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Black Extremist Murders 2 Cops in Florida

Define specifically which harmful public policy and institutional racism you are referring to.

To borrow from the language of the DOI, "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism....".

I know I sound like a broken record on this issue, but the guys at Law Enforcement Against Prohibition always made a good point, and I've met several of them over the years. The drug laws work against society, and they work against the law enforcement profession because they corrupt.

So to answer your question, IMO, drug policy is one such policy. The institutional racism is visible in many ways, as is the Lucifer Effect described and documented by Zimbardo. I'm white and consider myself damn lucky to have been born that way. Driving while black and doing almost anything else while black is a burden.

LEAP was right when they started, and they are still right today--the drug prohibition, zealously enforced especially, gives a bad name to the LEO profession.
 
Read what he posted on FB - the institutionalization he was suffering from came from his parents teaching him to be afraid of white people. If you want to blame-shift his actions, then the correct target is his parents.

I'm not really trying to blame anybody, except those who will not admit or correct the causes of such statistics as have been gathered over years. It is a complex situation because human behavior is involved.

Just as now for decades to come most members of the middle east will hate Americans for the war brought upon them by the US government, many blacks have been treated poorly by the system that says out of one side of its mouth that all men are equal before the law, but out of the business end of a gun or billy club that being black is a strike against them.
 
A false narrative of blacks being victims of targeting by all law enforcement.

I agree completely with your point, and this case has heavy irony in that 1 black man kills 2 black cops. Not really mistaken identity, but more likely just a crime of opportunity, and a strike against "them" by "us", which is sadly what we have been reduced to.
 
I agree completely with your point, and this case has heavy irony in that 1 black man kills 2 black cops. Not really mistaken identity, but more likely just a crime of opportunity, and a strike against "them" by "us", which is sadly what we have been reduced to.

As I mentioned before, the race of the officers isn't as important as the fact that they are Police Officers.

Black Separatists (like Moorish Nation), like the Sovereign Citizens Movement (who are the non-minority equivalent), believe they are not subject to the laws of the state and nation.

However, increased calls for violence against Law Enforcement has been all the rage among those who follow the Black Lies Matter rhetoric.
 
As I mentioned before, the race of the officers isn't as important as the fact that they are Police Officers.

Black Separatists (like Moorish Nation), like the Sovereign Citizens Movement (who are the non-minority equivalent), believe they are not subject to the laws of the state and nation.

However, increased calls for violence against Law Enforcement has been all the rage among those who follow the Black Lies Matter rhetoric.

You brought up BLM, not I. I do not follow the organization. If the race of any of the players is not so important, I'm curious as to why you brought it up.

I'm standing on my point as made by LEAP years ago--the drug prohibition is harmful to those in the criminal justice system. Not just cops, but all involved including judges and prosecutors. If so few are willing to stand up and speak the truth to power, then there will be a reaction, sooner or later.
 
Perhaps your analysis is too superficial? All we know is that 2 black cops are dead at the hands of a black citizen. Maybe we can agree that hatred of some sort motivated the shooter? If you agree on that point, would it be proper to analyze what caused the hatred to emerge?

Hatred did motivate the shooter's actions. The unintended consequence was he killed two Black cops when I suspect he had hoped it was two White police officers in the squad car. Not supporting what this guy did; just saying I believe he meant to target White cops but killed Black cops instead.

Such a shame either way...that hate for your fellow man would once again lead to something like this. These cop killings need to stop.
 
Hatred did motivate the shooter. The unintended consequence was he killed two Black cops when I suspect he had hoped it was two White police officers in the squad car.

Such a shame...that hate for your fellow man would lead once again to something like this.

Too true!

Keep in mind that many humans kill others with no hatred at all. They do so because they have a job to do, and some superior told them to do it. And of course some kill in the heat of the moment, as is the case with some police shootings. No hatred, but things go wrong somehow and you end up with dead 13 year olds with toy guns in their hands. It's sad.
 
You brought up BLM, not I. I do not follow the organization. If the race of any of the players is not so important, I'm curious as to why you brought it up.
Because his facebook posts (as quoted by the OP article link) follow the same line of thinking for many of the "extremists" within the BLM community.

