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Hawkeye10

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I am surprised this is not a thing, as there are lots of reasons to care about this case. Jury has been out three days, people is getting nervous.

The so-called victim went after and got money to make her whole on the civil side, I have trouble with the state going after him on the criminal side after that , and that the so-called victim his helping them.

This stinks.

I hope for not guilty, but I dont expect to see it.

What say you?

Bonus question: Why is there so little interest?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I am surprised this is not a thing, as there are lots of reasons to care about this case. Jury has been out three days, people is getting nervous.

The so-called victim went after and got money to make her whole on the civil side, I have trouble with the state going after him on the criminal side after that , and that the so-called victim his helping them.

This stinks.

I hope for not guilty, but I dont expect to see it.

What say you?

Bonus question: Why is there so little interest?
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Simple.

After all the hoopla of multiple allegations in the media, and the women lining up to get a share of his wealth via civil actions...most people assume he is guilty and don't care anymore.

I prefer to await the outcome of this sole criminal case (all the other's are prevented by statute of limitations), letting the jury decide.

Until then, he remains innocent until proven guilty as far as I am concerned.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
Simple.

After all the hoopla of multiple allegations in the media, and the women lining up to get a share of his wealth via civil actions...most people assume he is guilty and don't care anymore.

I prefer to await the outcome of this sole criminal case (all the other's are prevented by statute of limitations), letting the jury decide.

Until then, he remains innocent until proven guilty as far as I am concerned.
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I sense too that in so many instances these last years we have had juries refuse to do as their told, with all the outrage that comes after that, maybe folks are afraid that will happen again, so they are ignoring this, fearing the worst.

Maybe after they get the green light to celebrate (guilty) we see something different.
 
Juries I have been on have taken their roles very serious. Juries have to use information given to them in trial not the media's interpretation.

I think you have to give the jury a little credit. Most of them want to make the right decision. They are in the process of coming to that decision while many people made up their minds months ago.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I am surprised this is not a thing, as there are lots of reasons to care about this case. Jury has been out three days, people is getting nervous.

The so-called victim went after and got money to make her whole on the civil side, I have trouble with the state going after him on the criminal side after that , and that the so-called victim his helping them.

This stinks.

I hope for not guilty, but I dont expect to see it.

What say you?

Bonus question: Why is there so little interest?
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Little interest because Cosby is about 5 years away from meeting his maker, at most. And, much of this happened 30 years ago. Also, Cosby is no longer relevant.

The case is interesting. The last guy convicted of drugging women and raping them, some football player, received 20 years. I believe there was much more concrete evidence in that case though. Cosby case is old, evidence is mostly he said, she said, and much of it is too gray to produce strong feelings either way.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I am surprised this is not a thing, as there are lots of reasons to care about this case. Jury has been out three days, people is getting nervous.

The so-called victim went after and got money to make her whole on the civil side, I have trouble with the state going after him on the criminal side after that , and that the so-called victim his helping them.

This stinks.

I hope for not guilty, but I dont expect to see it.

What say you?

Bonus question: Why is there so little interest?
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I didn't know about the civil settlement. That is a considerable red herring. My hunch is that there were so many accusations that had expired under statute of limitations that the State felt compelled to prosecute.
 
DaveFagan said:
I didn't know about the civil settlement. That is a considerable red herring. My hunch is that there were so many accusations that had expired under statute of limitations that the State felt compelled to prosecute.
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"The ends justify the means", yes, I have heard of that.
 
calamity said:
Little interest because Cosby is about 5 years away from meeting his maker, at most. And, much of this happened 30 years ago. Also, Cosby is no longer relevant.

The case is interesting. The last guy convicted of drugging women and raping them, some football player, received 20 years. I believe there was much more concrete evidence in that case though. Cosby case is old, evidence is mostly he said, she said, and much of it is too gray to produce strong feelings either way.
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Oh come on, this is America 2017, once we decide a guy is bad we dont care much about all those "niceties".
 
