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POLICE VIDEO of THE DAY!!!!!!!

well, I initiated the thread; it is not a cop "hate" thread but is rather a VIDEO thread

I happen to like videos & I have been watching many more POLICE videos the past few weeks

Citizens can learn by viewing these types of videos; I know I have

I'm scared as Hell of the police now; I learned .............

There's positive videos too but you're not interested in those are you? Still, if you want to live your life in fear, fine by me. Ohhhh, they're coming for you, I'm sure of it.
 
And you're faulting the officer, I presume.

I dont view it that way. First, im wag'ing that the driver was drunk. Secondly, everyone knows you don't hop out of the car when you get pulled over. And certainly not bounding out with something in your hand. In the dark. Third, he made some very unclear and possibly threatening moves... probably by accident because he's an idiot. But I'm guessing that officer wanted to get home alive at the end of his shift.

A damn shame.

Yes, a shame on all fronts. The victim was needlessly shot, yes, and the officer will no doubt undergo hours and hours of interrogation, investigation, and could possibly lose his job and/or be sued/prosecuted for wrongful death. But viewing the video, I couldn't see what the victim was holding in both hands and appeared to be pointing at the cop--are the police supposed to allow the suspect to shoot before shooting?

Some room for honest error in this one maybe?
 
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Why? If you're not an idiot, they're your best friends.

The kind of best friend that you want to avoid being around because he might shoot you or assault you with a bunch of his buddies.
 
There's positive videos too but you're not interested in those are you? Still, if you want to live your life in fear, fine by me. Ohhhh, they're coming for you, I'm sure of it.


go tell that to a LEO, a LEO that has a fully LOADED gun pointed at your person, with the power to maim you for life, or to take your life.

Go tell that to a LEO that will ALWAYS tell his/her supervisor they shot a suspect because, "I feared for my life."

Tell that to a LEO that has the laws, the courts, the juries in their pockets; ME, I don't have that.

That is the truth America is waking up to now that digital video is exposing the violence that many, as myself, are learning of being perpetrated by LE.


Now, go live in your fantasy land .............................
 
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And you're faulting the officer, I presume.

I dont view it that way. First, im wag'ing that the driver was drunk. Secondly, everyone knows you don't hop out of the car when you get pulled over. And certainly not bounding out with something in your hand. In the dark. Third, he made some very unclear and possibly threatening moves... probably by accident because he's an idiot. But I'm guessing that officer wanted to get home alive at the end of his shift.

A damn shame.

Dude wasn't pulled over, dude was in a fender bender. He was in the process of getting out before the officer even parked. He was fighting gravity to get out. The truck driver was out, why didn't he get shot?

Bottom line, I'm as much a defender of LEOs as anyone, an officer literally saved my life a few years back...but this guy reminded very strongly of the idiot Ramathorn, or whatever his name was, from super troopers. He made a demand, and gave the guy .06 seconds to comply, before getting shot. Seriously. Put yourself in the drivers position. You're on the interstate, you got in a fender bender. The other driver is already out, approaching you, likely with insurance info. What do you do? I would get out, talk, maybe take pictures. Unless, of course, officer Ramathorn is there, and you desire not to get shot.
 
I'm not quite sure I understand what your point is.

On the one hand, it could be argued that the officer reacted too fast to what appeared to be a citizen exiting a car, not following instructions, and holding something small and dark in his hands.

On the other, we have a citizen who does everything wrong as well...exiting the vehicle, ignoring instructions, and holding something small and dark which cannot immediately be seen as a wallet.

I believe I would have been calmer than this officer under the circumstances, but judging by his reaction it is pretty clear he honestly thought it might be a weapon.

As a counter-example:



Major difference between having an officer show up to ASSIST you, possibly even being summoned there BY you, for said assistance, as in the top vid, vs having an officer pull you over for a legal infraction or probable cause of something else.

Wouldn't you agree?


