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I know my rights! No, no you don't.

jaeger19 said:
You don;t get it.. I was a reserve police officer (and not that long ago). I still occasionally go on training rides with new reserve officers. I know exactly how its different.. and its the attitude of the police.

Personally, I think its because they get way to much tactical training and rather poor tactical training at that. Hours of "bang your dead" exercises are not preparing these officers for the real world where the vast vast vast majority of the public is NOT trying to ambush them.
Heck.. the vast vast vast majority of criminals are not trying to ambush them.

You can see the lack of training in the incidents that have happened. An unarmed man lying on the ground gets shot by a cop.. ... a cop is "startled" and a unarmed woman gets shot after calling the police, a CCW carrier on a traffic stop who TELLS the officer that he has a firearm and complies with the officers order to get his registration.. gets shot.

Cripes.. these cops are so busy seeing everyone as a threat.. that they can't actually see the real threats.

by the way.. over the last couple of decades crime and violence HAVE GONE DOWN... we are actually at one of the safest times in history..and yet our police force acts as if we are in the most dangerous.
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You were a nothing and I don't buy a word of your claims.
 
RogueWarrior said:
That is not quite correct.
They must have reasonable articulable suspicion to stop you. I believe they also have to inform you what that suspicion is.
This is what got Arpaio in trouble. Brown skin is not reason enough to detain people.
A vehicular stop is different though. There are different rules.
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I don't know whether they must inform you of the reason for the stop - I know I've always been informed when the police have stopped me - but I don't know that it's actually required.


"Reasonable articulable suspicion" is mostly a fiction because it's in practice left to the officer to decide what's reasonable. The courts will almost always defer to the officer's judgment.
One that was used with me a couple of years ago:

"Do you know why I stopped you?"

"No. officer."

"You swerved back there."

"Yes to avoid that huge pothole."

The officer then ticketed me for tinted windows (on a car I had just received from someone in Florida where the tint was legal - it's not in NY though I didn't know it at the time).

I fought the ticket and won because the cop chose to not show up that day but had I argued that the stop was illegal because there was a pothole and it was 3pm on a workday so it's not reasonable for the cop to think I was DUI I would have lost.
 
Renae said:
You were a nothing and I don't buy a word of your claims.
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I don't really care what you believe. The proof is in the pudding.

We just had a cop shoot an innocent woman because he was "startled". We have had police shoot a guy while he is lying unarmed on the ground with his arms in the air.

An unarmed fellow got shot while he stepped out of his car after an accident. The evidence of what I am stating is very evident.

Violent crime in the U.S. has fallen sharply over the past quarter century. There are two commonly cited measures of the nation’s crime rate. One is an annual report by the FBI of serious crimes reported to police in approximately 18,000 jurisdictions around the country. The other is an annual survey of more than 90,000 households conducted by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, which asks Americans ages 12 and older whether they were the victims of crime in the past six months (regardless of whether they reported those crimes to the police or not). Both the FBI and BJS data show a substantial decline in the violent crime rate since its peak in the early 1990s.

Using the FBI numbers, the rate fell 50% between 1993 and 2015, the most recent full year available. Using the BJS data, the rate fell by 77% during that span
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So crime rates have fallen...

but what do the people think?

Public perceptions about crime in the U.S. often don’t align with the data. Opinion surveys regularly find that Americans believe crime is up, even when the data show it is down. In 21 Gallup surveys conducted since 1989, a majority of Americans said there was more crime in the U.S. compared with the year before, despite the generally downward trend in both violent and property crime rates during much of that period. In a Pew Research Center survey in late 2016, 57% of registered voters said crime had gotten worse since 2008, even though BJS and FBI data show that violent and property crime rates declined by double-digit percentages during that span.
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the facts speak for themselves.
 
There seems in my mind to be an unsubtle difference between when a cop makes a request (can I search your car?) and an order (get out of the car).
 
Renae said:


You just hit me with a taser for speeding are you kidding me???

I love this video. This is the best video of stupidity failing.

She don't drink but she was impaired. LOL
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She most definitely had the right to choose to act however she wished. She also had the right to face the consequences for her choice of actions - which in this instance included being arrested, being tased, being dragged out of her car, and being pressed into the ground while being handcuffed (and no, young lady, he wasn't kidding you). She didn't, however, have the inalienable right to refuse to follow a lawful order of a police officer without having to endure the results of the choice to refuse to follow a lawful order - see my sig below.

On side note, I LOL'ed.
 
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