Captain Adverse said:
Simple.

After all the hoopla of multiple allegations in the media, and the women lining up to get a share of his wealth via civil actions...most people assume he is guilty and don't care anymore.

I prefer to await the outcome of this sole criminal case (all the other's are prevented by statute of limitations), letting the jury decide.

Until then, he remains innocent until proven guilty as far as I am concerned.
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Gold diggers will be gold diggers. One way or another.
 
Let me start by saying that I haven't read any of the testimonies and have followed the story not very closely.
My questions are as follows.
Why now? I am not saying they are lying, and perhaps were too embarrassed to come forward until they had strength in numbers. However, it comes across as a concerted effort to smear the man's name for some sort of monetary gain.
Why would Cosby, at the prime of his career, find it necessary to drug women even though women adored him and probably would have welcomed his advances? If he were the psycho these women make him out to be, do we really think others wouldn't have noticed?
I don't buy it.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Oh come on, this is America 2017, once we decide a guy is bad we dont care much about all those "niceties".
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I don't think America cares about Cosby anymore. There are other shiny objects to focus on these days. Some old fart who once had a top rated TV show on trial for date-rape isn't cutting through the noise.
 
Lovebug said:
Let me start by saying that I haven't read any of the testimonies and have followed the story not very closely.
My questions are as follows.
Why now? I am not saying they are lying, and perhaps were too embarrassed to come forward until they had strength in numbers. However, it comes across as a concerted effort to smear the man's name for some sort of monetary gain.
Why would Cosby, at the prime of his career, find it necessary to drug women even though women adored him and probably would have welcomed his advances? If he were the psycho these women make him out to be, do we really think others wouldn't have noticed?
I don't buy it.
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He may have been more interested in drugging them than having consensual sex with them. Why? :shrug:
 
calamity said:
I don't think America cares about Cosby anymore. There are other shiny objects to focus on these days. Some old fart who once had a top rated TV show on trial for date-rape isn't cutting through the noise.
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I loved his show and wish we had more shows like that.
 
calamity said:
He may have been more interested in drugging them than having consensual sex with them. Why? :shrug:
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On some say so. Innocent until proven guilty, right?
I'll wait until they read the verdict. May be he did, may be he didn't. He will have to face the final judge.
 
Lovebug said:
I loved his show and wish we had more shows like that.
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I wasn't into it, but I saw enough of it to notice it was high quality and adult. It certainly was better written than Rozanne, and the Cosby Show focused more on cooperation within the family unit than bickering and cutting each other down. Yeah, a good show.
 
Lovebug said:
On some say so. Innocent until proven guilty, right?
I'll wait until they read the verdict. May be he did, may be he didn't. He will have to face the final judge.
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The shear volume of accusations suggests he had an issue. But, that was so long ago, I'm not sure he will be convicted in 2017 for things that happened in the 70's, 80's and 90's.
 
Frankly, I think it is because all the Trump stuff has people's attention. Hell, I bet if the OJ trial were happening now it wouldn't be getting much attention either.
 
Lovebug said:
Let me start by saying that I haven't read any of the testimonies and have followed the story not very closely.
My questions are as follows.
Why now? I am not saying they are lying, and perhaps were too embarrassed to come forward until they had strength in numbers. However, it comes across as a concerted effort to smear the man's name for some sort of monetary gain.
Why would Cosby, at the prime of his career, find it necessary to drug women even though women adored him and probably would have welcomed his advances? If he were the psycho these women make him out to be, do we really think others wouldn't have noticed?
I don't buy it.
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Why would Cosby at any time in his career want to drug women before having sex with them? Why would anybody? Maybe it's not so much about the availability of sexual partners but about the need for control?
 
nota bene said:
Why would Cosby at any time in his career want to drug women before having sex with them? Why would anybody? Maybe it's not so much about the availability of sexual partners but about the need for control?
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Good thought, but I still don't buy it. May be I am made of a different cloth. If someone wronged me, I confront them right there and then and don't wait. They must have at least told someone at the time, yet it seems like they went on with their lives like nothing happened.
Of course that is my take on it, and I have been wrong now and then.
 
nota bene said:
Why would Cosby at any time in his career want to drug women before having sex with them? Why would anybody? Maybe it's not so much about the availability of sexual partners but about the need for control?
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Sex is definitely not the prime driving factor in rape. Otherwise they would just hire prostitutes.
 
