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Violent Crime up 50% in Some Cities, Due to Lower Incarceration Attempts

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"The most recent statistics from the U.S. Department of Justice show violent crime rates in some California cities has increased by over 50 percent," said Michele Hanisee, president of the Association of Los Angeles Deputy District Attorneys. "If you look at the national data, our violent crime rates are going up faster than the rest of the nation. So why?"

Prosecutors and police have an explanation -- a series of prison reform measures, which reduce the state prison population by 20,000 inmates by releasing non-violent offenders early and making some felonies misdemeanors. One law, Assembly Bill 109, transferred 60,000 felony parole violators a year from state prison to county control. The measure saved California $100 million but some argue it was not without casualties.

Whittier Police Chief Jeff Piper said, following the fatal shooting of a member of his force, "It's not good for our community and it's not good for our officers."

Piper believes AB 109 contributed to the February 20 death of Whittier police officer Keith Boyer. The shooting suspect is convicted felon Michael Mejia, who court records show cycled in and out of prison several times between 2010 and 2016 for various charges including robbery and grand theft auto. After his release from Pelican Bay State Prison in April 2016, he violated parole four times.

Under the old law, he would have returned to prison but under AB 109, he received a ten-day "flash incarceration" in county jail. Just days later, he allegedly killed Boyer and his own cousin and injured another officer.

Did California prison reform lead to an increase in crime? | Fox News

The article goes on to cite 3 sources that disagree with the assessment of why violent crime is up in California, but they're the usual suspects; a college professor, and two liberal research & advocacy groups.

What's your opinion?
 
The article goes on to cite 3 sources that disagree with the assessment of why violent crime is up in California, but they're the usual suspects; a college professor, and two liberal research & advocacy groups.

What's your opinion?

We apparently lead the developed world in incarceration rates, in violent crime, in mal distribution of income, in other negative economic, social and health factors. We also have a lot of guns. We often jail people in remote areas, overcharge inmates, and otherwise act as if prisons are a rural jobs program and money-making operation for their contractors. That "stew" of factors makes us generally less safe than other similar societies. We are doing some things wrong, and there are no simple solutions. We need an emphasis on both individual and communal responsibility as a start. We also need to explore what the "usual suspects" like college professors who study these things for a living might recommend, for example, an examination of if/why those states mentioned who have released some offenders have not seen an uptick in crime. We might also try studying what in the formation of males in our society (other than testosterone) makes us guys more crime-prone than the distaff side.
 
We apparently lead the developed world in incarceration rates, in violent crime, in mal distribution of income, in other negative economic, social and health factors. We also have a lot of guns. We often jail people in remote areas, overcharge inmates, and otherwise act as if prisons are a rural jobs program and money-making operation for their contractors. That "stew" of factors makes us generally less safe than other similar societies.

You said a lot there, and while I don't disagree with some of the things you said, the OP is about why violent crime rates are rising in California. Do you have an opinion about that specific topic?


We are doing some things wrong, and there are no simple solutions. We need an emphasis on both individual and communal responsibility as a start. We also need to explore what the "usual suspects" like college professors who study these things for a living might recommend, for example, an examination of if/why those states mentioned who have released some offenders have not seen an uptick in crime.


They recommend releasing felons from prison early, and cutting the number of incarcerated individuals in the state. We did that, and now violent crime is booming. Other crime, like property crime is also up, and the state is not prosecuting people who are caught stealing things like mail for the purpose of identity theft. So quality of life issues are arising from the state's poor justice system.

We might also try studying what in the formation of males in our society (other than testosterone) makes us guys more crime-prone than the distaff side.

Sounds like you want endless studies that require an endless supply of grant money from the government. Studying why males commit crime isn't going to lower crime rates.
 
The article goes on to cite 3 sources that disagree with the assessment of why violent crime is up in California, but they're the usual suspects; a college professor, and two liberal research & advocacy groups.

What's your opinion?

Your article links to no statistics, studies, or facts of any kind. It's an opinion piece by a Fox News writer, but what a great time to get a few shots in on professors, research groups, and the state of California.

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State of California Department of Justice

Crime is down all over the country, including California, but you have an agenda to lock more of your fellow human beings in cages for non-violent crimes, so you have no problem creating or supporting fake data based on highly politicitized opinion pieces. Keep forging your own ****ty reality.
 
Your article links to no statistics, studies, or facts of any kind. It's an opinion piece by a Fox News writer, but what a great time to get a few shots in on professors, research groups, and the state of California. Keep forging your own reality.

My reality is that of a native Californian who resides in California. I've no idea what yours is.

If the Faux News place was really fabricating statistics, don't you think the liberals named in the article would have pointed out that fact? They don't dispute the violent crime increase.
 
