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Cops force-search woman's vagina for 11 minutes at road site

jaeger19 said:
Well and that's the point. The use of force has gotten way way too permissive.



The same for me. Unless there was a reasonable expectation that I was in imminent threat of personal harm.. even though punches or kicks had not been thrown.

My partner used a taser on a suspect that kept coming at him (on a domestic which is the worst to walk into ) and he refused to stop, was 6 foot six 260. I was trying to get around the car to help AND keep an eye on the female who I was questioning. My partner decided enough was enough and put the guy down with the taser. I would stand on a stack of bibles that that was reasonable and necessary despite the fact the man had not thrown a punch or a kick. There is no doubt in my mind in that situation that bad things were going to happen to my partner if he hadn;t used the taser. (and of course the woman who was previously screaming about her boyfriend slapping her and threatening her.. then tried to attack me and my partner and I had to subdue her and put her in cuffs in the back of the squad car.

That being said.. I don't think tasing a stupid girl who thinks she has the right to stay in her car is reasonable or necessary.

Nor.. Do I think that the cavity search on the side of the road was reasonable or necessary.
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The only time I ever used my taser was when a dude about the size you are describing was tearing up his own room after a domestic incident that got us called there in the first place. Dude was destroying everything, bicked up an exercise bike and smashed it into a wall-length sized mirror (this was in his $800,000 house... which in the south probably equates to 2 million in places like new york state) attempted on two occasions to get us to fight him by charging toward my two other partners on scene and then stopping suddenly and going back to destroy more ****. Eventually he picked up an ottoman stool and chucked it at me (it was a loveseat length ottoman, not a small chair one) which I avoided by backing into the door frame of the half bathroom attached to this room. I had decided that I had enough and that assault was finally what we needed to stop this madness (since destroying your own house is perfectly legal) and I tazed his ass. He had to have one of the probes cut out of his stomach (he had a beer belly).


Tasing that girl may not have been necessary, but if it is within that officer's training then the action by the officer has to be viewed in that light (like a court would view it).

This cavity search, however, is so egregious that I cannot imagine it being within any training anywhere in America. Its nearly impossible.
 
jaeger19 said:
As I understand it.. if I saw the transcript of the conversation that can be heard on the dash cam.. that she demanded to know why the officers did the search right out in front of everyone.. and one cop told her that it was her fault and that if she had just been honest and complied.. but she escalated it, and she bears responsibility.

That's what I think is eerie about this. That the idea that failure to comply means unreasonable force can be used.. and this is acceptable is being stated by folks on this board and being echoed by police.
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Im still waiting to see who thinks that THIS case is acceptable.

Each case is evaluated on its own facts and circumstances. This is not comparable to tasing someone for resisting arrest.
 
Northern Light said:
Dashcam Video Shows Cops Searching Woman's Vagina For 11 Minutes, Lawyer Says



There is a video at the link, if you have the stomach to watch it.

I would call this rape and not due process. Yet the police were let off the hook.

When is law enforcement reform going to happen in this country?
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Wow. My day in LE was over 20 years ago but even then that would have been a non-starter and all involved would have been fired at least and possibly charged.

We never did actual body cavity searches as such.... if necessary it was farmed out to medical personnel and done at the hospital. The most we ever did was a strip search with a VISUAL ONLY, non contact examination of the orifices surface appearance (ie looking for a string hanging out indicating something is hidden in there) and all searches of females were done by female officers. NEVER on the street; ALWAYS in an enclosed private space.
 
Caine said:
Im still waiting to see who thinks that THIS case is acceptable.

Each case is evaluated on its own facts and circumstances. This is not comparable to tasing someone for resisting arrest.
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She was charged with resisting. The officers gave the same reason for performing this as the other officer did in the tasing. Non compliance...

And charges were dropped on the officers and they are currently at work.
 
Northern Light said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/...-of-womans-vagina_us_5991abd1e4b08a247275e473



There is a video at the link, if you have the stomach to watch it.

I would call this rape and not due process. Yet the police were let off the hook.

When is law enforcement reform going to happen in this country?
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Color me skeptical of all sides. I wish I could believe her. I wish I could believe the law. Too much **** going on. You had people lying about Michael brown and all that. I would be willing to bet that other LEOs in the department know these guys on a more personal level and could give insight into these people.

I lean to her because of video. I haven't watched. But if there is video? It should give us more than enough to deal with these guys. Now. All that said. Let's address your question.

Because law enforcement is a dirty stressful job that comes with few benefits and a lot of hate. And at the end of the day? It can destroy your humanity. You might as well ask why we don't get better educated and qualified garbage men. Except the reality is that we DO...because the job is easier and has more perks. Like not dealing with the dregs of society.

