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Black Extremist Murders 2 Cops in Florida

Fenton Lum said:
Or perhaps the unintended consequences of some cops murdering unarmed citizens on the streets of america.
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So if someone ambushed a couple of Muslims, would you chalk that up to "the unintended consequences of some Muslims murdering unarmed citizens on the streets of america"?
 
truthatallcost said:
I did know about his military service because I researched the story before creating the thread. And by researching, I came to the conclusion that Miller was probably enraged by the 24 hour per day news coverage of Charlottesville, and that's why he decided to ambush police officers. When the police arrived on scene, they weren't white.

Only hours before the shooting, Miller's Facebook page shared a post about white supremacists infiltrating police departments. There were also derogatory posts about Donald Trump and posts about the Confederate monument issue and Nazis in Charlottesville, Virginia. On August 15, the page shared a video of the Charlottesville clashes, writing, “Confederate Nazis…i will hurt you all. You are the enemy. You can run but you cant hide.”

The leftist media needs to take responsibility for the monster they created.
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So when you came to this conclusion, did you presume that the shooter thought the police officers had costumes on to make them look black? What an absurd line of thinking.

I don't blame the the entire right wing for a single right wing murderer/terrorists. Doing so is wildly inaccurate and brings us further apart. We say we want to come together and if we want to do so, rhetoric like yours cannot stand.
 
Thoreau72 said:
I'm not really trying to blame anybody, except those who will not admit or correct the causes of such statistics as have been gathered over years. It is a complex situation because human behavior is involved.

Just as now for decades to come most members of the middle east will hate Americans for the war brought upon them by the US government, many blacks have been treated poorly by the system that says out of one side of its mouth that all men are equal before the law, but out of the business end of a gun or billy club that being black is a strike against them.
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All those statistic ignore the core issue of the gang culture that far too many young black men fall into. Yes, there are white young men in gangs as well, but the % of young black men in violent gangs is substantially higher than the % young white men. It's not a black/white thing, it's gang/non-gang thing. But admitting that places the responsibility of not going to jail in the laps of those who glorify that gang culture, instead of denigrating it as it should be. You wnat to shift the blame away from the FACT that gang culture has more to do with the sentencing disparity than any other factor and being a part of that culture is a CHOICE.
 
VanceMack said:
Jay........zus.

You cant identify the racism...but of course there must be systemic racism. These arguments have been repeated over and over and its ALWAYS the same. The problem is systemicracism. WHAT systemic racism Well...its...just...racist...and racism. But WHAT is the systemic racism? Racism is the systemic racism....



In case you miss it, you are the two on the left.
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Yes, yes, these "arguments" have been repeated endlessly--the cops cry crocodile tears when some citizen made angry by the police killing his innocent grandmother or child goes off and gets in a lucky shot or 2. Cry me a river VM, cry me a river. It's a ****ty job, but people keep applying. And remember, let's NEVER discuss any underlying causes like bad law and bad policy. NEVER acknowledge underlying causes for the actions of humans. Brilliant!
 
faithful_servant said:
All those statistic ignore the core issue of the gang culture that far too many young black men fall into. Yes, there are white young men in gangs as well, but the % of young black men in violent gangs is substantially higher than the % young white men. It's not a black/white thing, it's gang/non-gang thing. But admitting that places the responsibility of not going to jail in the laps of those who glorify that gang culture, instead of denigrating it as it should be. You wnat to shift the blame away from the FACT that gang culture has more to do with the sentencing disparity than any other factor and being a part of that culture is a CHOICE.
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No sir. I want to shift the blame to where it most likely belongs, or to what is certainly a very large factor in the equation we attempt to discuss here. A large part of the blame falls upon lousy policy and law, as pointed out for more than a decade now by LEAP, Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. They have recently changed their name, but that's beside the point. I do not try to put a numerical value on the role of prohibition in the increase in hostility towards police these days, but it is a large factor.

Keep in mind that the gang culture you mention, an excellent point by the way, is supported in part by the sales of illegal drugs by those gangs. That means that IF the prohibition were repealed, those gangs would lose a significant source of funding.

That also means that IF the prohibition had been ended 20 years ago, there is some chance that we would not be having this conversation today, as those gangs would have lost significant funding 20 years ago.

