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Justified or not justified?

The constant tasing of a man while in a restraint chair, in this case seems:

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This man (18) was put in the chair because he resisted, fair enough, but if you are being constantly tased, how on earth can you comply.

The stepfather of the boy/man at first accepted the explanation by the police that tasing him dozens of times had been due to the boys constant resistance, but after seeing this video the dad changed his opinion.



ASHLAND CITY, Tenn. (AP) — A federal lawsuit claims a Tennessee sheriff's department used excessive force on an 18-year-old in custody in 2016.

WTVF-TV reports that the lawsuit names three Cheatham County sheriff's deputies who it claims used stun guns on Jordan Norris while he was physically restrained in a restraint chair. Norris was arrested on drug and weapons charges in November.

The county's use of force report says Norris had banged his head against his cell door and was threatening other inmates. Booking camera video shows deputies using a stun gun to get Norris in the chair, and the lawsuit says they used it again while he was on suicide watch. Attorney Ben Raybin said the force was excessive and not appropriate.

Sheriff Mike Breedlove said deputies followed procedure.
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https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/tennessee/articles/2017-07-28/lawsuit-claims-deputies-used-excessive-force-with-stun-guns

Not going to go into the charges, that is for a court to decide, but my worrying observations here was that the boss of these three officers/deputies thinks his guys followed procedure. How can it be procedure when trying to "protect someone from injuring themselves" to use that many taser shots to the guys body. One was straight to the chest and not for a short time.

So what do you think from watching this video, is this simply restraining someone or more than just restraining someone?
 
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Unfortunately many people become cops because they enjoy inflicting violence and flexing their authority over people who can't fight back. Some of them, I assume, are good people. This is an obvious case of unnecessary force and is blatant torture. In no situation should someone who's fully restrained head-to-toe be repeatedly shocked to satisfy someone's jollies. All 4 of them should put in the same prison and treated by the inmates as they were treated.
 
Peter King said:


This man (18) was put in the chair because he resisted, fair enough, but if you are being constantly tased, how on earth can you comply.

The stepfather of the boy/man at first accepted the explanation by the police that tasing him dozens of times had been due to the boys constant resistance, but after seeing this video the dad changed his opinion.





https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/tennessee/articles/2017-07-28/lawsuit-claims-deputies-used-excessive-force-with-stun-guns

Not going to go into the charges, that is for a court to decide, but my worrying observations here was that the boss of these three officers/deputies thinks his guys followed procedure. How can it be procedure when trying to "protect someone from injuring themselves" to use that many taser shots to the guys body. One was straight to the chest and not for a short time.

So what do you think from watching this video, is this simply restraining someone or more than just restraining someone?
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I agree with your analogy. The kid is being tazed into a complete melt down. How in the hell can any human act rationally when you have a constant barrage of thousands of volts being applied to your body.

Of course, we only get to see what is not edited out in this video.

It's kinda like when the cops have a guy down with his arms behind his back, and they keep twisting his arms out of joint. The guys starts writhing in pain........................and meanwhile the cop keeps telling him to calm down and twisting harder.
 
RetiredUSN said:
I agree with your analogy. The kid is being tazed into a complete melt down. How in the hell can any human act rationally when you have a constant barrage of thousands of volts being applied to your body.

Of course, we only get to see what is not edited out in this video.

It's kinda like when the cops have a guy down with his arms behind his back, and they keep twisting his arms out of joint. The guys starts writhing in pain........................and meanwhile the cop keeps telling him to calm down and twisting harder.
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Aye, we can't see what happened before the video, but it's actually irrelevant. There's nothing he could've done prior to the video that would justify being repeatedly shocked while completely restrained. Same way as there is no justification for the beating or smothering to death of unarmed, restrained citizens on the street by a gang of angry cops.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Aye, we can't see what happened before the video, but it's actually irrelevant. There's nothing he could've done prior to the video that would justify being repeatedly shocked while completely restrained. Same way as there is no justification for the beating or smothering to death of unarmed, restrained citizens on the street by a gang of angry cops.
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I thought the constant sound of that taser going off was quite unnerving, placing it first on his chest, then on his leg and then close to the man's private parts (on his upper leg). And saying they would taser him until the batteries run out, chilling.
 
It's flat out torture. No other way to describe it. The subject is restrained and not physically capable of resisting at the point they're doing it. No justification whatsoever.
 
The practice as they conducted it is torture.

I honor cops for the tough job they need to do.

However, many cops are predators, and the predators (the sociopaths) go where their prey are: jails, boy scouts, schools, churches, etc.
 
molten_dragon said:
It's flat out torture. No other way to describe it. The subject is restrained and not physically capable of resisting at the point they're doing it. No justification whatsoever.
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That was my first thought, as well. Once he's restrained, isn't he no longer a threat?

And "following protocol", my ass. To me that excuse makes the sheriff complicit.
 
:roll: It's quite obvious these cowards feared for their lives. :roll:
 
Peter King said:


This man (18) was put in the chair because he resisted, fair enough, but if you are being constantly tased, how on earth can you comply.

The stepfather of the boy/man at first accepted the explanation by the police that tasing him dozens of times had been due to the boys constant resistance, but after seeing this video the dad changed his opinion.





https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/tennessee/articles/2017-07-28/lawsuit-claims-deputies-used-excessive-force-with-stun-guns

Not going to go into the charges, that is for a court to decide, but my worrying observations here was that the boss of these three officers/deputies thinks his guys followed procedure. How can it be procedure when trying to "protect someone from injuring themselves" to use that many taser shots to the guys body. One was straight to the chest and not for a short time.

So what do you think from watching this video, is this simply restraining someone or more than just restraining someone?
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This is completely ridiculous. There's no justification for it that I can see in anyway. IF this actually falls within guidelines theres a HUGE problem with the guidelines.
 
$30,000 (TN median is $27,000 and some large departments can pay $35 or even 40 but im betting that is rare) a year gets you this.

You will never see an improvement as long as this job as a human sewage worker is paid absolute crap and given the same level of support and respect. I have several close friends who are prison guards and are leaving the system for better prospects because of how poorly they are treated and compensated for one of the worst jobs you could have.

I'm not justifying these guys actions. I have gotten to the point where I am no longer surprised. But I know the endless bitching and moaning is just that...endless. Very few people are willing to step up and handle the problem.


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RabidAlpaca said:
Unfortunately many people become cops because they enjoy inflicting violence and flexing their authority over people who can't fight back. Some of them, I assume, are good people. This is an obvious case of unnecessary force and is blatant torture. In no situation should someone who's fully restrained head-to-toe be repeatedly shocked to satisfy someone's jollies. All 4 of them should put in the same prison and treated by the inmates as they were treated.
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This incident (and others) remind me of what was discovered in the Stanford Prison Experiment conducted in the 70s under the leadership of Philip Zimbardo. He wrote a book about the experiment entitled "The Lucifer Effect". Just a few of the elements of the 'dark side' of the human condition were discovered and documented.
 
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