Brutal Assault of Mother & Daughter was Over Chicken and French Fries

truthatallcost · Jul 4, 2017

Serenity said:
I'm a critical care paramedic, so no, I don't deal with any of that.

I can't afford to show bias in my line of work, (I don't anyway), it might cost someone their life. Every incident I attend, assistance is administered purely on a needs alone basis. Who needs it the most gets its first. It's never based on personal political, economic, religious or social beliefs. I don't get to make moral or biased judgements when treating and administering assistance to patients. Just as it should be.

You aren't the target of people's violence and abuse though. No one throws rocks at your ambulance or yells cuss words at you for being a paramedic, do they? By the way, I have seen first hand what EMT's do, and I have the utmost respect for them.

Peter King · Jul 4, 2017

truthatallcost said:
I wonder if stories like this are why some police officers might stereotype people they happen to investigate in their line of work? The savage nature of the attack could sway some officers into developing a negative impression of people. Especially when police witness violence on a daily basis.

I don't think anyone could remain unbiased under those circumstances.

The violent couple from the story have not been caught. If they approach you, you are advised to give them all your chicken and French fries as they are considered armed and dangerous.

So you make a racially charged argument here about stereotyping black people based on this one issue? That is bull ****, pure and simple.

Whites are actually almost twice as often arrested for aggravated assault as black people (223 thousands compared to 117 thousand).

And savage nature is not down to race, most serial killers (the most depraved bunch of all criminals) nor is it about his weight (I see you deftly added Obese to the story where there was no such reference made in the story). I am morbidly obese and I would never do such a thing.

So no, bias cannot be used as an excuse to kill, maim or attack black people based on a "feeling" that blacks are more violent and thus deserve what they get.

And also suddenly they are considered armed? Based on what? Them beating up 2 people without the use of guns may make them dangerous but even the police there (from what I have been reading) has not named them armed.

Racial profiling is wrong, racial bias is even more wrong and cops acting violent because of color is reprehensible.

Serenity · Jul 4, 2017

truthatallcost said:
You aren't the target of people's violence and abuse though. No one throws rocks at your ambulance or yells cuss words at you for being a paramedic, do they? By the way, I have seen first hand what EMT's do, and I have the utmost respect for them.

We are increasingly becoming a target. I've seen an increase in alcohol and drug related violence towards paramedics over the last few years. Here, we are more and more frequently coming into contact with violent ice addicts. It's at critical stages, the worst I have ever experienced. There's not enough funding for rehab programs, these kids are for the most part on their own. Their drug induced psychosis, violence, and erratic behaviour pose significant risks to the public and to those like me just trying to do our jobs. Weekend night shifts especially can be brutal.

Paramedics under-reporting incidents of violence
There was a 69 per cent increase over a five-year period in the number of reported physical and verbal attacks and threats, and the use of weapons, the figures revealed.
Paramedics threatened with knives, held hostage; figures show attacks increasing - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

NSW paramedic tells of fear for life due to drastic rise in work-related assaults

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truthatallcost · Jul 4, 2017

Peter King said:
So you make a racially charged argument here about stereotyping black people based on this one issue? That is bull ****, pure and simple.

Whites are actually almost twice as often arrested for aggravated assault as black people (223 thousands compared to 117 thousand).

51% of homicide suspects were black in 2015. Thoughts?

And savage nature is not down to race, most serial killers (the most depraved bunch of all criminals)

That's an outdated stereotype.

nor is it about his weight (I see you deftly added Obese to the story where there was no such reference made in the story). I am morbidly obese and I would never do such a thing.

Sorry man, the guy is obese judging from his picture. I'm not obese, but I know some people struggle with it. Obviously I'm not saying all obese people or all black people commit excessive violence.

So no, bias cannot be used as an excuse to kill, maim or attack black people based on a "feeling" that blacks are more violent and thus deserve what they get.

I never said it could. You're reading way too much into what I said.

And also suddenly they are considered armed? Based on what? Them beating up 2 people without the use of guns may make them dangerous but even the police there (from what I have been reading) has not named them armed.

Racial profiling is wrong, racial bias is even more wrong and cops acting violent because of color is reprehensible.

I never endorsed violence or racial profiling! Jesus Peter, you're completely misrepresenting what I said.

truthatallcost · Jul 4, 2017

Serenity said:
We are increasingly becoming a target. I've seen an increase in alcohol and drug related violence towards paramedics over the last few years. Here, we are more and more frequently coming into contact with violent ice addicts. It's at critical stages, the worst I have ever experienced. There's not enough funding for rehab programs, these kids are for the most part on their own. Their drug induced psychosis, violence, and erratic behaviour pose significant risks to the public and to those like me just trying to do our jobs. Weekend night shifts especially can be brutal.