Lovebug said:
Good thought, but I still don't buy it. May be I am made of a different cloth. If someone wronged me, I confront them right there and then and don't wait. They must have at least told someone at the time, yet it seems like they went on with their lives like nothing happened.
Of course that is my take on it, and I have been wrong now and then.
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You are forgetting how powerful Cosby was back then. Some did go to the police but the prosecutor wouldn't pursue the case. Cosby had the influence to destroy their careers. But once others come out there is safety in numbers.

Even in cases where the alleged rapist isn't one of the most beloved and famous people in the country, convictions are the exception. And on top of that during the trial the victim has to relive it and have her own credibility and lifestyle attacked. For many rape victims the downsides outweigh the upsides of reporting their rapes.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
You are forgetting how powerful Cosby was back then. Some did go to the police but the prosecutor wouldn't pursue the case. Cosby had the influence to destroy their careers. But once others come out there is safety in numbers.

Even in cases where the alleged rapist isn't one of the most beloved and famous people in the country, convictions are the exception. And on top of that during the trial the victim has to relive it and have her own credibility and lifestyle attacked. For many rape victims the downsides outweigh the upsides of reporting their rapes.
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He had the influence to help careers too, a lot of influence, and more than most he used it. Bill Cosby helped a lot of people.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
He had the influence to help careers too, a lot of influence, and more than most he used it. Bill Cosby helped a lot of people.
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Yes he did. Few people are all good or all bad.
 
Lovebug said:
Good thought, but I still don't buy it. May be I am made of a different cloth. If someone wronged me, I confront them right there and then and don't wait. They must have at least told someone at the time, yet it seems like they went on with their lives like nothing happened.
Of course that is my take on it, and I have been wrong now and then.
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And so, always startlingly, have I! ;)

I'm not an expert on the ins and outs of this trial, but one reason women may not have spoken up back-in-the-day is because they didn't think they would be relieved. As you say, here is a powerful man at the top of his profession--why would you believe an "opportunist" or "gold-digger"?

Another reason is that in his industry, someone with Cosby's influence has the power to kill an aspiring actor's or writer's career, and so they put their hopes and ambitions before the courageous risk of standing up and telling the truth. But here are two articles about women who did try to speak up:

Bill Cosby: A 50-year chronicle of accusations and accomplishments - LA Times

One alleged victim has said, "What kind of credibility did I have?" [Victoria] Valentino said, explaining her decision to not report the alleged incident at the time. "In those days, it was always the rape victim who wound up being victimized. You didn't want to go to the police. That's the last thing you wanted to do back then."

Tamara Green spoke up in 2005 and then again in 2014, "even writing an op-ed for ETonline in which she detailed the adversity she encountered after sharing her story. 'To go for help and be dismissed because he's very cool and famous and you are not," she wrote. "It is crushing and you are a victim all over again.'" Bill Cosby's Accusers: A Timeline of Alleged Sexual Assault Claims (Updated)
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Sex is definitely not the prime driving factor in rape. Otherwise they would just hire prostitutes.
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True enough. And in a link I've just provided to ET Online, one of Cosby's alleged victims says Cosby gave her pills to help with her flu symptoms which left her nearly unconscious, took her home, undressed and began groping her, and "I actually told him that he would have to kill me, that if he didn't kill me and he tried to rape me, it was going to go very badly," Green said. "I guess it was inconvenient at that point, I had not been crushed successfully into submission, and he left two $100 bills on my coffee table and he left my apartment." Bill Cosby's Accusers: A Timeline of Alleged Sexual Assault Claims (Updated)
 
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