It happened with the repeal of the Volstead Act, and it would happen too with the drug prohibition.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Yes, yes, these "arguments" have been repeated endlessly--the cops cry crocodile tears when some citizen made angry by the police killing his innocent grandmother or child goes off and gets in a lucky shot or 2. Cry me a river VM, cry me a river. It's a ****ty job, but people keep applying. And remember, let's NEVER discuss any underlying causes like bad law and bad policy. NEVER acknowledge underlying causes for the actions of humans. Brilliant!
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You know...I doubt you watched the video but you REALLY should. Pay attention to the faces of the two on the left. They start off with the typical "OHMIGAWD I cant believe he said it wasnt racism! Can you IMAGINE!!!!" expressions...but then their giddy smirks start to fade away as the truth is exposed and then when they are asked to actually present their argument, the one just sits there stupid as ****, while the other just repeats the same old tired ****...but...there MUST be racism. There just MUST be. And that line...thats the ****ing BEST..."And remember, let's NEVER discuss any underlying causes like bad law and bad policy." Dood...thats what I ASKED you for. Give me the 'bad law'. Give me the 'bad policy.' Give me the actual instances of systemic racism. Stop just ****ing parroting the same rhetoric. Its embarrassing watching you.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Yes, yes, these "arguments" have been repeated endlessly--the cops cry crocodile tears when some citizen made angry by the police killing his innocent grandmother or child goes off and gets in a lucky shot or 2. Cry me a river VM, cry me a river. It's a ****ty job, but people keep applying. And remember, let's NEVER discuss any underlying causes like bad law and bad policy. NEVER acknowledge underlying causes for the actions of humans. Brilliant!
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Your disrespect for law enforcement lives lost in this thread is appalling.
 
truthatallcost said:
The data is in, Caine gets an A+, everyone else gets F's.

"Police officers were three times less likely to shoot unarmed black suspects than unarmed white suspects and took significantly longer to decide to shoot armed black suspects than armed white suspects.

James hypothesized that officers were second-guessing themselves when confronting black suspects, due to their awareness of the potential negative repercussions of shooting a black suspect.

James’s finding that participants, in her words, “displayed significant bias favoring Black suspects” in their shooting decisions replicated the results of two previous studies she has run on shoot/don’t-shoot decisions."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ce-shootings-and-race/?utm_term=.5577b369aca8
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When you construct a post like this... do you simply assume that no one takes anything you say seriously enough to actually click on the link and fact check your crap? Because that's the only reason I can think of why you continue such dishonest behavior.

Your cherry-picked quotes from the article you linked to were simply describing a research simulation involving police officers from a single department in Spokane Washington.

Did you not even realize what your own link was about?
It's either due to your ignorance or your dishonesty... I'll allow you to choose which one.
 
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RickJames3000 said:
Did you not even realize what your own link was about?
It's either due to your ignorance or your dishonesty... I'll allow you to choose which one.
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"James’s work anticipated a much-discussed working paper by Harvard economist Roland Fryer. Fryer found that police officers in Houston were nearly 24 percent less likely to shoot blacks than whites (p. 50; he concluded that there was no evidence of racial discrimination in shootings there. In a data set comprising officer shootings from Dallas, Austin, Houston, Los Angeles and six Florida counties, he found that officers were 47 percent less likely to discharge their weapon without first being attacked if the suspect was black than if the suspect was white (p. 25), and that black and white victims of police shootings were equally likely to have been armed."

Spokane, Houston, Dallas, Los Angeles, plus six entire counties in Florida.

Are you still going to go with the broken meme that says 'cops is genociding black folks!'?

It's either due to your ignorance or your dishonesty... I'll allow you to choose which one.
 
truthatallcost said:
"James’s work anticipated a much-discussed working paper by Harvard economist Roland Fryer. Fryer found that police officers in Houston were nearly 24 percent less likely to shoot blacks than whites (p. 50; he concluded that there was no evidence of racial discrimination in shootings there. In a data set comprising officer shootings from Dallas, Austin, Houston, Los Angeles and six Florida counties, he found that officers were 47 percent less likely to discharge their weapon without first being attacked if the suspect was black than if the suspect was white (p. 25), and that black and white victims of police shootings were equally likely to have been armed."

Spokane, Houston, Dallas, Los Angeles, plus six entire counties in Florida.

Are you still going to go with the broken meme that says 'cops is genociding black folks!'?

It's either due to your ignorance or your dishonesty... I'll allow you to choose which one.
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You shouldn't have led with the weakest part of the article you claimed to have read. It's not my fault you don't have the wherewithal to argue your position.:shrug:
Maybe you'll learn from your mistake here, but I suspect you are too far gone for that.

