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Violent Crime up 50% in Some Cities, Due to Lower Incarceration Attempts

Geoist said:
And 40% are not. Two of the top three are not sanctuary cities, so that kind of puts a kink in your theory that sanctuary cities experience more violence per capita than nonsanctuary cities.
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If 60% of the top 10 Most Violent Cities are sanctuary cities, how are you possibly now trying to spin this to say that there's no relationship between the two?

The argument that people make who support sanctuary cities, is that they're safer than non-sanctuary cities.
 
truthatallcost said:
If 60% of the top 10 Most Violent Cities are sanctuary cities, how are you possibly now trying to spin this to say that there's no relationship between the two?

The argument that people make who support sanctuary cities, is that they're safer than non-sanctuary cities.
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Except that argument holds no water because a nonsanctuary city holds the title for most violent crime per capita.
 
Geoist said:
Except that argument holds no water because a nonsanctuary city holds the title for most violent crime per capita.
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Which you're clinging to, in order to defend your position. The fact remains that a majority of America's most dangerous cities are sanctuary cities.

By the way, Detroit had 302 homicides in 2016, while St. Louis had 188. So maybe Detroit should be #1? Sounds like it to me.
 
CriticalThought said:
My opinion is that correlation does not necessarily imply causation.

Some of the countries with the lowest incarceration rates have some of the lowest incidence of violent crime in the world. Does that mean we should stop locking people up?
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They may have low incarceration rates BECAUSE they have low crime.

Sometimes it is a community/cultural thing. WHO is in the community (how many gangs? gang turf conflicts?)? How badly are the individuals in the community hooked on drugs? (Because the illegal drug trade accounts for the vast majority of violent and property crime)....

Its these things that matter.
 
truthatallcost said:
Which you're clinging to, in order to defend your position. The fact remains that a majority of America's most dangerous cities are sanctuary cities.

By the way, Detroit had 302 homicides in 2016, while St. Louis had 188. So maybe Detroit should be #1? Sounds like it to me.
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Crime RATES are based upon population.

Detroit probably has a higher population than does St. Louis.

Also, one city could have a lower amount of murders, but a much much higher amount of OTHER violent crimes, causing the overall violent crime rate to be higher.

Just because gangsta shooters in Detroit have better aim, that doesn't make it, necessarily, a more dangerous place for violent crime (if you consider violent crime rates that is).
 
truthatallcost said:
A combination of lenient sentences and early parole has created crime spikes in California. Talk with any homeless addict or parolee in the state, they know they won't do any jail time for stealing a car or identity theft. Having criminals for life on the streets will inevitably lead to situations of violence.
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And more democrat voters.


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truthatallcost said:
Which you're clinging to, in order to defend your position. The fact remains that a majority of America's most dangerous cities are sanctuary cities.

By the way, Detroit had 302 homicides in 2016, while St. Louis had 188. So maybe Detroit should be #1? Sounds like it to me.
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You don't understand what per capita means, do you?
 
Geoist said:
You don't understand what per capita means, do you?
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Do you understand that you've already proven my point for me?

The US has 19,345 towns & cities.

The overwhelming majority of those are not sanctuary cities. Yet sanctuary cities comprise 60% of the Top 10 violent cities in the USA.

Arguing about which city is #1 cannot possibly improve your position that sanctuary cities are a good thing for the country.
 
truthatallcost said:
Do you understand that you've already proven my point for me?
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So I will take that as a no, you don't understand per capita.


The US has 19,345 towns & cities.

The overwhelming majority of those are not sanctuary cities. Yet sanctuary cities comprise 60% of the Top 10 violent cities in the USA.

Arguing about which city is #1 cannot possibly improve your position that sanctuary cities are a good thing for the country.
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There is no argument over who is #1. St. Louis is #1 and that is a fact.

That fact flies in the face of your theory. Your theory assumes the #1 spot should be held by a sanctuary city. Yet it is not. That tells you there are other factors involved that make a city dangerous.
 
Geoist said:
So I will take that as a no, you don't understand per capita.
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I understand per capita. Do you understand that 60% comprises a majority?



There is no argument over who is #1. St. Louis is #1 and that is a fact.

That fact flies in the face of your theory.
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It's the last threadbare fact you own in your already lost argument.

BTW, there was a serious attempt by city council members to declare St Louis a sanctuary city, since it has a sizable illegal population.

Your theory assumes the #1 spot should be held by a sanctuary city. Yet it is not. That tells you there are other factors involved that make a city dangerous.
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Those again are you words, not mine.

My assertion is that sanctuary cities are made less safe than most non sanctuary cities. But what makes them less safe isn't simply the title of being a sanctuary city. They are less safe because they offer a hideout to illegal people who disregard our laws in favor of doing whatever they want.

60% of the Top 10 Most Violent Cities are sanctuary cities, thus I'm proven correct.
 
truthatallcost said:
I understand per capita.
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If you did then you wouldn't bring up the "point" that Detroit should be ahead of St. Louis.


Do you understand that 60% comprises a majority?
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Yes, and I never once argued the majority of the top ten aren't sanctuary cities. My point was that you cannot claim that 60% is there because of sanctuary city status because 40% of that top ten aren't sanctuary cities, including #1.


BTW, there was a serious attempt by city council members to declare St Louis a sanctuary city, since it has a sizable illegal population.
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Your point?


My assertion is that sanctuary cities are made less safe than most non sanctuary cities. But what makes them less safe isn't simply the title of being a sanctuary city.
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Ummm, okay?


They are less safe because they offer a hideout to illegal people who disregard our laws in favor of doing whatever they want.
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This is what is wrong with your thinking. You assume because they are willing to break immigration laws they are bound to break every law in the book. Many of us go 10 over the speed limit at times, does that mean we are more likely to commit murder/rape? Your assertion is ridiculous.


Being a sanctuary city ensures those communities will still report to police when a crime has occurred. If they are afraid of being arrested for their status then they won't report and violent criminals will remain on the street.


60% of the Top 10 Most Violent Cities are sanctuary cities, thus I'm proven correct.
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Correlation =/= causation. Non-sanctuary city St. Louis being #1 proves this.
 
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