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Trump tells police not to worry about injuring suspects during arrests

Lerxst said:
These kinds of discussions are just so full of edges. It's not an either/or, black/white, with us/against us kind of thing. Most cops are good people doing a difficult job because they believe in it. They are genuine. There are also a small number (relatively speaking) of cops who act like scum and abuse the authority they've been given. They make it bad for everyone. Other cops and citizens alike.

I was a cop for almost two decades, and I think what Trump said was dumb. He's the President. When Obama trumpeted the "police are racist" horn on behalf of the DNC it was dumb. It exacerbated an already bad situation. The President should not incite anyone in the populace. Including cops. Those guys that applauded him when he said that should be embarrassed. Even if half the country or more agrees with him, those officers had no business responding positively to what essentially amounts to encouragement to be rough with prisoners. But society sends cops mixed signals on a daily basis, and cops are human. Right now social media is full of hate for law enforcement by a populace that has zero clues about what it actually takes to do the job. Nobody gives a flying **** when 99 out of 100 cops risk their lives doing the job right, but when that 1 dirtbag gets caught on video holy **** hold on to your beer, by god we gotta take to the internet to vomit all kinds of garbage about all the bad cops! But I digress.

As was said earlier, not everyone who gets arrested is guilty. If it were you kid getting his head smacked intentionally when he is already cuffed up you would lose your mind. But I know from years of experience there are a lot of victims out there that wish the cops would beat the snot out of the bad guy who victimized them. It's often called "tuning a guy up." If your daughters abusive husband broke her nose and the cops arrested him there's a very strong possibility that you would not lose a moments sleep over them kicking his ass. If you deny that your lying to yourself and everyone else. I'm not saying tuning a guy up is right or legal, because it's not. But more citizens in the country are okay with a little street justice now and then that aren't, despite what Youtube, the DNC, and all social media armchair quarterbacks with their online law degrees tell you.

So yeah, there are many edges to this. Trump is a horrible President for many reasons, and this, in my opinion, is just one more embarrassing moment in his Presidency. Trump is a demagogue, the reason he says the crazy **** he says is because it resonates with his base and he needs them right now considering his ridiculously poor numbers.
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Good post.. but to add one of the edges that now exist is that police will not and dare not police their own. I bet on almost all of these excessive use of force issues.. the other officers just KNEW that that particular officer was going to cause a problem.. in fact.. studies show that a minority of cops have a multiplicity of excessive force complaints..
BUT NOTHING GETS DONE ABOUT THEM.

And that culture has got to change.. so yes.. the "good" police bear some responsibility in this to change that culture.
 
jaeger19 said:
Good post.. but to add one of the edges that now exist is that police will not and dare not police their own. I bet on almost all of these excessive use of force issues.. the other officers just KNEW that that particular officer was going to cause a problem.. in fact.. studies show that a minority of cops have a multiplicity of excessive force complaints..
BUT NOTHING GETS DONE ABOUT THEM.

And that culture has got to change.. so yes.. the "good" police bear some responsibility in this to change that culture.
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Thanks, I appreciate you sharing your point of view. I will have to disagree with you somewhat, though. Some of the reasons there is this perception that nothing is ever done about it is A) the MSM and social media often create a narrative that convinces people the cops were being excessive or unnecessarily brutal, and B) when the investigations are completed and the officer is cleared -or- the officer is tried and acquitted people become outraged and cry "thin blue line". The reality is that in almost every case that gets blown out into the public eye people react in an emotionally conditioned way if they don't personally agree with the way an officer acted. I was in charge of internal affairs for a number of years and I can state with complete honesty I never once based my investigation on whether or not a cop should be protected because he was on the same team as me. And in my experience the majority of agencies conduct themselves the same way. Sure there are issues of corruption, but we should apply them to all cops and all cases. Most people do not understand what it is like to be a cop and having to make a split second decision to use force. It's like me, Monday morning quarterbacking an NFL player. Sure I saw the game, and after the action is stopped if I'm unhappy I will criticize the coach or the player and say "I would have done this way!" Reality is I have no idea what I would have done at that moment because I wasn't there, I didn't have all of the external forces working against me. Same with most police use of force cases, especially deadly force.

Are there bad apples? Yes, there absolutely are. Are all internal investigations run objectively and above board? No, they are not. But these are the exceptions. The problem is that Facebook, Youtube, and WorldStar have most people convinced the cop is dirty before the entire story is out there, and they only seem to focus on the bad stuff. If it bleeds it leads kind of thing. So the perception is that there is a national problem with police using force and not being held accountable. And that is simply not the case.
 
jaeger19 said:
Good post.. but to add one of the edges that now exist is that police will not and dare not police their own. I bet on almost all of these excessive use of force issues.. the other officers just KNEW that that particular officer was going to cause a problem.. in fact.. studies show that a minority of cops have a multiplicity of excessive force complaints..
BUT NOTHING GETS DONE ABOUT THEM.

And that culture has got to change.. so yes.. the "good" police bear some responsibility in this to change that culture.
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It's a pity our cops are way less educated than euros.
A family business.
Like the military "if you are not smart enough to get a real job, join, great socialist benefits"
 
Bodhisattva said:
Did you actually bother to listen to what he said? I don't think that you did.
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It's hard listening to the short fingered vulgarian with his all white high school crowds
 
YorkshirePete said:
Many truths in jests
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I bet the majority of people wouldn't mind if some murderer bumped his head on the car as he got in the back seat... that doesn't mean we want cops to abuse suspects.

It's hard listening to the short fingered vulgarian with his all white high school crowds
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I feel that if people are not listening then they should not be commenting...
 
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