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Why should we continue to deny Violent Crime when so many of our brothers dying [W:58

Really? I must not be reading precisely enough, because it sounds to me like that is exactly what you are trying to do.

:lol: Well you you cut-n-past only what you want to see ... it obvious
 
He was saying police address a symptom not the source. Like an aspirin relieves pain but does not address the underlying problem. It's not a slight against police, it's a fact. It's not the police job to address the source of problems, it's their job to address a symptom.

My father was a policeman for a long time, it wasn't his job to solve anything that happen before he arrived.

He had to deal with the here and now, not what caused it.

Chicago has a lot of Cops and Zero Gun Factories ... yet there's a lot of firepower in Chicago.
 
Why should we continue to deny the prevalence of Violent Crime when so many of our brothers and sisters in places like Chicago, Atlanta, Memphis, Seattle, Cleveland, Detroit, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, St. Louis, Philly, Baltimore, Jersey City, Jackson, Jacksonville, Miami, Birmingham, Montgomery, Kansas City, Houston, Dallas, Portland and Shreveport are dying?

FACT: There is an Urban War that is currently being waged in America, that must be halted, if we are to survive the 21st Century!

"All Lives Matter To Me"

fatuous1

Talking about urban crime is racist. You wouldn't want to be racist, would you?
 
Violent crime rates are down. Stop cringing in fear.

And all that it took was the massive incarceration of blacks and making huge swaths of our cities essentially no-go zones at night. What a wonderful society we have!
 
We can start by saying that crime rates have dropped nearly in half since 1991. Including in most big cities.

We can continue by saying you're misrepresenting the reality.

Some of those cities do have relatively high crime rates. Many do not.

Chicago, Seattle, Philadelphia, Jersey City, Miami, Jacksonville have moderate or low crime rates.

KC, Detroit, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, St Louis, Baltimore have high crime rates. However, in most of those cities, most of the crime is in specific neighborhoods, with the possible exception of some low-grade property crimes.

Granted, high homicide rates anywhere is unfortunate, and we should find ways to fix it. At the same time, a failure to recognize the progress made over the past 25 years doesn't help the situation.



That is... utter nonsense.

We have some problems, to be sure. But in many respects, crime rates are nearing historic lows.

There's got to be some kind of a trend here, but I just can't figure out what it is!

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*sigh*

Chicago's homicide rate in 2016 was 27.9 per 100,000 residents.

St Louis' homicide rate was nearly double that, at 59.3.

While Chicago has its issues, homicides been falling in Chicago for years, and the average from 2011 to 2016 was 18 per 100k. Conservatives turned it into a punching bag primarily because Rahm Emanuel became the mayor.

Chicago was 32% black in 2000.
St. Louis was 51% black in 2000.

There's your answer.
 
And all that it took was the massive incarceration of blacks and making huge swaths of our cities essentially no-go zones at night. What a wonderful society we have!

Correlation does not imply causation, but thanks for reminding everyone of your rabid hatred of blacks, among other things.
 
Talking about urban crime is racist. You wouldn't want to be racist, would you?

Well, he did play the race card with his proclamation of war.
 
He was saying police address a symptom not the source. Like an aspirin relieves pain but does not address the underlying problem. It's not a slight against police, it's a fact. It's not the police job to address the source of problems, it's their job to address a symptom.

I know very well what he was saying. I deny that is a fact. Criminal behavior per se is the problem. I am not concerned--and I doubt most people are--with what antisocial thoughts may be running through the disordered mind of this or that person. I am only concerned with dissuading him from putting those thoughts into action or seeing him punished if he does, and good enforcement of criminal laws helps accomplish that.
 
There's got to be some kind of a trend here, but I just can't figure out what it is!

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Looks like there are quite a few counties in Mississippi where very few people report crimes. Whether that means few crimes are being committed there is another question.
 
Why should we continue to deny the prevalence of Violent Crime when so many of our brothers and sisters in places like Chicago, Atlanta, Memphis, Seattle, Cleveland, Detroit, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, St. Louis, Philly, Baltimore, Jersey City, Jackson, Jacksonville, Miami, Birmingham, Montgomery, Kansas City, Houston, Dallas, Portland and Shreveport are dying?

FACT: There is an Urban War that is currently being waged in America, that must be halted, if we are to survive the 21st Century!

"All Lives Matter To Me"

fatuous1

What the hell are you talking about--"we continue to deny Violent Crime"?
 
Correlation does not imply causation, but thanks for reminding everyone of your rabid hatred of blacks, among other things.

So what's your theory about why crime rates have fallen?
 
The Mainstream Media seems to be too focused on President Trump, National News and World Events, and not focused enough on the Violence raging all-across America! The Violent Crime that effects our everyday lives, and the lives of our children. Like where we shop, where we go to work, which gas stations we feel are safe enough for U.S. to purchase gas, or a snack, which public schools we send our offspring to, and which parks and community playgrounds are safe enough for U.S. to visit with our families!

Yes, both National and International News are very important, but millions of U.S. would be just as interested in News Stories that effect our everyday lives. Furthermore, People in New Orleans are very interested about what's going on in Baton Rouge, Shreveport, Atlanta, Chicago, Los Angeles and Detroit.

fatuous1

Being focused on issue other than violent crime is not the same as denying violent crime by the msm.

Sorry, but there is only so much air time and only so much space on a printed page.
 
Being focused on issue other than violent crime is not the same as denying violent crime by the msm.