From an officers perspective, world of difference as well.
 
Dude wasn't pulled over, dude was in a fender bender. He was in the process of getting out before the officer even parked. He was fighting gravity to get out. The truck driver was out, why didn't he get shot?

Bottom line, I'm as much a defender of LEOs as anyone, an officer literally saved my life a few years back...but this guy reminded very strongly of the idiot Ramathorn, or whatever his name was, from super troopers. He made a demand, and gave the guy .06 seconds to comply, before getting shot. Seriously. Put yourself in the drivers position. You're on the interstate, you got in a fender bender. The other driver is already out, approaching you, likely with insurance info. What do you do? I would get out, talk, maybe take pictures. Unless, of course, officer Ramathorn is there, and you desire not to get shot.

The whole issue is that you can't act like you otherwise would because the cops showed up. Instead of being cool and acting like a normal ****ing human being you have to walk on hot coals trying to not get burned too badly because idiot cops have a tendency to make **** violent. It's like being around a huge violent moron that you have to be really careful to not piss off.
 
Cops aren't supposed to offer medical assistance. I'm betting that was "by the book."

LEOs are first responders, they are REQUIRED to provide basic medical assistance as the situation requires. The officer in the video seemed much more interested in his own personal fate, from the looks and sounds of it.
 
And you're faulting the officer, I presume.

I dont view it that way. First, im wag'ing that the driver was drunk. Secondly, everyone knows you don't hop out of the car when you get pulled over. And certainly not bounding out with something in your hand. In the dark. Third, he made some very unclear and possibly threatening moves... probably by accident because he's an idiot. But I'm guessing that officer wanted to get home alive at the end of his shift.

A damn shame.

Ridiculous. Jump to conclusions much?
 
Major difference between having an officer show up to ASSIST you, possibly even being summoned there BY you, for said assistance, as in the top vid, vs having an officer pull you over for a legal infraction or probable cause of something else.

Wouldn't you agree?

From an officers perspective, world of difference as well.

Not necessarily.

The point is that whenever a police officer arrives on scene to survey an issue, it can turn deadly. I am sure we can pull video of incident after incident showing how the most innocuous of situations can suddenly turn deadly for a police officer.

People need to remember that the job itself entails constant contact on a daily basis with citizens of various attitudes and levels of threat. 99% of the time it could be perfectly fine...the remaining 1% still gets the officer killed or wounded.

In this situation we are dealing with a night incident, and an officer dealing with any situation at night is at a heightened level of awareness and anxiety. This because it is harder to see and as a result allows for a greater level of surprise favoring the individual being encountered.

Moreover, as pointed out elsewhere in this thread, unless the citizens are already outside of their vehicles when the officer pulls up, they are expected to remain inside their vehicles unless and until the officer states otherwise. This for everyone's safety, especially on a highway in regards to passing motor vehicles.

Again, I am not saying the officer was right. In fact, as I stated I believe I would have reacted less precipitously. However, according to the summary under the video:

The United States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit affirmed the judgment of the Southern District Court of Iowa in that the use of force by Ofc. Hancock was reasonable. However, they did call the shooting a disastrous mistake, but that the position of Davidson’s wallet and hands right before the shooting meant that the mistake did not violate Davidson’s constitutional rights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr0NFyD0Nzw
 
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Not necessarily.

The point is that whenever a police officer arrives on scene to survey an issue, it can turn deadly. I am sure we can pull video of incident after incident showing how the most innocuous of situations can suddenly turn deadly for a police officer.

People need to remember that the job itself entails constant contact with citizens of various attitudes and levels of threat. 99% of the time it could be perfectly fine...the remaining 1% still gets the officer killed or wounded.

In this situation we are dealing with a night incident, and an officer dealing with any situation at night is at a heightened level of awareness and anxiety. This because it is harder to see and as a result allows for a greater level of surprise favoring the individual being encountered.