If you want to see LEO improvement...give them more. Give them more support and help them deal with the corrupt. Help them put away the **** heels that run our society into the ground. I think they are a symptom. Not a cause. It is easy to have a good department in a fancy golf course community.




The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).
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Goshin said:
Wow. My day in LE was over 20 years ago but even then that would have been a non-starter and all involved would have been fired at least and possibly charged.

We never did actual body cavity searches as such.... if necessary it was farmed out to medical personnel and done at the hospital. The most we ever did was a strip search with a VISUAL ONLY, non contact examination of the orifices surface appearance (ie looking for a string hanging out indicating something is hidden in there) and all searches of females were done by female officers. NEVER on the street; ALWAYS in an enclosed private space.
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We started hiring animals to police animals because it is all we could afford. And now we have animals policing people.

Let's put it this way. If she were my girlfriend...I would want all involved dead. Maybe not right then...but they would want those guys to be dead men. I can't help but feel many have the same view. Even cops. But maybe these guys know they are untouchable? Why? Large department. Houston. Large city departments seem to have a lot of corruption. Or is that just me?




The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).
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Caine said:
The conversation wasn't about "enforcement of constitutional rights" in the first place.

Why do you always twist someone's words into something they didn't say? You did the same thing with the Google memo guy.
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Yes; yes it was:

GhostlyJoe said:
Nobody is claiming that, but there have been incidents in communities all over the country, from Cleveland to L.A. to Texas. Until our system starts policing itself and holding rogue officers accountable, then we will continue to call for systemic change. Considering that our new administration has set aside existing consent decrees in cities like St. Louis and Baltimore, we're moving in the wrong direction.
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These 'rogue officers' are violating the constitutional rights in cases like the one laid out in the OP. There may be local laws that add to the search and seizure/due process protections granted by the constitution, but they do not have the right to subtract from those protections. The net is cast at the federal level, and that is the level at which it must secure enforcement.
 
Absentglare said:
Yes; yes it was:



These 'rogue officers' are violating the constitutional rights in cases like the one laid out in the OP. There may be local laws that add to the search and seizure/due process protections granted by the constitution, but they do not have the right to subtract from those protections. The net is cast at the federal level, and that is the level at which it must secure enforcement.
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Your absolute lack of knowledge on this issue makes it really difficult to discuss anything with you.

Im not in the mood for mindless back and forth at this moment (like you proved capable of in the Google debate). So I'm just going to leave it at that.

Good day.
 
Caine said:
Your absolute lack of knowledge on this issue makes it really difficult to discuss anything with you.

Im not in the mood for mindless back and forth at this moment (like you proved capable of in the Google debate). So I'm just going to leave it at that.

Good day.
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None of your forfeit above actually addresses the content of my argument.

My argument is that her constitutional rights were violated by these officers. Our federal government needs to ensure that the rights explicitly enumerated in our federal constitution are enforced.

Are you claiming that her constitutional rights were not violated, or are you simply acknowledging that i'm right?
 
Caine said:
So the charges being dropped is "the whole" of society?????

I also note you ignored once again my request to provide evidence that many people on this board agree with the actions as you specifically stated earlier.
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I agree that one anecdote does not represent the whole. However, dropped charges in this case does equal condoning of their individual actions, and this type of condoning is not unheard of.
 
radcen said:
I agree that one anecdote does not represent the whole. However, dropped charges in this case does equal condoning of their individual actions, and this type of condoning is not unheard of.
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I agree.

But it is an example of broken local systems that need repair.
 
blackjack50 said:
Color me skeptical of all sides. I wish I could believe her. I wish I could believe the law. Too much **** going on. You had people lying about Michael brown and all that. I would be willing to bet that other LEOs in the department know these guys on a more personal level and could give insight into these people.

I lean to her because of video. I haven't watched. But if there is video? It should give us more than enough to deal with these guys. Now. All that said. Let's address your question.

Because law enforcement is a dirty stressful job that comes with few benefits and a lot of hate. And at the end of the day? It can destroy your humanity. You might as well ask why we don't get better educated and qualified garbage men. Except the reality is that we DO...because the job is easier and has more perks. Like not dealing with the dregs of society.

If you want to see LEO improvement...give them more. Give them more support and help them deal with the corrupt. Help them put away the **** heels that run our society into the ground. I think they are a symptom. Not a cause. It is easy to have a good department in a fancy golf course community.
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I'm willing to see both sides, but not in this case. Rape is rape. If you want to strip search someone, you need to do it at the very least behind closed doors. You don't pull down a woman's pants and degrade her in a parking lot in full view of the public.

I won't accept police apologism in this case. I'm drawing my line in the sand. This is immoral and wrong.
 
blackjack50 said:
Color me skeptical of all sides. I wish I could believe her. I wish I could believe the law. Too much **** going on. You had people lying about Michael brown and all that. I would be willing to bet that other LEOs in the department know these guys on a more personal level and could give insight into these people.