BTW... The following is a quote from Fryer's introduction to his study that you cited in your last misinformed comment (as if you would ever dig this deep before spouting your garbage):

"This paper explores racial differences in police use of force. On non-lethal uses of force, blacks and Hispanics are more than fifty percent more likely to experience some form of force in interactions with police. Adding controls that account for important context and civilian behavior reduces, but cannot fully explain, these disparities."

So once again, I ask... are you ignorant, lazy, or dishonest? Or all three?

PS: You also lack any understanding of what a "meme" is, as I included no meme in my post.
 
truthatallcost said:
The two cops Miller killed are black, adding another confusing element to the story. CBS has reported that Facebook removed Miller's profile soon after the story broke, but not before members of the media were able to screenshot his recent posts.

This isn't the first time a member of the Moorish Nations has gone on a killing rampage against police; last year another member of the black extremism group murdered 3 police officers in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Baton_Rouge_police_officers
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Well, the shooter seems like a racist idiot...
 
stevecanuck said:
So if someone ambushed a couple of Muslims, would you chalk that up to "the unintended consequences of some Muslims murdering unarmed citizens on the streets of america"?
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Yup, that and the fact that the US has militarily occupied and destabilized the middle east for decades to control the region's resources.

But the police you see, are ours, work for us, represent the state, and ostensibly are here to serve and protect the citizenry, some of whom some of them murder.
 
truthatallcost said:
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One of these 2 guns is the one Tamir Rice was holding. If you can't figure out which gun is real, then why would you expect police officers to be able to?
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We expect them NOT to roll up on a kid, shoot within 2 seconds and ask questions later. Perhaps these two should have chosen another profession if they cannot handle things any differently.

I sir am not a cop. Furthermore, I certainly hope you aren't either. We need professionals in these positions and we need to pay them accordingly which we do not.
 
Thoreau72 said:
No sir. I want to shift the blame to where it most likely belongs, or to what is certainly a very large factor in the equation we attempt to discuss here. A large part of the blame falls upon lousy policy and law, as pointed out for more than a decade now by LEAP, Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. They have recently changed their name, but that's beside the point. I do not try to put a numerical value on the role of prohibition in the increase in hostility towards police these days, but it is a large factor.

Keep in mind that the gang culture you mention, an excellent point by the way, is supported in part by the sales of illegal drugs by those gangs. That means that IF the prohibition were repealed, those gangs would lose a significant source of funding.

That also means that IF the prohibition had been ended 20 years ago, there is some chance that we would not be having this conversation today, as those gangs would have lost significant funding 20 years ago.

It happened with the repeal of the Volstead Act, and it would happen too with the drug prohibition.
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The system requires full prisons and a steady flow of offender cash to prop up the legal system.
 
Objective Voice said:
Hatred did motivate the shooter's actions. The unintended consequence was he killed two Black cops when I suspect he had hoped it was two White police officers in the squad car. Not supporting what this guy did; just saying I believe he meant to target White cops but killed Black cops instead.

Such a shame either way...that hate for your fellow man would once again lead to something like this. These cop killings need to stop.
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Agreed, and if those cops who have murdered unarmed citizens in the streets had been held accountable, perhaps the citizenry would have more faith in the legal system.
 
VanceMack said:
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You know...I doubt you watched the video but you REALLY should. Pay attention to the faces of the two on the left. They start off with the typical "OHMIGAWD I cant believe he said it wasnt racism! Can you IMAGINE!!!!" expressions...but then their giddy smirks start to fade away as the truth is exposed and then when they are asked to actually present their argument, the one just sits there stupid as ****, while the other just repeats the same old tired ****...but...there MUST be racism. There just MUST be. And that line...thats the ****ing BEST..."And remember, let's NEVER discuss any underlying causes like bad law and bad policy." Dood...thats what I ASKED you for. Give me the 'bad law'. Give me the 'bad policy.' Give me the actual instances of systemic racism. Stop just ****ing parroting the same rhetoric. Its embarrassing watching you.
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Hey Vance, you and I both are tired of the same old rhetoric. :peace
 
Caine said:
Your disrespect for law enforcement lives lost in this thread is appalling.
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We will all die, and nobody knows how he will die, so please spare me the many appeals to emotion.

I do not disrespect LEO. I socialize with several and have been on a first name basis with the last 3 sheriffs of the county I live in. When the man is in office, I always address him as Sheriff.

Cry me a river dude. You're appalled, I'm embarrassed. I would rather hear a fat woman do you know what than listen to a grown man cry.
 
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