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Verdict in police shooting of Castile: The fear defense should have us all afraid

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Verdict in police shooting of Philando Castile: The fear defense should have us all afraid

Verdict in police shooting of Philando Castile: The fear defense should have us all afraid - StarTribune.com


If our politics has taught us anything this year, it is that emotions trump facts every time. People hold fast to their perceptions, whether real or fake, even when presented with evidence to the contrary. So it was again Friday, when the emotion of fear won out against the facts that officer Jeronimo Yanez shot and killed Philando Castile for no good reason during a routine traffic stop.

On its face, “I was afraid for my life” is a perfectly good reason. Policing can be pretty scary. But upon reviewing the dashcam video, Yanez’s fear defense feels like a coverup. We see Yanez practicing his alibi almost immediately: “I told him not to reach for it!” We can equally imagine him later reciting “I was afraid for my life” 20 times in front of a mirror.

Criminologists call this a technique of neutralization, denial of responsibility and denial of the victim. And that’s how the “I was afraid for my life” defense works. We are to always empathize with the police officer, never the deceased.
 
He Respectfully called The Officer Sr; and Politely informed The Officer that he had a Conceal and Carry Permit and that he had a Weapon. That's a common practice with Cop Killers, who driving with their significant in the passenger seat and 4 year old child in the back.

I can see why the Cop was pissing in his panties. :roll:
 
cuban smokes said:
Verdict in police shooting of Philando Castile: The fear defense should have us all afraid

Verdict in police shooting of Philando Castile: The fear defense should have us all afraid - StarTribune.com


If our politics has taught us anything this year, it is that emotions trump facts every time. People hold fast to their perceptions, whether real or fake, even when presented with evidence to the contrary. So it was again Friday, when the emotion of fear won out against the facts that officer Jeronimo Yanez shot and killed Philando Castile for no good reason during a routine traffic stop.

On its face, “I was afraid for my life” is a perfectly good reason. Policing can be pretty scary. But upon reviewing the dashcam video, Yanez’s fear defense feels like a coverup. We see Yanez practicing his alibi almost immediately: “I told him not to reach for it!” We can equally imagine him later reciting “I was afraid for my life” 20 times in front of a mirror.

Criminologists call this a technique of neutralization, denial of responsibility and denial of the victim. And that’s how the “I was afraid for my life” defense works. We are to always empathize with the police officer, never the deceased.
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The author of the article is an idiot.

The circumstances in the incident is a legitimate reason for an Officer to be in fear.
 
Telling a police officer you have a gun then rummaging in a place he can't see is a stupid thing to do. We are never going to live in a world where people can put their hands anywhere near a gun and police will just assume you won't shoot them in the face based on your say-so in hindsight. It's not reasonable.
 
Napoleon said:
Telling a police officer you have a gun then rummaging in a place he can't see is a stupid thing to do. We are never going to live in a world where people can put their hands anywhere near a gun and police will just assume you won't shoot them in the face based on your say-so in hindsight. It's not reasonable.
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Here in Illinois ... you don't have to tell the Police Officer Jack-****!

First of all, the man had a F'ing Tail Light out ... here in Illinois the Officer would have known that before you got out of the car. So if the officer thought a driver with a busted taillight was a dangerous threat, he wouldn't have walked up in the car in the first place. He would have asked the Driver to exit the vehicle and place his hand where he could see him.

Bottom line, this Cop was a F'ing Idiot and I'm glad the department removed this cancer from the force, because he was too stupid to serve and a Law Enforcement Officer if he can't handle a broken taillight.
 
Excon said:
The author of the article is an idiot.

The circumstances in the incident is a legitimate reason for an Officer to be in fear.
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the same could be said for you but I won't ......................
 
Excon said:
The author of the article is an idiot.

The circumstances in the incident is a legitimate reason for an Officer to be in fear.
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Black guys are scary.
 
Excon said:
The author of the article is an idiot.

The circumstances in the incident is a legitimate reason for an Officer to be in fear.
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Have you seen the dashcam video?
 
Cigar said:
Here in Illinois ... you don't have to tell the Police Officer Jack-****!

First of all, the man had a F'ing Tail Light out ... here in Illinois the Officer would have known that before you got out of the car. So if the officer thought a driver with a busted taillight was a dangerous threat, he wouldn't have walked up in the car in the first place. He would have asked the Driver to exit the vehicle and place his hand where he could see him.

