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FBI, Homeland Security warn of more ‘antifa’ attacks

Moot said:
Fascism is simply described as an extreme form of Nationalism.
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So you're any absolutist? All patriotism is them fascism?

Where do you draw the line between fascism and patriotism?
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Dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce.
 
"Antifa has been considered domestic terrorists" who put themselves between the domestic terrorists of the Alt Right and their intended victims.

"The Mainstream Media has been" telling the truth about Antifa.

"The Obama administration" never "kept this information from the public . . .".

As long as they confine themselves to clubbing Alt Right domestic terrorists like baby seals, sure, I am fine with that.

The Alt Right can talk all it wants, and who cares? Cross the line, and it is game time.
 
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JamesBY said:
"Antifa has been considered domestic terrorists" who put themselves between the domestic terrorists of the Alt Right and their intended victims.

"The Mainstream Media has been" telling the truth about Antifa.

"The Obama administration" never "kept this information from the public . . .".

As long as they confine themselves to clubbing Alt Right domestic terrorists like baby seals, sure, I am fine with that.
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Interesting to me, the white supremacists didn't really show up to the Berkeley riots when they were throwing a fit about Milo Yannopolus speaking there.

Seems they are provoked by free speech they don't like and ate unsold to argue so thus they resort to violence and destruction.

It's seeming to be more like an angry spoiled child throwing a fit with their parents for not buying them something they want.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Interesting to me, the white supremacists didn't really show up to the Berkeley riots when they were throwing a fit about Milo Yannopolus speaking there.

Seems they are provoked by free speech they don't like and ate unsold to argue so thus they resort to violence and destruction.

It's seeming to be more like an angry spoiled child throwing a fit with their parents for not buying them something they want.
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The fascists now know what will happen if they rise up en masse.
 
Moot said:
Really...so what exactly did the Obama Administration say? Link?
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Did you read my thread-starting post? That's where the link is at.
 
notquiteright said:
Of course you don't want to compare the rather long list of killings and violence of the White Supremacists with anyone, they 'win' hands down... :lol:

You are the one saying it's 'Obama's' Homeland Security (as if he checks with every assessment before making them official)

But the H.S. group fears everything and makes rather extravagant claims of the threat they see in the dark, it's their job. They feared everyone to include veterans... :doh

They feared toothpaste tubes, mouthwash bottles, can openers, P38's, lighters, my credit card tool kit because it has a 2" file and a mini pen refill... :roll:

I've asked other right wingers this- who has the antifa's killed? What was the nature of these attacks? I kinda see the antifa's more like the Boston Tea Party 'terrorists', who 'instigate' attacks on political institutions than the White supremacists who liked to attack folks for little more than the color of their skin...

Not make this a comparison- well there really isn't any comparison... :peace
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So...instead of judging Antifa on their own merits, you double down on comparing them to someone else. Even after I suggested otherwise.

You are wasting my time.
 
Mycroft said:
Oh...and that would be Obama's FBI and Homeland Security.



The rest of this article can safely be ignored because, as we all know, Politico wouldn't BE Politico if they didn't try to spin this against Trump.

The important points and questions:

Antifa has been considered domestic terrorists...yet have been allowed, by the Feds and local LE, to act at will. Will this change? Will they continue to tolerate these terrorist thugs?

The Mainstream Media has been minimizing the dangers of that group. Will they now change their tune?

The Obama administration kept this information from the public, at least, and probably from LE. Does anyone think that is acceptable?


And, finally, for all you fellow forum members...those who have downplayed or supported antifa's violent, unacceptable behavior...now that you have OBAMA'S administration saying these things about them, will you still tolerate them?
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They run around dressed like ISIS attacking people. WTF is wrong with law enforcement and the governemnt?
 
Mycroft said:
Did you read my thread-starting post? That's where the link is at.
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Yes, I read it...but the article doesn't mention Obama at all. In fact, it suggests that Trump is the blame for creating and escalating the "situation"....


"...In interviews, law enforcement authorities made clear that Trump’s inflammatory rhetoric and policies — first as a candidate and then as president — helped to create a situation that has escalated so quickly and extensively that they do not have a handle on it.

“It was in that period [as the Trump campaign emerged] that we really became aware of them,” said one senior law enforcement official tracking domestic extremists in a state that has become a front line in clashes between the groups...."

FBI, Homeland Security warn of more ‘antifa’ attacks - POLITICO​



So where is the link to your "according to the Obama administration" claim? (see post #42)
 
Mycroft said:
So...instead of judging Antifa on their own merits, you double down on comparing them to someone else. Even after I suggested otherwise. You are wasting my time.
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As good leading Americans have already said, that type of defense is indefensible.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I really think that antifa and it's defenders are under the impression that everybody that doesn't agree with them is a fascist.
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But then, it is mostly fascists that disagree with them....so perhaps they might have a point.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Interesting to me, the white supremacists didn't really show up to the Berkeley riots when they were throwing a fit about Milo Yannopolus speaking there.

