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Former Arizona tough guy Sheriff Joe Arpaio going to jail

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Vox said:
That's insane.

Our police break the law all the time to keep us safe.

Do you not realize that officers break the speed limit to catch fleeing criminals? They destroy property, they break down doors, they do things that the rest of us would be jailed for.

Do you not realize that they KILL people to save OUR lives? It's called Justifiable Homicide. We need more of it.
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:lamo

You clearly have not studied law. Under the law, the police can go faster than the speed limit to catch a criminal, *only if they have their emergency siren on*. Otherwise, they are going to jail. "Justifiable homicide" also has very specific legal definitions. If the police do not meet them, they are going to jail.

For example, if a police officer goes out and starts shooting every guy on the street who he thinks may look Hispanic and therefore possibly an illegal immigrant, would that be OK with you? Do you think that would be legal and create a safe and secure society for all of us? What if he went out and shot every guy on the street who he thought looked like a motorcycle gang member? After all, he might argue, he is doing it to make us all safer, right? Is that your idea of what should be legal?
 
Re: Former AZ tough-guy sherriff Joe Arpaio going to jail!

Vox said:
I agree.

And if we took a poll we'd find that the average American cheers when cops get aggressive with murderers, drug dealers and other scum.

We're SICK TO DEATH of criminals being coddled and treated like celebrities.
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I am sure pretty soon we will be burning suspected witches at the stake too. Trial by ordeal, maybe?
 
Re: Former AZ tough-guy sherriff Joe Arpaio going to jail!

Vox said:
He'll get probation.

He did a good job dealing with murderers and drug dealers and other scum. He kept us safe for 40 years.......you think we're going to throw him in jail now for a minor infraction that was done in good faith?

LOL!

Never happen.
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He didn't do it in good faith, which you'd know if you were at all familiar with the details of the case.

He didn't keep you safe for 40 years, which you'd know if you were at all familiar with his history.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news...ones-claim-crime-arpaio-partly-true/12952799/
Report: The Notorious Record of Maricopa County, AZ's Sheriff Joe Arpaio - America's Voice
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...-costs-Arizona-200-million-just-being-himself

Yet again you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
Re: Former AZ tough-guy sherriff Joe Arpaio going to jail!

Tanngrisnir said:
He didn't do it in good faith, which you'd know if you were at all familiar with the details of the case.

He didn't keep you safe for 40 years, which you'd know if you were at all familiar with his history.

Fact check: Jones' claim on crime under Arpaio
Report: The Notorious Record of Maricopa County, AZ's Sheriff Joe Arpaio - America's Voice
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...-costs-Arizona-200-million-just-being-himself

Yet again you have no idea what you're talking about.
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LOL!

If your information were true and applicable.......he should be going to prison for life.

:mrgreen:

Get off it......he did a good job and because of that he won't spend a minute in jail.
 
Re: Former AZ tough-guy sherriff Joe Arpaio going to jail!

Vox said:
LOL!

If your information were true and applicable.......he should be going to prison for life.

:mrgreen:

Get off it......he did a good job and because of that he won't spend a minute in jail.
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Your hatred of the rule of law and inability to deal with reality duly noted.

Sorry your hero is a convicted criminal.
 
ataraxia said:
This "sheriff" was responsible for upholding the law and the Constitution. But spurred on by the hateful rhetoric of rabid conservative talk show hosts, he ordered patrols to use racial profiling to find supposed illegal immigrant . When clearly ordered by the court to stop, he defiantly continued, even bragging on national media that he was going to continue. Conservatives cheered his open, flagrant defiance of the courts and the law. He was sticking it to the system!

Well, now the hammer has now come down, and come down hard. He is going to jail.

He tried to defend himself in court by saying the court order "was not clear", not that he was trying to openly and willfully disobey the courts and break the law. Yeah, right, buddy. Too bad you were caught on video bragging about defying the courts on national TV. Too little too late now.

He thinks he was "America's toughest sheriff"? Let's see how tough he is next time the soap falls in the shower.

