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Verdict in police shooting of Castile: The fear defense should have us all afraid

katzgar said:
when all you have is sarcasm you got diddly as usual.
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No, you got diddly, as shown.


katzgar said:
Excon said:
Wrong as usual.
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classic useless sarcasm
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That was not sarcasm.
That is him being told he is wrong as usual as all that crap has already been addressed.
He was even asked to provide their policy to show the Officer violated it and he couldn't do it, but instead deflected.


So maybe you should stick to the replies made to you, especially when you do not have the first clue as to what you are speaking about.
 
Chaddelamancha said:
Sure. However, if you are reaching into your back pocket on the side away from the officer, it can very easily be interpreted as reaching towards the gun in your front pocket. The distance between the two isn't that great.
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Wtf?
The Officer saw his hand on the gun. That is not reaching towards your back pocket for a wallet.
 
cuban smokes said:
What; you believe Yanez's decision making skills were 100%? LOL ...................... **** ............

in ANY SITUATION in which LE pulls one over, the LEO is supposed to control the situation, PERIOD.

It was not Castile's responsibility to offer Yanez ideas on how to 'police' the situation; Again, that was Yanez's responsibility alone to do so.

Castile did everything he was asked to do by Yanez, even going as far as attempting to comply with Yanez's request to offer his (Castile) drivers license.

Was that a mistake on Castile's part? No & Yes.
No, because Castile was complying with Yanez's request.
Yes, because complying with Yanez's request cost him (Castile) his life.
This AGAIN goes to the point: Yanez FAILED to control the situation.

ANY TIME anyone is pulled over by LE, it is the responsibility of the LEO to control the situation, period.
In this case Yanez FAILED, and as a result someone was murdered.

To add insult to death, Yanez offered differing accounts concerning Castile's firearm aka Yanez lied, and walked ............

The whole ****ing mess has been a ****ty deal for the Twin Cities; people are furious here.

The one that got the ****tiest end of the deal is Philando.
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No, he didn't comply with every request. He didn't listen to Yanez telling him not to pull it out.
 
Excon said:
Wtf?
The Officer saw his hand on the gun. That is not reaching towards your back pocket for a wallet.
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In his testimony he was sure; however, he wasn't so sure that day.
 
Chaddelamancha said:
Sure. However, if you are reaching into your back pocket on the side away from the officer, it can very easily be interpreted as reaching towards the gun in your front pocket. The distance between the two isn't that great.
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the reason he was reaching for his pocket is the cop asked him for his DL and insurance. another cheery pick the facts post to make the colored guy look bad.
 
katzgar said:
the reason he was reaching for his pocket is the cop asked him for his DL and insurance. another cheery pick the facts post to make the colored guy look bad.
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He also didn't stop reaching when asked.
 
Excon said:
No, he explained what he meant by what he said.
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You have to weigh both statements together. It's real easy to be more certain when you are on trial for murder and your case kind of depends on it.
 
Chaddelamancha said:
If a cop tells me to stop reaching for it, you know what I am going to do? Stop reaching. I don't care what "it" is.
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That's the problem you're making crap up the cop told the guy to get his driver's license and insurance card I already said that you're just trying to ignore reality
 
Chaddelamancha said:
You have to weigh both statements together. It's real easy to be more certain when you are on trial for murder and your case kind of depends on it.
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I have.
He explained what he meant.


Did the jury not do that also?
 
Chaddelamancha said:
If a cop tells me to stop reaching for it, you know what I am going to do? Stop reaching. I don't care what "it" is.
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well, you did not answer my question; you instead offered us the idea of what you would do in a similar situation, which is not what I asked.

it doesn't matter what you would do; you were not there, Yanez didn't kill you, and you are still breathing.

Again, what did Yanez mean by "it?" in your opinion, of course ........
 
katzgar said:
That's the problem you're making crap up the cop told the guy to get his driver's license and insurance card I already said that you're just trying to ignore reality
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Castile didn't start reaching for his license until after telling Yanez he had a gun. That's reality.
 
Chaddelamancha said:
Castile didn't start reaching for his license until after telling Yanez he had a gun. That's reality.
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No that's not reality you're making that up. Your motives are pretty obvious when you pull stuff like that
 
katzgar said:
That's the problem you're making crap up the cop told the guy to get his driver's license and insurance card I already said that you're just trying to ignore reality
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And you are ignoring what actually occurred. Castile grabbed his gun that was in his front pocket while his wallet was in his rear.
 
cuban smokes said:
well, you did not answer my question; you instead offered us the idea of what you would do in a similar situation, which is not what I asked.

it doesn't matter what you would do; you were not there, Yanez didn't kill you, and you are still breathing.

Again, what did Yanez mean by "it?" in your opinion, of course ........
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Clearly he meant Castiles gun.

Now you are going to argue that Castile wasn't pulling his gun out.

Now I am going to say that continuing to reach into his pocket at this point in time is a bad idea.
 
katzgar said:
No that's not reality you're making that up. Your motives are pretty obvious when you pull stuff like that
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I will concede that we can't see the moment he starts reaching for his license.
 
Chaddelamancha said:
Clearly he meant Castiles gun.

Now you are going to argue that Castile wasn't pulling his gun out.

Now I am going to say that continuing to reach into his pocket at this point in time is a bad idea.
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Thank you, we agree on that point.
The exchange was (Castile), "sir, I have to tell you I do have a firearm on me."
Yanez then states, "OK, don't reach for it then."
In the context of that exchange it is obvious that "it" means Castile's firearm; we agree on this point.

Immediately following Yanez's command, "OK, don't reach for it then" Yanez states twice in quick succession, "don't pull it out" and BEFORE Yanez completes the second/repeated statement, "don't pull it out" Yanez is firing his weapon.

Castile had yet to produce his drivers license, and according to Diamond Reynolds, Castile was attempting to obtain his wallet, in order to produce his (Castile) drivers license.
This is the point at which Yanez starts blasting Castile with seven rounds, five striking Castile causing seven different wounds, more than one round causing fatal wounds.

So, as Castile is attempting to obtain his drivers license Yanez is saying, "don't reach for it" meaning Castile's firearm, NOT Castile's drivers license.
Was it wise for Castile to reach for his drivers license as requested by Yanez; obviously NO but none the less Castile was attempting to do EXACTLY as Yanez requested.
 
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Cigar said:
Here in Illinois ... you don't have to tell the Police Officer Jack-****!

First of all, the man had a F'ing Tail Light out ... here in Illinois the Officer would have known that before you got out of the car. So if the officer thought a driver with a busted taillight was a dangerous threat, he wouldn't have walked up in the car in the first place. He would have asked the Driver to exit the vehicle and place his hand where he could see him.

Bottom line, this Cop was a F'ing Idiot and I'm glad the department removed this cancer from the force, because he was too stupid to serve and a Law Enforcement Officer if he can't handle a broken taillight.
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Wait.... Wasn't this a felony stop?
 
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