I've heard of inebriated violence against medical staff, but never incidents where they were attacked for the uniform they wore. In the USA, well over a dozen police officers have been murdered in the past few simply because they were police. They were ambushed and assassinated, mostly by black suspects.

Ice is a scary drug, or crystal meth as it's called here. Do you see many cases of psychosis brought on by synthetic over the counter drugs? That was a real problem here for the past 5 years or so. The drugs are made to look like speed or marijuana, come in little pouches that liquor stores sell, mostly covertly.

Peter King · Jul 4, 2017

truthatallcost said:
51% of homicide suspects were black in 2015. Thoughts?

That's an outdated stereotype.

Sorry man, the guy is obese judging from his picture. I'm not obese, but I know some people struggle with it. Obviously I'm not saying all obese people or all black people commit excessive violence.

I never said it could. You're reading way too much into what I said.

I never endorsed violence or racial profiling! Jesus Peter, you're completely misrepresenting what I said.

The story did not say the man was obese slob, that was inserted in the story and totally not relevant to this story. And a bit insulting for obese people (like my).

And you may not have intended it, but it is easily inferred from the story you used as an example. Which just happened to be a black couple and it is well known the issues the police has with African Americans and minorities and the violence towards them (such as racial profiling).

Why not use the story:

Man suspected of killing teen because he ‘didn’t want her to merge into traffic’ surrenders to police

Or this one

Man charged in violent anti-gay attack on subway | New York Post

Or this guy

Owensboro man left in pool of blood after violent attack dies - Tri-State News, Weather & Sports

Loads of terrible attacks happen for no good reason whatsoever, we do not know for example why the fight erupted in this case. The restaurant woman might have said (don't believe that she did) "get the F out you n-word bitch" (for example). Not that this justifies violence but we do not know what exactly preceded the violence where as loads of other far worse attack we know happened for no effing reason whatsoever.

And you are right, police often sees bad people doing bad things but if they cannot look at people without bias towards them (not saying they should not be wary) then maybe they are in the wrong profession.

chuckiechan · Jul 4, 2017

Peter King said:
The story did not say the man was obese slob, that was inserted in the story and totally not relevant to this story. And a bit insulting for obese people (like my).

And you may not have intended it, but it is easily inferred from the story you used as an example. Which just happened to be a black couple and it is well known the issues the police has with African Americans and minorities and the violence towards them (such as racial profiling).

Why not use the story:

Man suspected of killing teen because he ‘didn’t want her to merge into traffic’ surrenders to police

Or this one

Man charged in violent anti-gay attack on subway | New York Post

Or this guy

Owensboro man left in pool of blood after violent attack dies - Tri-State News, Weather & Sports

Loads of terrible attacks happen for no good reason whatsoever, we do not know for example why the fight erupted in this case. The restaurant woman might have said (don't believe that she did) "get the F out you n-word bitch" (for example). Not that this justifies violence but we do not know what exactly preceded the violence where as loads of other far worse attack we know happened for no effing reason whatsoever.

And you are right, police often sees bad people doing bad things but if they cannot look at people without bias towards them (not saying they should not be wary) then maybe they are in the wrong profession.

As we say here in America, "You are stating facts not in evidence". The perp did a felony assault on a shopkeeper, and is companion joined in. There is no need for "why", "Impulse control", "triggers", and all that psycho BS. That is just psychiatrists' way of trying to excuse bad behavior.

Have they arrested this jack ass yet?

And for you racists trying to blame racism, here are some "live" statistics for you:

2017 Stats | Chicago Murder, Crime & Mayhem | HeyJackass!

Do look at "killed or shot by police".

Peter King · Jul 4, 2017

chuckiechan said:
As we say here in America, "You are stating facts not in evidence". The perp did a felony assault on a shopkeeper, and is companion joined in. There is no need for "why", "Impulse control", "triggers", and all that psycho BS. That is just psychiatrists' way of trying to excuse bad behavior.

Have they arrested this jack ass yet?

And for you racists trying to blame racism, here are some "live" statistics for you:

2017 Stats | Chicago Murder, Crime & Mayhem | HeyJackass!

Do look at "killed or shot by police".

No, but in the US it is easy to hide from the police for a while, but they will get their comeuppance sooner rather than later.

_Sal · Jul 4, 2017

truthatallcost said:
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it could sway some officers into developing a negative impression of people, yes

what should be done with those who do?