I lean to her because of video. I haven't watched. But if there is video? It should give us more than enough to deal with these guys. Now. All that said. Let's address your question.

Because law enforcement is a dirty stressful job that comes with few benefits and a lot of hate. And at the end of the day? It can destroy your humanity. You might as well ask why we don't get better educated and qualified garbage men. Except the reality is that we DO...because the job is easier and has more perks. Like not dealing with the dregs of society.

If you want to see LEO improvement...give them more. Give them more support and help them deal with the corrupt. Help them put away the **** heels that run our society into the ground. I think they are a symptom. Not a cause. It is easy to have a good department in a fancy golf course community.
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Does this include the "thin blue line" when their own are corrupt?
 
Caine said:
Really?

I haven't seen such people comment.... care to quote them?

Making stuff up like this is very antagonistic.
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I believe he was being sarcastic.
 
This is absolutely horrific, the cops should be on trial for rape. I hope her lawyer sues the crap out them and the state.
 
Maybe Trump can write a Executive Order stating this cop has 3 days to turn himself in before the sniper drone strike comes in for him. Police raping the public trust is a matter of national security.
 
I hope she sues the police for millions and millions and that the officers will be prosecuted for civil rights violations because sadly the police gets away with virtually everything, even with a case like this.
 
PoS said:
Because of sovereign immunity. That needs to be taken away.
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Dragonfly said:
I'm okay with this being a precedent setting case.
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Ikari said:
We don't really hold cops accountable for their abuses of power.
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Lots of basically useless teeth gnashing here. Officers do not have complete immunity, they have qualified immunity and anyone who thinks about it for more than a few emotional seconds can understand why it's necessary. Make it so that every belligerent drunk driver, gang banger, child raper, or any disgruntled person who doesn't like that they were arrested can tie up a police officer in litigation and let's just not even bother with having police officers anymore.
 
Northern Light said:
Dashcam Video Shows Cops Searching Woman's Vagina For 11 Minutes, Lawyer Says



There is a video at the link, if you have the stomach to watch it.

I would call this rape and not due process. Yet the police were let off the hook.

When is law enforcement reform going to happen in this country?
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Disgusting. I watched the video. I've never heard of yanking the pants off of someone on the side of the road for a traffic stop, just because you smelled pot smoke in the car. That woman cop who did the "search" should be on admin leave right now. So should the other cop who stood by and let it happen.

I never thought a woman would do that to another woman. I don't know if I'd call it rape though.
 
X Factor said:
Lots of basically useless teeth gnashing here. Officers do not have complete immunity, they have qualified immunity and anyone who thinks about it for more than a few emotional seconds can understand why it's necessary. Make it so that every belligerent drunk driver, gang banger, child raper, or any disgruntled person who doesn't like that they were arrested can tie up a police officer in litigation and let's just not even bother with having police officers anymore.
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A fair point, but in this case they should go to prison.
 
jaeger19 said:
Well.. since it is one of many many many examples of police doing egregious stuff (stuff that's so bad it makes the internet and the media like this video) that should get them prosecuted or at least fired..and yet the police get away with it like these two did?

Yes.. its indicative of a "whole society"..

Oh.. I am not ignoring anything.. I wasn;t aware that you wanted evidence.

Simple.. just go back to the thread on the women who was tased because she didn;t get out of the car. There are a plethora of examples of people claiming it was her fault because she didn;t comply.

Then.. research what the police officer in this situation told the woman who was held down and body searched:

On the video you hear her ask the cop why he searched her in public with people walking by. The cop told her.. "you should have been honest from the start.. you escalated it.. I gave you several outs." or something to that effect.

Eerily similar with what a number of people were saying about the woman who was tased (a potentially lethal method) .. even though she offered no threat to the officer.
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I don't believe that is true. For the first thing, the officer that searched her was a WOMAN. There was a woman officer and a male officer. The WOMAN officer searched, while the male officer was standing there looking the other way.

It's disgusting as it is, no need to add false narrative to it.
 
ecofarm said:
A fair point, but in this case they should go to prison.
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I agree that if all the descriptions of what happened are true, There doesn't seem to be justification for what happened here.
 
TurtleDude said:
that's why we need to end the idiotic war on drugs-especially weed. those cops should get 20 years in state prison for rape. after doing time in federal prison for violating her civil rights under the color of state law.
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TD, 20 years in state prison for rape? That's a little overkill. One - it was the female cop who searched the girl. The male cop didn't touch her. It wasn't a "rape". I'd be happy if the cop who searched her got fired and the guy who stood there doing nothing about it got fired also.

A civil lawsuit should and is being pursued.
 
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