Moreover, as pointed out elsewhere in this thread, unless the citizens are already outside of their vehicles when the officer pulls up, they are expected to remain inside their vehicles unless and until the officer states otherwise. This for everyone's safety, especially on a highway in regards to passing motor vehicles.

Again, I am not saying the officer was right. In fact, as I stated I believe I would have reacted less precipitously. However, according to the summary under the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr0NFyD0Nzw

Watch the video again, bro. No one says stay in the car. He is told "Let me see your hands", and less than one second later, dude is shot.

And he was in the act of putting his hands up, despite the door swinging on him, when he did get shot.

I'm sorry, but that **** is reprehensible, I don't care what a judge, or a lawyer, or anyone else says. Just watch the video.
 
Watch the video again, bro. No one says stay in the car. He is told "Let me see your hands", and less than one second later, dude is shot.

And he was in the act of putting his hands up, despite the door swinging on him, when he did get shot.

I'm sorry, but that **** is reprehensible, I don't care what a judge, or a lawyer, or anyone else says. Just watch the video.

I did watch the video. :yes:

As usual, unless I see a glaring mistake on the part of the participants, I argue from the perspective of a defense attorney. I have, in the past in this Forum, argued against the actions of officers in various shooting videos. :shrug:

No one has to say "stay in the car."

You are supposed to remain in your car until told otherwise, unless you are already outside the vehicle when the officer arrives. That is pretty standard advice any lawyer in any State will give you, even if it may not be in that State's driver's training expected before licensure.

He did say let me see your hands, several times. Meanwhile the driver kept trying to get out and when he finally showed his hands it was after fumbling around with something dark and of the size of a small firearm that NO ONE watching the video would immediately recognize as a wallet.

Hence, the decisions of both the Iowa state court, and the Eleventh Circuit Appeals Court.

It was a tragic mistake I am certain the officer regrets for the rest of his life, but it was still an understandable reaction by THAT officer under the circumstances.

I would probably have reacted somewhat differently, but hindsight is 20/20.
 
The kind of best friend that you want to avoid being around because he might shoot you or assault you with a bunch of his buddies.

I've lived a long time on this earth. I have NEVER had a bad encounter with a cop. Ever. I've been suspected of car theft and ordered out of my car at gunpoint. I've had a gun pointed at me when I was banging on a door at 2 am. And I have had more breaks and kindnesses shown to me than there are red M&Ms in a bag.

What's wrong with people? I think there's a stupid gene.
 
LEOs are first responders, they are REQUIRED to provide basic medical assistance as the situation requires. The officer in the video seemed much more interested in his own personal fate, from the looks and sounds of it.

I'd like o see a link on that. That's not what I understand... although it may vary by department. Link that shows they're First Responders?
 
Ridiculous. Jump to conclusions much?

Well, I trust my spider senses. The only conclusion I jumped to was I wild ass guessed he was intoxicated. As to the guilt of the officer, it appears I was correct.
 
I did watch the video. :yes:

As usual, unless I see a glaring mistake on the part of the participants, I argue from the perspective of a defense attorney. I have, in the past in this Forum, argued against the actions of officers in various shooting videos. :shrug:

No one has to say "stay in the car."

You are supposed to remain in your car until told otherwise, unless you are already outside the vehicle when the officer arrives. That is pretty standard advice any lawyer in any State will give you, even if it may not be in that State's driver's training expected before licensure.

He did say let me see your hands, several times. Meanwhile the driver kept trying to get out and when he finally showed his hands it was after fumbling around with something dark and of the size of a small firearm that NO ONE watching the video would immediately recognize as a wallet.

Hence, the decisions of both the Iowa state court, and the Eleventh Circuit Appeals Court.

It was a tragic mistake I am certain the officer regrets for the rest of his life, but it was still an understandable reaction by THAT officer under the circumstances.

I would probably have reacted somewhat differently, but hindsight is 20/20.

I watched that section several times, again. Looked to me like the guy was simply shocked that he was being treated like a potential criminal.
 