Sorry, but there is only so much air time and only so much space on a printed page.

CNN and MSNBC only seem to have one agenda, and that is to oust President Trump, knowing full-well that President Trump ain't never gonna be Impeached!

CNN, MSNBC and Fox News should simply report the news, and stop sharing their views! If they did their Ratings and Viewership's would rise exponentially!

So many news stories go unreported, and/or, under-reported, because the MSN seems to focus all their emphasis on specific stories (Donald Trump and Russia or exposing each others Network Scandals) that support their specific agenda!

... enough of that Hogwash, "GIVE U.S. DA NEWS"!

fatuous1
 
Could you be more specific about the crimes affecting our everyday lives?

And isn't reporting local and regional news the job of local and regional news sources? My local news sources do an excellent job of keeping the community and region up-to-date on what matters to us as well as linking to Reuters and AP national/world news items. A shooting or armed robbery remains big news here, and it IS reported.

Which is where it is supposed to be reported. Even in a small tiny country like myself not all violent crime is reported on the National News level, that is for unusual crime stories and for national and global issues, not for every non fatal shooting in my country. That is what local news is for because you are right, that is where those news outlets are for. Keeping you informed about things that happen where you live, who cares about a drive by in LA when you live in Fairbanks Alaska or in Saint Paul Minnesota or even New York city? Virtually nobody IMHO cares about LA shootings in NY, Fairbanks or Saint Paul, they do however care about those kinds of things when they happen in their neck of the woods.
 
CNN and MSNBC only seem to have one agenda, and that is to oust President Trump, knowing full-well that President Trump ain't never gonna be Impeached!

CNN, MSNBC and Fox News should simply report the news, and stop sharing their views! If they did their Ratings and Viewership's would rise exponentially!

So many news stories go unreported, and/or, under-reported, because the MSN seems to focus all their emphasis on specific stories (Donald Trump and Russia or exposing each others Network Scandals) that support their specific agenda!

... enough of that Hogwash, "GIVE U.S. DA NEWS"!

fatuous1

You have not shown or proved , that people are denying "the prevalence of Violent Crime " your opening statement from your OP.

enough, Hogwash on your part.:mrgreen:
 
I know very well what he was saying. I deny that is a fact. Criminal behavior per se is the problem. I am not concerned--and I doubt most people are--with what antisocial thoughts may be running through the disordered mind of this or that person. I am only concerned with dissuading him from putting those thoughts into action or seeing him punished if he does, and good enforcement of criminal laws helps accomplish that.

Way to see the big picture.

:rolleyes
 
Urban War Zones are now a reality inside many American cities like Chicago, Atlanta, Detroit, Memphis, Kansas City, Tampa, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Seattle, Portland, Oakland, Monroe, Shreveport, Lake Charles, Jackson, Jacksonville, Miami, Birmingham, Philly, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Charleston, Charlotte, St. Louis, and Washington D.C.!

It’s no longer necessary to go to Iraq, Afghanistan or Africa to enter a real war zone and have to fight for your life.

Thanks to massive CIA drug trafficking and American Free-trade Treaties like NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT & WTO, many American inner cities have been transformed into actual war zones.

These inner city war zones are infested with drug gangs that outnumber police and out gun them too.

Link: Urban War Zones In America | RevolutionRadio.org
 
It isn't the job of the society to raise your children. That is the problem, people are overreliant on someone else to take care of their kids.

Look at something like the issue of single-parenthood in the impoverished black community, typically men run off and forgo the responsibility of a child leaving an overworked single mother to try and care for their kids. Of course the mother isn't blameless, but the core issue is that people don't take responsibility anymore. They rely on schools, welfare, food stamps, day-cares and all other manner of pubicly-funded programs to teach their kids lessons that can only be taught at home.

That is quite true. But society is responsible for the set of rules within which individuals optimise their behaviour to achieve their goals. This is in fact, what we have done in such a way as to produce a large number of single mothers whose men have run off, as yoy say.
 
Way to see the big picture.

:rolleyes

That may be your notion of an argument, but in fact it is no argument at all. I could just as easily say that you fail to see "the big picture"--whatever that is--and it would mean just as little.
 
That may be your notion of an argument, but in fact it is no argument at all. I could just as easily say that you fail to see "the big picture"--whatever that is--and it would mean just as little.

Your position is so myopic its laughable.
 
That is quite true. But society is responsible for the set of rules within which individuals optimise their behaviour to achieve their goals. This is in fact, what we have done in such a way as to produce a large number of single mothers whose men have run off, as yoy say.

I don't know what that fancy language means. "We" have done no such thing. I am not aware of any rule, let alone a set of rules, anywhere in this country, which requires any black female to produce offspring. If there is any such rule, I for one took no part in making it. Black females normally bear children because, just like females of other races, they have chosen to engage in unprotected sex and then carry the fetus to term.

Black Americans make their own decisions. They are no more pawns being moved around at someone else's will than are Americans of other races. I would think many of them would take the suggestion that they are unable to run their own lives as condescending and offernsive.
 
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Your position is so myopic its laughable.

I am happy to see you try to dismiss my arguments as laughable. It tells me two things: First, that you can't refute them; and second, that they must be right on the mark.
 
I am happy to see you try to dismiss my arguments as laughable. It tells me two things: First, that you can't refute them; and second, that they must be right on the mark.

There's no need to refute you. Your position is stupid on its face. A child could understand police deal symptoms and not the source of problems.
 
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