Fortunately, we remain a country of laws. If anything will save us now, it's that. Even if we now have a president and a large portion of pitchfork-and-torches carrying mob in this country, if anything will save us from turning into Venezuela and Somalia, it's the courts.

Joe Arpaio, former Arizona aheriff, found guilty of contempt - CNN.com
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This guy could be the next conservative hero. Like KY clerk Kim Davis, he can sit in the slammer penning inspirational letters about God and justice. Then be declared a modern MLK.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Only illegal aliens and political leaders are above the law. American citizens go to jail for enforcing our laws.
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That comment is just ignorant hyperbole.
 
beefheart said:
That comment is just ignorant hyperbole.
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No. It is looking like the facts.

Maybe we need a sanctuary city for officers who round up illegal aliens who have no respect for our laws.:confused:
 
ataraxia said:
This "sheriff" was responsible for upholding the law and the Constitution. But spurred on by the hateful rhetoric of rabid conservative talk show hosts, he ordered patrols to use racial profiling to find supposed illegal immigrant . When clearly ordered by the court to stop, he defiantly continued, even bragging on national media that he was going to continue. Conservatives cheered his open, flagrant defiance of the courts and the law. He was sticking it to the system!

Well, now the hammer has now come down, and come down hard. He is going to jail.

He tried to defend himself in court by saying the court order "was not clear", not that he was trying to openly and willfully disobey the courts and break the law. Yeah, right, buddy. Too bad you were caught on video bragging about defying the courts on national TV. Too little too late now.

He thinks he was "America's toughest sheriff"? Let's see how tough he is next time the soap falls in the shower.

Fortunately, we remain a country of laws. If anything will save us now, it's that. Even if we now have a president and a large portion of pitchfork-and-torches carrying mob in this country, if anything will save us from turning into Venezuela and Somalia, it's the courts.

Joe Arpaio, former Arizona aheriff, found guilty of contempt - CNN.com
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Not only do I doubt the Sheriff will serve any time, if he decides to appeal the conviction, He has a good case. I doubt the law against profiling would stand up in the US Supreme Court. Profiling is a necessary part of law enforcement. Take it away and many less criminals will be caught.
 
VanceMack said:
I suspect that the sheriff of a US city will probably not see jail time for enforcing the US laws of the land. Even if it takes a pardon for the current president to throw out bull**** charges from a previous administration that refused to enforce immigration law.

I could be wrong...but I doubt it.
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Good point. Obama should have been convicted for failing to enforce our immigration laws. He in effect violated his oath of office.
 
This is what I believe throws a wrinkle in the whole issue regarding Arpaio. First judge says stop doing them. Higher court says, no he can proceed. Have not seen any reports on this last trail that found Arpaio guilty of contempt of court, this was brought up.

"A federal appeals court has*lifted a judge's ruling that effectively blocked Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio*from conducting his controversial workplace raids.
Monday’s decision from a panel of judges on the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals reverses a preliminary injunction issued last year by*U.S. District Court Judge David Campbell. Campbell*is presiding over a class-action lawsuit against Arpaio, County Attorney Bill Montgomery and the state of Arizona

Appeals court reverses ban on Sheriff Joe Arpaio workplace raids

imo, the issue with MCSO and Arpaio is that it became political. In Maricopa county there are many illegal immigrant supporters.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
No. It is looking like the facts.

Maybe we need a sanctuary city for officers who round up illegal aliens who have no respect for our laws.:confused:
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Arpaio is a convicted criminal, no two ways around it...find a new hero.
 
mike2810 said:
This is what I believe throws a wrinkle in the whole issue regarding Arpaio. First judge says stop doing them. Higher court says, no he can proceed. Have not seen any reports on this last trail that found Arpaio guilty of contempt of court, this was brought up.