Let's try a similar strategy:

Rape is up 300% in Texas. Why do conservatives love raping people so much? Sources? No, who needs that?
 
The article goes on to cite 3 sources that disagree with the assessment of why violent crime is up in California, but they're the usual suspects; a college professor, and two liberal research & advocacy groups.

What's your opinion?
Are they the sanctuary cities being affected?
 
Your article links to no statistics, studies, or facts of any kind. It's an opinion piece by a Fox News writer, but what a great time to get a few shots in on professors, research groups, and the state of California.

recent-stat-cc-3-2015-07-10.png

State of California Department of Justice

Crime is down all over the country, including California, but you have an agenda to lock more of your fellow human beings in cages for non-violent crimes, so you have no problem creating or supporting fake data based on highly politicitized opinion pieces. Keep forging your own ****ty reality.

Considering this is recent, and you present a graph to 2014.... Which might be only to 2013 data...

What is your objective please?

I see it as meaningless.
 
Your article links to no statistics, studies, or facts of any kind. It's an opinion piece by a Fox News writer, but what a great time to get a few shots in on professors, research groups, and the state of California.

recent-stat-cc-3-2015-07-10.png

State of California Department of Justice

Crime is down all over the country, including California, but you have an agenda to lock more of your fellow human beings in cages for non-violent crimes, so you have no problem creating or supporting fake data based on highly politicitized opinion pieces. Keep forging your own ****ty reality.

This thread is also about "violent" crimes. Not just crimes.

Your graph is absolutely meaningless for this thread.

Did you lose your thinking cap?
 
I was sticking with the theme of the OP. That's what we're doing here right? Making up facts with nothing to support them then attacking "the other side" as if there's a connection?

But they are not making it up.
 
This thread is also about "violent" crimes. Not just crimes.
Your graph is absolutely meaningless for this thread.
Did you lose your thinking cap?

Both violent and property crimes are listed. Did you lose your brain in your partisan hackery?

But they are not making it up.

Sure they are. The link provided zero links to studies, statistics or facts of any kind. It started on an imagined premise then built it into a partisan attack. It's an opinion article without sources but it makes you feel good, right? Present evidence that violent crime is up 50% and this is specifically linked to liberal sentencing policies.
 
Both violent and property crimes are listed. Did you lose your brain in your partisan hackery?



Sure they are. The link provided zero links to studies, statistics or facts of any kind. It started on an imagined premise then built it into a partisan attack. It's an opinion article without sources but it makes you feel good, right? Present evidence that violent crime is up 50% and this is specifically linked to liberal sentencing policies.
It doesn't claim a state average anyway. It says "some" cities. That's why in my first post, I asked if it was the sanctuary cities.

I ask questions. Why don't you?

There is nothing partisan about my post. Your confirmation bias misleads you.
 
Your article links to no statistics, studies, or facts of any kind. It's an opinion piece by a Fox News writer, but what a great time to get a few shots in on professors, research groups, and the state of California.

recent-stat-cc-3-2015-07-10.png

State of California Department of Justice

Crime is down all over the country, including California, but you have an agenda to lock more of your fellow human beings in cages for non-violent crimes, so you have no problem creating or supporting fake data based on highly politicitized opinion pieces. Keep forging your own ****ty reality.

And you thought it was relevant to post crime data that ends in 2014, when the OP is about about trends in violent crime that began with Prop 47 becoming law in 2015.... :doh

Here's a graph reflecting the effects of Prop 47. Notice that both property crime & violent crime increased during the first year of implementation.

CrimeCitiesRecent_PNG-1.png

https://calmatters.org/articles/charticle-californias-crime-on-the-rise/

Here's some more right wingers (lol) stating what they've seen since the law change.
The mayor of Los Angeles, Eric Garcetti, has also suggested that the law may explain why his city's crime rates went from decreasing to increasing.

George Gascón, the district attorney of San Francisco, said that the law "has made it easier for drug offenders to avoid mandated treatment programs.

In a 2015 story in the Washington Post, the police chief of San Diego, Shelley Zimmerman, described Proposition 47 as "a virtual get-out-of-jail-free card." She and other police chiefs also expressed concern about the increasing phenomenon of "frequent flier" criminals–people who exploit Proposition 47 to commit crimes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_47_(2014)
 
Are they the sanctuary cities being affected?

I'd suspect that Sanctuary Cities are experiencing crime hikes. Even the mayor of LA and the DA of San Francisco have admitted that crime is up. Those 2 cities lead the state in illegals.
 
