing a thing for the people on the streets. If the people I've seen get roughed up by the police went into a station and tried to file a report, they'd most likely get laughed out of the station and even were able to file a report, I'm sure at time it happened any body cam would coincidentally not work. Then it's their word against ours and the system is set up to favor them.
 
VanceMack said:
Why cant ****ing people ever be honest about the bull**** they report and post the whole video? Why did the news outlet cut less than a minute out of the video and why didnt they just show the whole thing?

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I have no idea why the news report cut out the part with him putting his hands behind his back to avoid the officers grabbing at him. Nothing his hands did gave indication that he was about to attack them however, so the level of beatdown he got was completely unwarranted. Especially, since he did have permission to be there. They should have tased him, slapped the cuffs on him, and investigated who he was, and why he was there. Realized they had the wrong guy, and let him go.
 
americanwoman said:
Of course they should be held responsible but even if the law is changed, that is not changing a thing for the people on the streets. If the people I've seen get roughed up by the police went into a station and tried to file a report, they'd most likely get laughed out of the station and even were able to file a report, I'm sure at time it happened any body cam would coincidentally not work. Then it's their word against ours and the system is set up to favor them.
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God that's so why we need a change in the law. How are they able to get away with this.

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SSGT Bags said:
Really?
You were offended? WA WA WA.
What happened prior to your arrival?
Snowflakes are going to have to grow up and live in this world, and Uncle Bernie ain't gonna GIVE you nothing.
You get what you EARN. Nobody owes you anything.
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Dirt Sands said:
What if it were you? You see cops on the news every f**"in day beating people. What he did before I arrived was he was homeless and old. What if that were your grand- father? You think that's funny? Sorry we're not Nazi Germany. You think they should be able to beat people Carte Blanch?

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Well this combo is going to lead to untold entertainment!!
 
Bodhisattva said:
Well this combo is going to lead to untold entertainment!!
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They're afraid to respond. Worried about carma. Tell him I'm not a Bernie. Do you have to be a Bernie to be against beating old people and others.

He's against people having rights until the day comes that he needs them.

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Dirt Sands said:
What if it were you? You see cops on the news every f**"in day beating people. What he did before I arrived was he was homeless and old. What if that were your grand- father? You think that's funny? Sorry we're not Nazi Germany. You think they should be able to beat people Carte Blanch?

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If he was my Grandfather, he would NOT have been homeless.
Family first.
Since I am German, what does Nazi Germany have to do with this?
 
SSGT Bags said:
If he was my Grandfather, he would NOT have been homeless.
Family first.
Since I am German, what does Nazi Germany have to do with this?
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Ever heard of a police state? What do you think, lm talking about roses. Even roses have thorns. Maybe he was your grandfather and only looked homeless.

Here you have an opportunity to say, in general terms that go beyond my example to say police brutality is wrong. Then, in my example it clearly is a terroristic threat. It doesn't make the news fake or liberal when this stuff is reported. There were two links given on the brutal reality of police violence. It so disturbing It shows how "ludacris" people can be.

Being homeless is not a reason to do this. Neither is attempting to get people out of the way of a hurricane.

Go ahead and say it. Cops should beat up homeless people-- accept he was also old, and a human being.

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ThoughtEx. said:
And that is perfectly fine, I support officers giving homeless people a bed and a meal under the guise of arrest when it's really cold out, or a hurricane is coming in. But in the, let's call it a hypothetical, situation above threatening a homeless man with a billy club so they move is crossing a line. If they refuse to move, arrest them, if they resist, then use minimum amount of force necessary to accomplish the arrest. Don't come out threatening violence. That's not protecting, or serving anyone.
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I'm sure, in this case, it was a very stressful moment.
 
WCH said:
I'm sure, in this case, it was a very stressful moment.
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They can attack you because they're under stress?

I'm going to love this Law and Order forum. Looks like I found the swamp that needs to be drained.

I look forward to exposing those who don't give a crud about law, order, or humanity

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bmr528 said:
You sir, are my hero,, You saw a cop in Miami Just before the hurricane struck, threaten a homeless man to get him to move.. You were offended,, I wonder, would you be less offended had you walked down the street a day after the storm and saw the same homeless man floating face down ? You were offended that the cop just may have saved that mans life..

Also,, Since you care so much,, did you run over to the policeman as say,, I will take care of this man officer, he will come home with me until the storm is over.. You can bet your a$$ you did not.. what did you do? you got on this website and shared your "passion" for the homeless..

Oh,, and if it was my Grandfather, he would not be homeless..

If you do a little research you will find that police had to force MANY homeless people to move out of the danger zone..

djl
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But I also saw a video of police officers refusing homeless people who had registered to use a certain storm shelter to enter that shelter. The homeless people had to get on a bus and go to a shelter somewhere else (I think it was a salvation army shelter) and not where they resided because they had 2 choices, get on that bus or not get into a shelter.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
Well, to be fair in how you worded it.



Your wording indicates you haven't seen a single video on tv, and you claim is that you watch tv everyday. So wording mixup?

Out of curiosity, how many videos would you need to see before this became a concern for you? And do they have to be homeless people, or just any pedestrian failing to comply without being detained.
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I was responding to a poster who said this:

Dirt Sands said:
They think they can do this. Not shoot you, just beat you.
It's on TV every day. It's a given. I don't need to prove this. It's self evedent.

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Context is important, the only "mixup" seems to be on your part in not following the timeline that led to my post.

As for the rest of your post, how many hypothetical questions can you and your ilk put out there where what you claim to be happening isn't really happening on the scale you portray it to be happening on?

I'm all about punishing dirty cops. The video above, even when show in it's entirety (not the edited version that was originally submitted) shows a cop using excessive force. The cop should be punished IMO. But as is the case with so many of these incidents, videos are edited or additional videos from a different angle, show a completely different picture than what what we were led to believe. Most cops are good people and good cops. But just as with any large section of individuals, there are going to be a few bad apples. Doesn't matter if they're cops, politicians, judges, doctors, lawyers or sanitation workers. I understand that cops have quite a bit of authority and that the dirty cops should be dealt with in the judicial system.
 
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