"A federal appeals court has*lifted a judge's ruling that effectively blocked Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio*from conducting his controversial workplace raids.
Monday’s decision from a panel of judges on the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals reverses a preliminary injunction issued last year by*U.S. District Court Judge David Campbell. Campbell*is presiding over a class-action lawsuit against Arpaio, County Attorney Bill Montgomery and the state of Arizona

Appeals court reverses ban on Sheriff Joe Arpaio workplace raids

imo, the issue with MCSO and Arpaio is that it became political. In Maricopa county there are many illegal immigrant supporters.
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Arpaio lost the civil case...where he admitted what he did. He lost the criminal case where they tried to say he was too stupid.

Nice try. He is a convicted criminal
 
beefheart said:
Arpaio lost the civil case...where he admitted what he did. He lost the criminal case where they tried to say he was too stupid.

Nice try. He is a convicted criminal
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Nice try on your part. You did not really address the point of the court reversing the ban.

As we all know, judges and juries never get anything wrong.:mrgreen:
 
I say we shut down every business that hires illegal aliens.

We deport the illegal aliens and put the owners in prison. We can start with all the farms and Hollywood actors exploiting the illegal aliens. Like Capone all these owners need to be sitting in jail for tax evasion. All the illegal aliens need to be charged with tax evasion, deported, and banned from ever stepping foot in our country again.

It is time only law abiding upstanding people are allowed into our country. It is time to stem the tide of criminals and replace them with decent people coming to our country.

It is time to go after these criminals where they live, where they work, and where they are breaking our laws.
 
mike2810 said:
Nice try on your part. You did not really address the point of the court reversing the ban.

As we all know, judges and juries never get anything wrong.:mrgreen:
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Did Arpaio lose the civil and the criminal case? Yes, both of them. He is a convicted criminal. No equivocation on that.
 
beefheart said:
Did Arpaio lose the civil and the criminal case? Yes, both of them. He is a convicted criminal. No equivocation on that.
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Never said he wasn't convicted.

Has judges or juries ever convict a wrong person? Yes or No will do.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Please demonstrate that Arpaio was wrongly convicted.
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Why? Maybe if you extended the courtesy of answering my question.

Based on the information out for the public, if I was in the jury I would not have found him guilty. He was denied a jury trail. So we have the opinion of the judge. Let us see what the appeal process brings.

I won't answer your question until the process is finished. As it stands now the judge found him guilty.

Again, Have judges or juries ever convict a wrong person? Yes or No.
 
mike2810 said:
Why? Maybe if you extended the courtesy of answering my question.

Based on the information out for the public, if I was in the jury I would not have found him guilty. He was denied a jury trail. So we have the opinion of the judge. Let us see what the appeal process brings.

I won't answer your question until the process is finished. As it stands now the judge found him guilty.

Again, Have judges or juries ever convict a wrong person? Yes or No.
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So you cannot demonstrate that he was wrongly convicted.

Thanks for failing. Your question was asinine and irrelevant to the matter at hand.
 
mike2810 said:
Why? Maybe if you extended the courtesy of answering my question.

Based on the information out for the public, if I was in the jury I would not have found him guilty. He was denied a jury trail. So we have the opinion of the judge. Let us see what the appeal process brings.

I won't answer your question until the process is finished. As it stands now the judge found him guilty.

Again, Have judges or juries ever convict a wrong person? Yes or No.
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The coward didn't even show up to his own hearing.

Again...what don't you understand about how Arpaio admitted he was guilty in the civil trial? And that he is guilty in the criminal trial. The fact that you are talking about a jury in these trials shows just how little you know about his two trials. (hint, do some reading, you missed something about his appeal to the SC to get a jury on this)
 
OK. Never mind this thread. I thought we were going to see the rule of law in action, in a country which prides itself on being a nation of laws, and that justice was about to be served. I forgot Trump was in the whitehouse and primitive tribalism is the new motto for the country.
 
beefheart said:
Did Arpaio lose the civil and the criminal case? Yes, both of them. He is a convicted criminal. No equivocation on that.
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Not any more. Thanks to a presidential pardon that little misdemeanor conviction is no more.
 
Southern Dad said:
Not any more. Thanks to a presidential pardon that little misdemeanor conviction is no more.
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Yes he is still convicted, by accepting the pardon he accepts the guilt- check the law.
 
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