And you thought it was relevant to post crime data that ends in 2014, when the OP is about about trends in violent crime that began with Prop 47 becoming law in 2015.... :doh

Here's a graph reflecting the effects of Prop 47. Notice that both property crime & violent crime increased during the first year of implementation.
https://calmatters.org/articles/charticle-californias-crime-on-the-rise/

Here's some more right wingers (lol) stating what they've seen since the law change.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_47_(2014)

217 to 241 is an 11% increase, not a 50% increase. Your math is as horrible as your sourcing. It also doesn't show any connection to sentencing policies. You reshared an idiotic opinion article you found on the internet that had no sources, facts, or links to back up anything it said.

He pulls things out of his ass, tries to float outdated data, spins, flops, and eventually abandons thread.

Really? I posted actual data from the California DOJ, you posted an opinion article from Fox that showed nothing you pretended it did.
 
He pulls things out of his ass, tries to float outdated data, spins, flops, and eventually abandons thread.

So...

You belive two wrongs make a right?

Ok...

I'll remember that about your integrity.
 
217 to 241 is an 11% increase, not a 50% increase. Your math is as horrible as your sourcing. It also doesn't show any connection to sentencing policies. You reshared an idiotic opinion article you found on the internet that had no sources, facts, or links to back up anything it said.



Really? I posted actual data from the California DOJ, you posted an opinion article from Fox that showed nothing you pretended it did.

My God...

2015 is the first year. What about adding 2016 now?
 
My God...

2015 is the first year. What about adding 2016 now?

Then show the data and prove the connection to the sentencing policies. You haven't shown ****, you've just shown up to whine yet provide no facts or sourcing of any kind.

So...
You belive two wrongs make a right?
Ok...
I'll remember that about your integrity.

So you admit he's pulling things out of his ass. I made up a fake statistic in post #6 to show how laughably stupid this thread is. If you have some evidence that some random dickhead at Fox News writing an opinion piece with no facts is right, either prove it, or stop trolling.
 
217 to 241 is an 11% increase, not a 50% increase. Your math is as horrible as your sourcing.

That graph is a study of California's largest 68 cities. The OP doesn't specify that it's talking about these exact 68 cities. Your reading comprehension is as horrible as your sources of data.

"The most recent statistics from the U.S. Department of Justice show violent crime rates in some California cities has increased by over 50 percent," said Michele Hanisee, president of the Association of Los Angeles Deputy District Attorneys. "If you look at the national data, our violent crime rates are going up faster than the rest of the nation. So why?"

Got it now?

It also doesn't show any connection to sentencing policies.

You've now several statements from California police, lawyers, and mayors who've said that changes in sentencing is what's driving crime up. Your credentials aren't on par with theirs, correct?

You reshared an idiotic opinion article you found on the internet that had no sources, facts, or links to back up anything it said.

The article says that police and California prosecutors feel that the changes in the law are what's driving violent crime up. I respect their opinions, and not yours, which is why I felt that the OP was sufficient.

Really? I posted actual data from the California DOJ, you posted an opinion article from Fox that showed nothing you pretended it did.

You've already proven that you don't live in California and have no idea what goes on here.

Crime is down all over the country, including California..
 
That graph is a study of California's largest 68 cities. The OP doesn't specify that it's talking about these exact 68 cities. Your reading comprehension is as horrible as your sources of data.

"The most recent statistics from the U.S. Department of Justice show violent crime rates in some California cities has increased by over 50 percent," said Michele Hanisee, president of the Association of Los Angeles Deputy District Attorneys. "If you look at the national data, our violent crime rates are going up faster than the rest of the nation. So why?"

Got it now?
You've now several statements from California police, lawyers, and mayors who've said that changes in sentencing is what's driving crime up. Your credentials aren't on par with theirs, correct?

The article says that police and California prosecutors feel that the changes in the law are what's driving violent crime up. I respect their opinions, and not yours, which is why I felt that the OP was sufficient.

You've already proven that you don't live in California and have no idea what goes on here.

Sources? I've seen nothing showing crime went up 50% in any city, nor a connection to any criminal justice policies. That's the crux of the issue: A Fox News opinion piece with no sources, even for the quotes, is not factual. It says what you want it to say so that's all you need.
 
Then show the data and prove the connection to the sentencing policies. You haven't shown ****, you've just shown up to whine yet provide no facts or sourcing of any kind.



So you admit he's pulling things out of his ass. I made up a fake statistic in post #6 to show how laughably stupid this thread is. If you have some evidence that some random dickhead at Fox News writing an opinion piece with no facts is right, either prove it, or stop trolling.

You are twisted.

Are yo going to claom that i two years, it is not possible for "some" cities to have increased in violent crimes by 50%?

I agree, the individual city data wasn't presented, but yo haven't shown it impossible either.
 
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