Bottom line, this Cop was a F'ing Idiot and I'm glad the department removed this cancer from the force, because he was too stupid to serve and a Law Enforcement Officer if he can't handle a broken taillight.
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You don't have to inform LEO of your weapon in Va. either, but it's stupid not to. Most times the officer is aware of the CC permit and the arrest record and the expired plate before getting out of the car,.
 
Napoleon said:
Telling a police officer you have a gun then rummaging in a place he can't see is a stupid thing to do. We are never going to live in a world where people can put their hands anywhere near a gun and police will just assume you won't shoot them in the face based on your say-so in hindsight. It's not reasonable.
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there are opinions by LE professionals that are on both sides of the issue.
many state that Yanez acted reasonably.
others state that Yanez acted unreasonably in the context of the situation.

Within the context of the situation Yanez was dealing with a very compliant person (Castile) that offered NO resistance, no disrespect, addressed Yanez as, "sir," even going as far as informing Yanez the he (Castile) was in possession of a firearm, which Castile was NOT legally obligated to do.

In the context of the scenario of the particular stop it was determined by the Ramsey County Attorney that Yanez did indeed act unreasonably.

Yanez did NOT take into account the many benefits of the doubt that were offered to him by Castile within the context of that particular interaction.
Yanez threw ALL OF THAT out the window & allowed himself to be over come by fear, fear based on irrational emotion, emotion that was not based on the particular interaction that was taking place at that time.
That is Yanez's bad; not Castiles's bad.

Yanez can go rot in Hell for all I care .....................
 
:roll: you just can't make people see some people as Human Beings ... now if this was Sweet Polly Purebread, he'd see a Human Being.

But in the eye of "some" people, Blacks aren't Human, and certainly not worthy of respect or even driving with a taillight out.
 
Excon said:
The author of the article is an idiot.

The circumstances in the incident is a legitimate reason for an Officer to be in fear.
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yeah, anytime a cop sees a black they crap their pants.
 
Excon said:
Of course I have. It was a justified shooting.
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I have an uncle who's a Captain in the BRPD. He disagrees with you. The guy pissed his pants rather than asking the guy to put his hands on the wheel as he should have.
 
cuban smokes said:
Within the context of the situation Yanez was dealing with a very compliant person (Castile) that offered NO resistance, no disrespect, addressed Yanez as, "sir," even going as far as informing Yanez the he (Castile) was in possession of a firearm, which Castile was NOT legally obligated to do.
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Irrelevant to the actual context of what occurred.

That context is that Castile did not follow the Officer's orders in regards to a lethal weapon.
His previous courtesy and politeness has not a damn thing to do with his failure to comply which followed.


cuban smokes said:
In the context of the scenario of the particular stop it was determined by the Ramsey County Attorney that Yanez did indeed act unreasonably.
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iLOL Doh! No. The DA does not determine any such thing. They can be of such a belief and file charges but the determination is left up to the Jury, and in this case the correctly acquitted the Officer.
 
jimbo said:
You don't have to inform LEO of your weapon in Va. either, but it's stupid not to. Most times the officer is aware of the CC permit and the arrest record and the expired plate before getting out of the car,.
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I know plenty of LEO's in Illinois and if they are concerned, they will ask. If you're a CCW Card Holder and all you did was drive with a busted taillight, they are not worried about you having a Gun, because they know the training you had to go through in order to receive that CCW license. In my training I was told by an active Police Officer, don't even bring up the subject of GUN, unless you're asked ... PERIOD. They Professionals, they are in charge of asking the questions. Just answer the questions and you'll be on your way.
 
roughdraft274 said:
I have an uncle who's a Captain in the BRPD. He disagrees with you. The guy pissed his pants rather than asking the guy to put his hands on the wheel as he should have.
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Irrelevant nonsensical reply.

But if that Captain wants to actually debate the Jury's verdict, by all means, he is more than welcome to join and debate the subject.
 
katzgar said:
yeah, anytime a cop sees a black they crap their pants.
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No they don't.
Even this incident proves you wrong.


katzgar said:
you are trying to justify murder. It is ok though he was black.
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Wrong as usual and you really should stop making things about race.
 
Cigar said:
:roll: you just can't make people see some people as Human Beings ... now if this was Sweet Polly Purebread, he'd see a Human Being.

But in the eye of "some" people, Blacks aren't Human, and certainly not worthy of respect or even driving with a taillight out.
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What a stupid and irrational argument.
 
roughdraft274 said:
I have an uncle who's a Captain in the BRPD. He disagrees with you. The guy pissed his pants rather than asking the guy to put his hands on the wheel as he should have.
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The guy was in the passenger seat.
 
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