I'm standing on my point as made by LEAP years ago--the drug prohibition is harmful to those in the criminal justice system. Not just cops, but all involved including judges and prosecutors. If so few are willing to stand up and speak the truth to power, then there will be a reaction, sooner or later.

While I agree with LEAP. I do..... this conversation had nothing to do with drug prohibition.

This man's mind set can be viewed by observing his BLM like Facebook comments, and the fact that he is a "Black Separatist". Those two factors give us an idea of where he was getting his ideology and what drove him to murder Police Officers.
 
Hatred did motivate the shooter's actions. The unintended consequence was he killed two Black cops when I suspect he had hoped it was two White police officers in the squad car. Not supporting what this guy did; just saying I believe he meant to target White cops but killed Black cops instead.

Such a shame either way...that hate for your fellow man would once again lead to something like this. These cop killings need to stop.

I don't know that he necessarily wanted to target White officers.

While BLM does alot of white people hating, they also generally hate cops, regardless of race.

Black Separatists also hate whites, but also hate "the authority" in general.
 
To borrow from the language of the DOI, "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism....".

I know I sound like a broken record on this issue, but the guys at Law Enforcement Against Prohibition always made a good point, and I've met several of them over the years. The drug laws work against society, and they work against the law enforcement profession because they corrupt.

So to answer your question, IMO, drug policy is one such policy. The institutional racism is visible in many ways, as is the Lucifer Effect described and documented by Zimbardo. I'm white and consider myself damn lucky to have been born that way. Driving while black and doing almost anything else while black is a burden.

LEAP was right when they started, and they are still right today--the drug prohibition, zealously enforced especially, gives a bad name to the LEO profession.
Jay........zus.

You cant identify the racism...but of course there must be systemic racism. These arguments have been repeated over and over and its ALWAYS the same. The problem is systemicracism. WHAT systemic racism Well...its...just...racist...and racism. But WHAT is the systemic racism? Racism is the systemic racism....



In case you miss it, you are the two on the left.
 
For decades of harmful public policy combined with institutional racism, the chickens are coming home to roost.

Black lives was founded because they were getting shot in the back by cops.
But one incident and our high school white rubes go nuts

A false narrative of blacks being victims of targeting by all law enforcement.

The data is in, Caine gets an A+, everyone else gets F's.

"Police officers were three times less likely to shoot unarmed black suspects than unarmed white suspects and took significantly longer to decide to shoot armed black suspects than armed white suspects.

James hypothesized that officers were second-guessing themselves when confronting black suspects, due to their awareness of the potential negative repercussions of shooting a black suspect.

James’s finding that participants, in her words, “displayed significant bias favoring Black suspects” in their shooting decisions replicated the results of two previous studies she has run on shoot/don’t-shoot decisions."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ce-shootings-and-race/?utm_term=.5577b369aca8
 
Man, those black wackass extremists, I tell ya.

"Perfectly positioned in the crowd behind Donald Trump in Phoenix, Arizona on Tuesday night, as the president falsely claimed that he had not defended white supremacists, was a man waving a “Blacks for Trump” sign and wearing a T-shirt that read: “Trump & Republicans Are Not Racist.”

"The man, who was born Maurice Woodside but now goes by the name “Michael the Black Man,” was seated in the second row of the bleachers behind the podium, where he could be seen on television throughout Trump’s address."

https://theintercept.com/2017/08/23...gn-presidents-rally-bizarre-beliefs-race-war/

Wow. They're really this desperate? A full expose on someone no one has ever heard of before....cuz Truuuuump!
 
The data is in, Caine gets an A+, everyone else gets F's.

"Police officers were three times less likely to shoot unarmed black suspects than unarmed white suspects and took significantly longer to decide to shoot armed black suspects than armed white suspects.

James hypothesized that officers were second-guessing themselves when confronting black suspects, due to their awareness of the potential negative repercussions of shooting a black suspect.

James’s finding that participants, in her words, “displayed significant bias favoring Black suspects” in their shooting decisions replicated the results of two previous studies she has run on shoot/don’t-shoot decisions."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ce-shootings-and-race/?utm_term=.5577b369aca8

Tamir Rice found out otherwise.
 
