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Dirt Sands

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Two days before Harvey, while walking from the transit train to the 7/11 across the street in Miami, I witnessed a police officer with his baton held high over his head in a striking position, threaten an old homeless man. The cop wanted him to leave and the old man was yelling. I thought how can this be legal? I was so offended!

Should laws be changed to more easily prosecute cops for beating people?

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Dirt Sands said:
Two days before Harvey, while walking from the transit train to the 7/11 across the street in Miami, I witnessed a police officer with his baton held high over his head in a striking position, threaten an old homeless man. The cop wanted him to leave and the old man was yelling. I thought how can this be legal? I was so offended!

Should laws be changed to more easily prosecute cops for beating people?

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I'd be more likely to believe this if you were saying the cop pointed the gun at the homeless man and threatened to shoot him.
 
Dirt Sands said:
Two days before Harvey, while walking from the transit train to the 7/11 across the street in Miami, I witnessed a police officer with his baton held high over his head in a striking position, threaten an old homeless man. The cop wanted him to leave and the old man was yelling. I thought how can this be legal? I was so offended!

Should laws be changed to more easily prosecute cops for beating people?

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Really?
You were offended? WA WA WA.
What happened prior to your arrival?
Snowflakes are going to have to grow up and live in this world, and Uncle Bernie ain't gonna GIVE you nothing.
You get what you EARN. Nobody owes you anything.
 
Dirt Sands said:
Two days before Harvey, while walking from the transit train to the 7/11 across the street in Miami, I witnessed a police officer with his baton held high over his head in a striking position, threaten an old homeless man. The cop wanted him to leave and the old man was yelling. I thought how can this be legal? I was so offended!

Should laws be changed to more easily prosecute cops for beating people?

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It doesn't appear as though you were involved in the situation at all, so how do you know the homeless man wasn't doing anything wrong? He could have been guilty of something. It's dangerous to assume something like police brutality without proof of innocence of the victim.
 
SSGT Bags said:
Really?
You were offended? WA WA WA.
What happened prior to your arrival?
Snowflakes are going to have to grow up and live in this world, and Uncle Bernie ain't gonna GIVE you nothing.
You get what you EARN. Nobody owes you anything.
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What if it were you? You see cops on the news every f**"in day beating people. What he did before I arrived was he was homeless and old. What if that were your grand- father? You think that's funny? Sorry we're not Nazi Germany. You think they should be able to beat people Carte Blanch?

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Dirt Sands said:
Two days before Harvey, while walking from the transit train to the 7/11 across the street in Miami, I witnessed a police officer with his baton held high over his head in a striking position, threaten an old homeless man. The cop wanted him to leave and the old man was yelling. I thought how can this be legal? I was so offended!

Should laws be changed to more easily prosecute cops for beating people?

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Who was beaten in your little tale? Was the cop assaulted before you "arrived"? Why didn't you say something to the cop to put a stop to such an "injustice"?

I'm thinking this was all made up.
 
graeme104 said:
It doesn't appear as though you were involved in the situation at all, so how do you know the homeless man wasn't doing anything wrong? He could have been guilty of something. It's dangerous to assume something like police brutality without proof of innocence of the victim.
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The burden is always on law enforcement to prove that a suspect has committed a crime. Not that suspect to prove they are innocent. This is isn't Russia. If the officer is trying to get him to leave, that means he hasn't detained him and the homeless man isn't threatening him. Officers have to follow a protocol before force is used. That protocol begins with detaining the homeless man. Which means he couldn't leave if he were being detained. Ergo, threatening to beat the homeless man, would be brutality.
 
reinoe said:
I'd be more likely to believe this if you were saying the cop pointed the gun at the homeless man and threatened to shoot him.
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They think they can do this. Not shoot you, just beat you.
It's on TV every day. It's a given. I don't need to prove this. It's self evedent.

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Dirt Sands said:
They think they can do this. Not shoot you, just beat you.
It's on TV every day. It's a given. I don't need to prove this. It's self evedent.

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I haven't seen a cop beating anyone on TV and I watch TV nearly every day. And you didn't see a cop beating anyone in your little story.
 
RedAkston said:
Who was beaten in your little tale? Was the cop assaulted before you "arrived"? Why didn't you say something to the cop to put a stop to such an "injustice"?

I'm thinking this was all made up.
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If the cop were assaulted, he wouldn't be trying to get the man to leave. He'd be on the ground wrestling him and calling for backup. It doesn't sound like the man was being detained or arrested. Even if this is a hypothetical, from the parameters of the hypothetical, hypothetically the cop would be in the wrong. They can't just beat you for yelling at them. If they feel you are a threat, they would start by detaining you. If you resisted then they can beat you. But if they detain you, you can't leave.
 