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truthatallcost said:

Maybe counseling, or a transfer to another dept. Tough call. Depends on whether it effects their abilities to do their job effectively.

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agreed but no "depends" because it most definitely would affect their ability to do the job effectively as well as endangering themselves and the public

That's hilarious really.

I find no humour here...you think no officer can be unbiased and professional according to your OP...most can't handle the job according to you

I agree that many with a limited education, and a limited understanding of psychology and poor leadership from their boss, (due to poor training and poor hiring) may in fact have an inability to do the job in a professional manner but ...many if not most do their job in a professional manner, and do it well.

Therefore to dump them all into a "these poor people can't do their job well because they are too mentally and emotionally inadequate to handle the stress" is unconscionable and unfair in the extreme.

cuban smokes · Jul 4, 2017

truthatallcost said:
I wonder if stories like this are why some police officers might stereotype people they happen to investigate in their line of work? The savage nature of the attack could sway some officers into developing a negative impression of people. Especially when police witness violence on a daily basis.

I don't think anyone could remain unbiased under those circumstances.

The violent couple from the story have not been caught. If they approach you, you are advised to give them all your chicken and French fries as they are considered armed and dangerous.

hopefully these two will get caught, prosecuted, and spend time behind bars

their 'jail' food prolly won't be worth fighting over ..........

truthatallcost · Jul 4, 2017

Peter King said:
No, but in the US it is easy to hide from the police for a while, but they will get their comeuppance sooner rather than later.

They won't do much time in jail. Anyone who thinks this couple is going to be 'behind bars' for a lengthy amount of time doesn't know the US penal system circa 2017.

Peter King · Jul 4, 2017

truthatallcost said:
They won't do much time in jail. Anyone who thinks this couple is going to be 'behind bars' for a lengthy amount of time doesn't know the US penal system circa 2017.

sadly the nonsense of plea deals gives some people way too little time behind jail while mandatory minimum sentences send a lot of people to jail for way too long of a time.

truthatallcost · Jul 4, 2017

Peter King said:
sadly the nonsense of plea deals gives some people way too little time behind jail while mandatory minimum sentences send a lot of people to jail for way too long of a time.

One of the most absurd cases I witnessed was where a guy set up a robbery and double homicide, was caught with ample evidence, and was allowed to plead down to second degree robbery. The guy was black, so he obviously wasn't unfairly treated in any way. He actually got away with a 2x homicide that will never be cleared now.

truthatallcost · Jul 4, 2017

_Sal said:
agreed but no "depends" because it most definitely would affect their ability to do the job effectively as well as endangering themselves and the public

I disagree. Look, we all have our personal biases in real life. Anyone who claims otherwise is lying IMO. It is however possible to do your job professionally, in spite of personal bias. I know black cops that personally think the system sucks yet they show up to work for the dept everyday. Each person chooses whether or not they're going to do their job professionally, or according to their own agenda. Most police officers fall in to the former category.

I find no humour here...you think no officer can be unbiased and professional according to your OP...most can't handle the job according to you

Nope. I believe it's possible to have non PC opinions and still perform professionally. Doing the job of policing will inevitably lead to some very un-PC opinions. There are tons of cops who fall into this category. The media love to sit on their ass in their comfy offices, and judge the work of police officers. I'd love to see them try and do the job that police officers do.

I agree that many with a limited education, and a limited understanding of psychology and poor leadership from their boss, (due to poor training and poor hiring) may in fact have an inability to do the job in a professional manner but ...many if not most do their job in a professional manner, and do it well.

Therefore to dump them all into a "these poor people can't do their job well because they are too mentally and emotionally inadequate to handle the stress" is unconscionable and unfair in the extreme.

They do their jobs exceptionally well, in spite of seeing the realities of crime in America. Again, you're misinterpreting what I've said, and drawing your own conclusions.

My point was that police officers see the reality of who commits violent crime most often, and that fact will inform any individual's psyche. I never suggested th that police officers don't do their jobs adequately because of this. That's your contribution, not mine.

katzgar · Jul 4, 2017

truthatallcost said:
I wonder if stories like this are why some police officers might stereotype people they happen to investigate in their line of work? The savage nature of the attack could sway some officers into developing a negative impression of people. Especially when police witness violence on a daily basis.

I don't think anyone could remain unbiased under those circumstances.

The violent couple from the story have not been caught. If they approach you, you are advised to give them all your chicken and French fries as they are considered armed and dangerous.

Sure people can remain unbiased adults do it all the time

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