Jay........zus.

You cant identify the racism...but of course there must be systemic racism. These arguments have been repeated over and over and its ALWAYS the same. The problem is systemicracism. WHAT systemic racism Well...its...just...racist...and racism. But WHAT is the systemic racism? Racism is the systemic racism....



In case you miss it, you are the two on the left.


Woven into your society and it's institutions, that's what systemic racism is. You know, like america.
 
Tamir Rice found out otherwise.

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One of these 2 guns is the one Tamir Rice was holding. If you can't figure out which gun is real, then why would you expect police officers to be able to?
 
Or perhaps the unintended consequences of some cops murdering unarmed citizens on the streets of america.

I cannot figure some of you liberals out. You are the ones who think only cops should be legally armed in Civilian America but you are the first to damn the cops when they shoot people wrongly or even if they shoot some people properly

what does this murder of two cops have to do with some other cops shooting someone else.

Should all the whites who have been robbed or assaulted or raped by blacks start shooting blacks? would you support that because Far more blacks have robbed, raped or assaulted whites than there are blacks wrongly shot by cops
 
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One of these 2 guns is the one Tamir Rice was holding. If you can't figure out which gun is real, then why would you expect police officers to be able to?

No one-not even someone like me who has a pistol that is almost a dead ringer for the bottom Colt, could tell which one is real at more than several feet under perfect lighting conditions.
 
Woven into your society and it's institutions, that's what systemic racism is. You know, like america.

Nice demonstration of the evidence for your case.......

But nothing you just said countered Ben Shaprio's comments on the subject.

You basically just repeated the exact line he criticizes.... that it is just there.... out there somewhere.... in the ether....

Nameless, Faceless....

Keep telling black kids this as they are growing up, and expect them to succeed in society?

Won't happen.
 
Woven into your society and it's institutions, that's what systemic racism is. You know, like america.
Thats a sad pathetic, yet all too typical answer. No wonder black America 'cant' succeed. They are fighting oppressive ghosts.

This is what arguing this issue is like. Racism...electrolytes...its what plants crave.

 
It's sad that lives were taken.

It's sad that people read the color of his skin, but not the post that points out that the police officers he shot weren't white.

It's sad that nobody who has posted here knows that this man served our country in active duty.

It's sad that we assume this is about race when mental health problems are far more likely to be a larger factor.

I did know about his military service because I researched the story before creating the thread. And by researching, I came to the conclusion that Miller was probably enraged by the 24 hour per day news coverage of Charlottesville, and that's why he decided to ambush police officers. When the police arrived on scene, they weren't white.

Only hours before the shooting, Miller's Facebook page shared a post about white supremacists infiltrating police departments. There were also derogatory posts about Donald Trump and posts about the Confederate monument issue and Nazis in Charlottesville, Virginia. On August 15, the page shared a video of the Charlottesville clashes, writing, “Confederate Nazis…i will hurt you all. You are the enemy. You can run but you cant hide.”

The leftist media needs to take responsibility for the monster they created.
 
No one-not even someone like me who has a pistol that is almost a dead ringer for the bottom Colt, could tell which one is real at more than several feet under perfect lighting conditions.

I guess Fenton Lum expects police officers to wait and find out if the gun that's being pointed at them is real or not.
 
I guess Fenton Lum expects police officers to wait and find out if the gun that's being pointed at them is real or not.

People who never train in this area are unable to understand how fast a gun fight lasts. you spend a minute trying to figure out if the gun a mope is pointing at you is a real colt or an Airsoft replica, and you are wrong, you're 58 seconds into being dead
 
People who never train in this area are unable to understand how fast a gun fight lasts. you spend a minute trying to figure out if the gun a mope is pointing at you is a real colt or an Airsoft replica, and you are wrong, you're 58 seconds into being dead

There is no time to stand around and go over scenarios in your head. That goes for regular Joes too who are drawn on by a bad guy. The problem we face is coming from a very loud, yet inexperienced group of people who just don't know what we know. It's impossible to explain it to them so that they understand.
 
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