Harrisonburg Man Pleads Guilty to Submitting Fraudulent Voter Registration Forms

SocialD · Aug 17, 2017

Mustachio said:
You're making points I already responded to. The watchdog group had every name investigated. Two were legitimate causes of fraud. We have to prove that we are who we say we are and live where we say we live when we register to vote in Minnesota. Franken would have won by much more but he stopped challenging ballots when he had mathematically won. He could have won by 1,000+ votes but it didn't matter and Coleman gave in. EDIT: you're conflating two challenges to the election. One was for election fraud, the other for felons voting. Unless a separate group had an updated challenge with more (some) evidence.

You didn't answer my question, though. The Heritage Foundation website you linked to had tons of cases where people voted multiple times via absentee ballot. How does voter ID stop that and if you're determined to cheat, wouldn't that be the way to do it instead of the much riskier method of voting in multiple precincts or fraudulently registering? I only ask questions twice, after that it's clear that whoever I'm talking to has no answer. I said it SOUNDS like a good idea (voter ID). In theory. Why isn't it? Because you have no answer to my question.

I will refer you to where I said 177 were prosecuted for illegal voting. not 2

Mustachio · Aug 17, 2017

SocialD said:
I will refer you to where I said 177 were prosecuted for illegal voting. not 2

Don't know where you're getting your numbers from:

The Minnesota County Attorney’s Association reports that 2,921,498 Minnesotans voted in 2008. Only 26 voters were convicted of felon registration or voting illegally. That’s nine-ten thousandth of one per cent, or 0.0089 percent of voters.

and from another article

“The numbers are a complete lie,” Freeman’s spokesman said before the Hennepin County Attorney came on the phone. “They keep going on television and repeating this lie, even though we debunked this with the work we had to do.”

Their conclusions are consistent with research done by Bonnifield’s group, Citizens for Election Integrity Minnesota, following the 2008 senatorial recount. Her November 2010 report found only 26 voter fraud convictions across the state at that time. They were all ex-felons who registered to vote but never voted (32 percent) or who voted (68 percent) before restoring their voting rights

Again, I think you're conflating two things: felons voting (knowing or not they can't) and voter fraud. But you never answered my question, which is how voter ID would solve absentee ballot fraud, so I'm going to rightly assume you can't answer that.

SocialD · Aug 18, 2017

Mustachio said:
Don't know where you're getting your numbers from:

and from another article

Again, I think you're conflating two things: felons voting (knowing or not they can't) and voter fraud. But you never answered my question, which is how voter ID would solve absentee ballot fraud, so I'm going to rightly assume you can't answer that.

I'm getting the numbers from the Washingtonexaminer article I linked and that you were responding to.
"And so far, Fund and von Spakovsky report, 177 people have been convicted -- not just accused, but convicted -- of voting fraudulently in the Senate race. Another 66 are awaiting trial"