And, BTW, it's called vagrancy.
The homeless guy committed a crime.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
If the cop were assaulted, he wouldn't be trying to get the man to leave. He'd be on the ground wrestling him and calling for backup. It doesn't sound like the man was being detained or arrested. Even if this is a hypothetical, from the parameters of the hypothetical, hypothetically the cop would be in the wrong. They can't just beat you for yelling at them. If they feel you are a threat, they would start by detaining you. If you resisted then they can beat you. But if they detain you, you can't leave.
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They were threatening an old man with a club to get him to leave the transit area. I guess the cop was a p**** for not, 1) beating him, 2) not coecing the old man to leave without beating him.

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SSGT Bags said:
And, BTW, it's called vagrancy.
The homeless guy committed a crime.
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Oh I didn't realize that a cop can beat you for just any crime. I better watch my jaywalking in the future, lest the long arm of the law decides to dispense some old fashioned justice sans due process, or any of the other rights I theoretically enjoy.
 
Dirt Sands said:
What if it were you? You see cops on the news every f**"in day beating people. What he did before I arrived was he was homeless and old. What if that were your grand- father? You think that's funny? Sorry we're not Nazi Germany. You think they should be able to beat people Carte Blanch?

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What you don't say is that he struck him. Did you video it on your phone? Comment at all?
 
RedAkston said:
Not so much. I saw this today, but this still doesn't speak to "every day" which was the claim that was made.
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Well, to be fair in how you worded it.

I haven't seen a cop beating anyone on TV and I watch TV nearly every day. And you didn't see a cop beating anyone in your little story.
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Your wording indicates you haven't seen a single video on tv, and you claim is that you watch tv everyday. So wording mixup?

Out of curiosity, how many videos would you need to see before this became a concern for you? And do they have to be homeless people, or just any pedestrian failing to comply without being detained.
 
MPD was arresting homeless people [if necessary] to get the off the streets prior to the hurricane.
 
WCH said:
MPD was arresting homeless people [if necessary] to get the off the streets prior to the hurricane.
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And that is perfectly fine, I support officers giving homeless people a bed and a meal under the guise of arrest when it's really cold out, or a hurricane is coming in. But in the, let's call it a hypothetical, situation above threatening a homeless man with a billy club so they move is crossing a line. If they refuse to move, arrest them, if they resist, then use minimum amount of force necessary to accomplish the arrest. Don't come out threatening violence. That's not protecting, or serving anyone.
 
MaggieD said:
What you don't say is that he struck him. Did you video it on your phone? Comment at all?
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No he didn't strike him. Was very threatening. It begs the question:

Should the law be changed so that police don't beat you for any reason?


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Dirt Sands said:
No he didn't strike him. Was very threatening. It begs the question:

Should the law be changed so that police don't beat you for any reason?


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Self defense would be the only reason for a cop to hit someone over the head with a club. That can be a death blow... I wouldn't be surprised if they have policy about striking someone in the head withna club regardless. You're right to be concerned.
 
MaggieD said:
Self defense would be the only reason for a cop to hit someone over the head with a club. That can be a death blow... I wouldn't be surprised if they have policy about striking someone in the head withna club regardless. You're right to be concerned.
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Nobody has seen the video of the nurse being roughed up in Salt Lake City. Nobody's heard of the black lives matter movement?

I saw on You Tube a homeless women being beaten mercilously by a cop for begging.

It is on the news damn near everyday and it is a crises! When did people become so selfish that they're not outraged at the abuse of power? If it's alright to beat you then surely you wouldn't mind if they raped or stole from a loved one

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ThoughtEx. said:


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Why cant ****ing people ever be honest about the bull**** they report and post the whole video? Why did the news outlet cut less than a minute out of the video and why didnt they just show the whole thing?

 
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I don't trust edited videos. There obviously something missing between when the guy got up and when they were suddenly across the room.
 
Dirt Sands said:
Nobody has seen the video of the nurse being roughed up in Salt Lake City. Nobody's heard of the black lives matter movement?

I saw on You Tube a homeless women being beaten mercilously by a cop for begging.

It is on the news damn near everyday and it is a crises! When did people become so selfish that they're not outraged at the abuse of power? If it's alright to beat you then surely you wouldn't mind if they raped or stole from a loved one

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I hope you're not directing your frustration at me.
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Did you report the cop? Not sure what you'd report, though. You are assuming the Youtube videos you've seen didn't result in charges against the cop. I wouldn't be surprised if many of them did. There are bad people in every profession, DS. And there are certainly bad cops out there.
 
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