Seems they are provoked by free speech they don't like and ate unsold to argue so thus they resort to violence and destruction.

It's seeming to be more like an angry spoiled child throwing a fit with their parents for not buying them something they want.
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I'm pretty sure that Base Stickman was there. Thats the protest that made him infamous. I guess he must be a spoiled child throwing a fit because his parents wouldn't buy him a shield and armor.
 
Moot said:
I'm pretty sure that Base Stickman was there. Thats the protest that made him infamous. I guess he must be a spoiled child throwing a fit because his parents wouldn't buy him a shield and armor.
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So you can't explain why Trump is fascist? Also you do think all patriotism is fascism?
 
Mycroft said:
So...instead of judging Antifa on their own merits, you double down on comparing them to someone else. Even after I suggested otherwise. You are wasting my time.
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Yes I'm wasting your time, you want to play a silly game that doesn't withstand even casual scrutiny! :roll:

I am judging antifa 'on it's own merits' and find the warning rather silly and over the top. I don't see a line of bodies behind the antifa movement, like other real terrorist organizations.

I do remember Homeland Security 'warning' us about veterans of service to our country... :doh

I don't see organizing to protest Nazis, and white supremacists as terrorist activity, but no doubt the ones who want us to take off our shoes and feel up children at airports do... :peace
 
Moot said:
Yes, I read it...but the article doesn't mention Obama at all. In fact, it suggests that Trump is the blame for creating and escalating the "situation"....


"...In interviews, law enforcement authorities made clear that Trump’s inflammatory rhetoric and policies — first as a candidate and then as president — helped to create a situation that has escalated so quickly and extensively that they do not have a handle on it.

“It was in that period [as the Trump campaign emerged] that we really became aware of them,” said one senior law enforcement official tracking domestic extremists in a state that has become a front line in clashes between the groups...."

FBI, Homeland Security warn of more ‘antifa’ attacks - POLITICO​



So where is the link to your "according to the Obama administration" claim? (see post #42)
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Who do you think was President in early 2016? Who's administration do you think the FBI and Homeland Security were a part of in early 2016? It sure wasn't the Trump administration.

And, I already told you in my OP to disregard that Trump spin...that's just Politico being Politico. The Obama administration had already defined Antifa as a terrorist organization for stuff they did that had NOTHING to do with Trump.
 
CLAX1911 said:
He did claim Trump was a fascist. And he said he hated nationalism because it's fascism. It's only a strawman if i misrepresent something he said.
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Trump, imo, does not condemn fascism nearly enough. A facet of fascism is ultra nationalism. So, yes, if you don't put it into context but try to pull into a context he did not mean, yep, that's a straw man.
 
JamesBY said:
Trump, imo, does not condemn fascism nearly enough.
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That's a bit odd. he doesn't condemn socialism or communism either. Why do you need him to say things? What purpose does that serve?

A facet of fascism is ultra nationalism. So, yes, if you don't put it into context but try to pull into a context he did not mean, yep, that's a straw man.
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He placed it in exactly that context.
 
notquiteright said:
Yes I'm wasting your time, you want to play a silly game that doesn't withstand even casual scrutiny! :roll:

I am judging antifa 'on it's own merits' and find the warning rather silly and over the top. I don't see a line of bodies behind the antifa movement, like other real terrorist organizations.

I do remember Homeland Security 'warning' us about veterans of service to our country... :doh

I don't see organizing to protest Nazis, and white supremacists as terrorist activity, but no doubt the ones who want us to take off our shoes and feel up children at airports do... :peace
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You DO see antifa attacking cops, destroying private and public property, setting fires, attacking and beating up Trump supporters as well as people who are NOT Trump supporters (They just call them nazis and everything is cool, right?) Their aim is to spread terror amongst anyone they set their sights on. Their aim is to disrupt peaceful assembly...which is guaranteed under our Constitution. (I'd say that makes them anti-American)

The Obama administration characterized them this way: "Federal authorities have been warning state and local officials since early 2016 that leftist extremists known as “antifa” had become increasingly confrontational and dangerous, so much so that the Department of Homeland Security formally classified their activities as “domestic terrorist violence,” according to interviews and confidential law enforcement documents obtained by POLITICO."

Yet you continue...triple-down, this time...to insist on comparing them to other groups, which allows you to excuse their inexcusable behavior.
 
CLAX1911 said:
That's a bit odd. he doesn't condemn socialism or communism either. Why do you need him to say things? What purpose does that serve? He placed it in exactly that context.
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No, he did not. In the context of the discussion after the event, he failed. Bigly.
 
Whenever you "insist on comparing them to" [fascists, neo-nazis, klan, white supremacist etc], Antifa look like super stars.
 
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