I've lived a long time on this earth. I have NEVER had a bad encounter with a cop. Ever. I've been suspected of car theft and ordered out of my car at gunpoint. I've had a gun pointed at me when I was banging on a door at 2 am. And I have had more breaks and kindnesses shown to me than there are red M&Ms in a bag.

What's wrong with people? I think there's a stupid gene.

It's stupid to assume that officers are there to help you, and not assume you are armed and dangerous, until proven otherwise?
 
I've lived a long time on this earth. I have NEVER had a bad encounter with a cop. Ever. I've been suspected of car theft and ordered out of my car at gunpoint. I've had a gun pointed at me when I was banging on a door at 2 am. And I have had more breaks and kindnesses shown to me than there are red M&Ms in a bag.

What's wrong with people? I think there's a stupid gene.

yes, there are those in abundance, and on both sides of the thin blue line ................
 
It's stupid to assume that officers are there to help you, and not assume you are armed and dangerous, until proven otherwise?

He couldn't see what was in the guy's hand. The guy was unresponsive to urgent commands. It's unfortunate. But I'm not going to handcuff cops and say they have to be 100% sure or they're murderers.

Very unfortunate incident.
 
I'd like o see a link on that. That's not what I understand... although it may vary by department. Link that shows they're First Responders?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_responder

Fire fighters, police, etc, all are required to be CPR certified, have basic first aid training (else, why have the kit in their squad cars?) and lately, are receiving training for administering that new anti OD drug due to the heroin problem.
 
He couldn't see what was in the guy's hand. The guy was unresponsive to urgent commands. It's unfortunate. But I'm not going to handcuff cops and say they have to be 100% sure or they're murderers.

Very unfortunate incident.

Look, 99% of the time, I support the officers decision. Even when I think it's wrong. Because I understand at least a little of what it must be like. But this? This wasn't a traffic stop. This wasn't a dui check point. This wasn't a probable cause nothing...

This was a guy fighting his door to get out of his car to meet the officer and the other driver who was already out his vehicle, and was shot less than 1 second after being screamed at to see his hand.

Bottom line, in my opinion, the situation was handled all wrong, and I'll quote a line...first rule of management...everything is your faulght. The officer, from his very first interaction with the VICTIM, failed to appropriately manage the situation.

If that was someone you cared about, how would you feel? Be honest.
 
Look, 99% of the time, I support the officers decision. Even when I think it's wrong. Because I understand at least a little of what it must be like. But this? This wasn't a traffic stop. This wasn't a dui check point. This wasn't a probable cause nothing...

This was a guy fighting his door to get out of his car to meet the officer and the other driver who was already out his vehicle, and was shot less than 1 second after being screamed at to see his hand.

Bottom line, in my opinion, the situation was handled all wrong, and I'll quote a line...first rule of management...everything is your faulght. The officer, from his very first interaction with the VICTIM, failed to appropriately manage the situation.

If that was someone you cared about, how would you feel? Be honest.

I can't answer that. But I know there's a reason I wouldn't be selected on the jury...
 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_responder

Fire fighters, police, etc, all are required to be CPR certified, have basic first aid training (else, why have the kit in their squad cars?) and lately, are receiving training for administering that new anti OD drug due to the heroin problem.

I won't post links, but cops are NOT all required to provide first aid to people they've shot. A first responder to a traffic accident is very different than giving first aid to someone who was just shooting at you. There's much to be done to secure a situation. Is there anyone else in the car? Remember, this cop thought the guy was presenting a gun. Where IS the guy's gun? Does he have any other weapons on him? Then there's the adrenalin rush to be overcome and recovered from.

Different departments have different policies re rendering first aid to those with whom they've been involved in a shooting. In many departments, a cop has fulfilled his duty by calling for paramedics. We may not AGREE with those policies, but when officers adhere to them, they can hardly be blamed.
 
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