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Are police really heros?

For going into ghetto areas and dealing with people whom I would never want to deal with, they absolutely are heroes.
 
Lutherf said:
Nobody is a hero just because of the uniform they wear or the job they take on. The term is thrown around like a damned participation trophy these days.
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People who run into burning buildings to save innocents are heroes. On that I think that all agree. They're heroes because they go into a risky area to help innocents. Why aren't police, who do the same things by going into dangerous neighborhoods and situations, not also heroes?
 
phattonez said:
People who run into burning buildings to save innocents are heroes. On that I think that all agree. They're heroes because they go into a risky area to help innocents. Why aren't police, who do the same things by going into dangerous neighborhoods and situations, not also heroes?
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Because not all of are committed to selfless acts.
 
phattonez said:
For going into ghetto areas and dealing with people whom I would never want to deal with, they absolutely are heroes.
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Are those who live there and deal with those people heroes?
 
Grand Mal said:
Are those who live there and deal with those people heroes?
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If they're confronting criminals and bringing them to justice, yes.
 
phattonez said:
Taking a risk for the benefit of others is heroic, yes.
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I doubt that law enforcement is in anybody's top ten dangerous jobs. Thousands of people put their lives on the line as part of their job every day and don't make a deal out of it.
A job that would be appallingly dangerous for you is just an ordinary day for someone else.
 
Lutherf said:
Nobody is a hero just because of the uniform they wear or the job they take on. The term is thrown around like a damned participation trophy these days.
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You mean all those award winners at the Oscars aren't really heroes???
 
Grand Mal said:
I doubt that law enforcement is in anybody's top ten dangerous jobs. Thousands of people put their lives on the line as part of their job every day and don't make a deal out of it.
A job that would be appallingly dangerous for you is just an ordinary day for someone else.
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Such as roofers and linemen.
 
phattonez said:
Taking a risk for the benefit of others is heroic, yes.
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Doing your job doesn't make you a hero. Going above and beyond expectations for the benefit of someone other than yourself is what makes someone a hero.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Such as roofers and linemen.
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Such as. Loggers and fishermen around here. I was a structural Ironworker for nearly 30 years. Farming is a more dangerous job than law enforcement.
 
Grand Mal said:
Such as. Loggers and fishermen around here. I was a structural Ironworker for nearly 30 years. Farming is a more dangerous job than law enforcement.
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A dude I know needed a patch on his roof, he was to old to climb a ladder, I went to his house to volunteer, when I saw the pitch on that roof, I said "not me, no sir" I was going to do it for free, but no amount of $ would of got me up there.

Structual iron work is pretty sketchy stuff, I weld but I don't leave the ground.
 
truthatallcost said:
The American people have changed, not the police. When police officers ambushed Bonnie and Clyde in 1932, no one cared because B&C were cold blooded criminals. Today, the American criminal is glamorized in movies, TV shows and media, while the police are painted as the bad guys.
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I think things like the war on drugs and even highway safety has also contributed to the divide.

A murder happens down the street and the police go door to door looking for witnesses and people wont ooen the door because they are afraid a cop might notice an unsmoked roach in the ashtray and end going to jail for trying to help.

Highway patrolman have become revenue collectors and they ticket people for making honest mistakes. This ceates annimosity between good people.

I guess my point isnt that cops are bad because most of them are just like you and me, but they, the system, and ourselves all bear a certain amount of responsibility for the poor relations.

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trouble13 said:
I think things like the war on drugs and even highway safety has also contributed to the divide.
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The police aren't responsible for any of that, they take their orders from the Mayor, and whoever controls politics. Look at Sanctuary Cities; most police officers don't agree with the idea that illegals should be allowed to commit crimes without facing deportation, but they are obliged to support the political power that mandates how they're allowed to do their job.

A murder happens down the street and the police go door to door looking for witnesses and people wont ooen the door because they are afraid a cop might notice an unsmoked roach in the ashtray and end going to jail for trying to help.
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No one goes to jail for a roach in 2017. Even the strictest PD would only write a citation for that. People in poorer neighborhoods won't talk to police because that's the culture- talking to the police can result in retribution.

Highway patrolman have become revenue collectors and they ticket people for making honest mistakes. This ceates annimosity between good people.
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Again, politicians set the criteria, and highway patrol officers have to enforce it, then they receive all of the backlash, and have to deal with repercussions if they don't write tickets. Meanwhile, those that create the policy are given a free pass.

I guess my point isnt that cops are bad because most of them are just like you and me, but they, the system, and ourselves all bear a certain amount of responsibility for the poor relations.

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I really think society has changed, but the police haven't. Self responsibilty isn't a high priority for some people anymore. If someone breaks the law, and then complains that it's the police's fault because they were caught, I'm not really prone to care much. If the police abuse their power, then yes they need to be punished, but I just don't see it occurring to the degree that people are claiming.
 
truthatallcost said:
The police aren't responsible for any of that, they take their orders from the Mayor, and whoever controls politics. Look at Sanctuary Cities; most police officers don't agree with the idea that illegals should be allowed to commit crimes without facing deportation, but they are obliged to support the political power that mandates how they're allowed to do their job.



No one goes to jail for a roach in 2017. Even the strictest PD would only write a citation for that. People in poorer neighborhoods won't talk to police because that's the culture- talking to the police can result in retribution.



Again, politicians set the criteria, and highway patrol officers have to enforce it, then they receive all of the backlash, and have to deal with repercussions if they don't write tickets. Meanwhile, those that create the policy are given a free pass.



I really think society has changed, but the police haven't. Self responsibilty isn't a high priority for some people anymore. If someone breaks the law, and then complains that it's the police's fault because they were caught, I'm not really prone to care much. If the police abuse their power, then yes they need to be punished, but I just don't see it occurring to the degree that people are claiming.
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Maybe i was too obtuse with my point. I was trying to say that the police have been put into a difficult position thanks to the powers that be that have alieniated them from thr people they are sworn to protect and serve.

People have changed as you point out but so has the police force.

People and police have devolved into an adversarial relationship. Neither side is blameless.

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Lutherf said:
Doing your job doesn't make you a hero. Going above and beyond expectations for the benefit of someone other than yourself is what makes someone a hero.
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I second that one.
 
Having a dangerous job does not mean you have the right to abuse the privileges that come with that job, nor does it mean your ethics/judgement are beyond public scrutiny - especially when you work for the public.

In my experience police work is a mixed bag of heroes, lazy bums, and sociopaths high on power. The ratio of each vary city to city.
 
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