Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman Revisited

[Rexedgar]

Ever since this story first broke I have had a burning question. What I remember hearing was that GZ called 911 and the police dispatcher told him not to pursue 'the subject'. There were other parts to the story and if I am mistaken please correct me. My question has to do with the authority of the police dispatcher. I would think that there would be a trained/evaluated person on the other end of the 911 hotline. Why wouldn't their direction carry LEO authority. I would think that if a police dispatcher told Zimmerman not to pursue the subject and he failed to heed that there would be ramifications, legally. By the way GZ, a real classy individual!

 

[ttwtt78640]

Ever since this story first broke I have had a burning question. What I remember hearing was that GZ called 911 and the police dispatcher told him not to pursue 'the subject'. There were other parts to the story and if I am mistaken please correct me. My question has to do with the authority of the police dispatcher. I would think that there would be a trained/evaluated person on the other end of the 911 hotline. Why wouldn't their direction carry LEO authority. I would think that if a police dispatcher told Zimmerman not to pursue the subject and he failed to heed that there would be ramifications, legally. By the way GZ, a real classy individual!

The dispatcher saying "you don't have to do that" is not saying you may not follow to try to keep the suspect in view. IIRC, the dispatcher also said for Zimmerman to let them know if the suspect did anything else - which clearly involves keeping him in view.

 

[americanwoman]

2 new Zimmerman threads. Somewhere, someone's ear is buzzing. in and out before they come. :lamo

 

[Mario]

And Trayvon gets a posthumous degree. What BS!

 

[Rexedgar]

2 new Zimmerman threads. Somewhere, someone's ear is buzzing. in and out before they come. :lamo

The earlier one started me thinking.....

 

[Skeptic Bob]

Posthumous degrees are always BS.

 

[Rexedgar]

The dispatcher saying "you don't have to do that" is not saying you may not follow to try to keep the suspect in view. IIRC, the dispatcher also said for Zimmerman to let them know if the suspect did anything else - which clearly involves keeping him in view.

I should have pulled the transcript up first. The dispatcher was not direct. Thanks.

 

[MaggieD]

The dispatcher saying "you don't have to do that" is not saying you may not follow to try to keep the suspect in view. IIRC, the dispatcher also said for Zimmerman to let them know if the suspect did anything else - which clearly involves keeping him in view.

I agree. Great memory.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

That is the problem with being a neighborhood watch. If you follow and keep someone in view they may think you are stalking them. I think Treyvon was a bad apple and I think GZ threw caution to the wind because he had a conceal carry permit. I don't think GZ would have pursued Treyvon into a trap if he did not have the gun. If he did pursue without a gun I think Treyvon would have given him a thorough beating and got away. I have been a neighborhood watch and followed people. I also have military and police training in surveillance. Surveillance is a very dangerous game even when multiple people are involved. 1 person not trained will find himself all too often being surprised and in a life or death situation. The bad guys are wary and extremely dangerous when being followed. They will lure you away from the safety of others and before you know it they are all over you. I think that is exactly what happened to GZ. He is lucky Treyvon did not get the gun away from him otherwise it would be GZ who was shot.

 

[JayDubya]

Calling 911 does not make one a slave obliged to do what the call center person says.

:shrug:

 

[SheWolf]

The dispatcher saying "you don't have to do that" is not saying you may not follow to try to keep the suspect in view. IIRC, the dispatcher also said for Zimmerman to let them know if the suspect did anything else - which clearly involves keeping him in view.

Common sense would tell him not to follow. If he were actually afraid if Trayvon, he would have stayed in his car. He wanted to catch a bad guy and was afraid the cops wouldn't arrive in time.

 

[SheWolf]

And Trayvon gets a posthumous degree. What BS!

Zimmerman has be getting donations, support, and charity, and he has had his twitter account removed for posting photos of Trayvon's body and bragging about his role in the death. He is far from a classy guy who a lot of conservatives were willing to open their pocketbook for.

 

[SheWolf]

Calling 911 does not make one a slave obliged to do what the call center person says.

:shrug:

It makes George an idiot. Look at his life, and how all of this turned out for him. He should have stayed in the car.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Common sense would tell him not to follow. If he were actually afraid if Trayvon, he would have stayed in his car. He wanted to catch a bad guy and was afraid the cops wouldn't arrive in time.

You clearly do not understand the law, and that's just fine because the jury got it loud and clear.

 

[SheWolf]

You clearly do not understand the law, and that's just fine because the jury got it loud and clear.

I understand that the jury applied the law as written. I also know it's not illegal for Zimmerman to leave his car, but he is idiot for doing so. His actions also imply he wasn't afraid of Trayvon.

 

[American]

I should have pulled the transcript up first. The dispatcher was not direct. Thanks.

Dispatcher has zero police authority anyway.

 

[JayDubya]

It makes George an idiot. Look at his life, and how all of this turned out for him. He should have stayed in the car.

I think subsequent events and his attitudes and statements have confirmed he is pretty dumb, but that's not too relevant, really.

What is relevant is that Mr. Zimmerman has the liberty to walk on a street and talk to people on the street, that Mr. Martin engaged in assault, hitting his victim's head into the pavement, and that his victim was armed with a weapon and defended himself.

There should never have even been a trial.

 

[Thoreau72]

Calling 911 does not make one a slave obliged to do what the call center person says.

:shrug:

No, but being an "official Neighborhood Watch Person" suggests one might have a bit of an obligation to follow instructions of the authorities.

Poor George.....

 

[SheWolf]

I think subsequent events and his attitudes and statements have confirmed he is pretty dumb, but that's not too relevant, really.

What is relevant is that Mr. Zimmerman has the liberty to walk on a street and talk to people on the street, that Mr. Martin engaged in assault, hitting his victim's head into the pavement, and that his victim was armed with a weapon and defended himself.

There should never have even been a trial.

Trayvon also had the liberty to walk down the street, and that was all he was doing. Zimmernan did not see him commit a crime. Zimmerman had no reason to call him a ****ing punk and condemn his character before getting out of the car. All of that is proof of how stupid Zimmerman is. If he had common sense, he would stayed in the car.

 

[JayDubya]

Trayvon also had the liberty to walk down the street, and that was all he was doing. Zimmernan did not see him commit a crime. Zimmerman had no reason to call him a ****ing punk and condemn his character before getting out of the car. All of that is proof of how stupid Zimmerman is. If he had common sense, he would stayed in the car.

Blah blah blah.

None of that justifies the assault.

Once assaulted, Zimmerman had the right to defend himself.

Martin was stupid and legally / morally in the wrong to attack Zimmerman. He died. :shrug:

 

[Mr Person]

Ever since this story first broke I have had a burning question. What I remember hearing was that GZ called 911 and the police dispatcher told him not to pursue 'the subject'. There were other parts to the story and if I am mistaken please correct me. My question has to do with the authority of the police dispatcher. I would think that there would be a trained/evaluated person on the other end of the 911 hotline. Why wouldn't their direction carry LEO authority. I would think that if a police dispatcher told Zimmerman not to pursue the subject and he failed to heed that there would be ramifications, legally. By the way GZ, a real classy individual!

It's not illegal to follow someone in public like that. I mean, it's not at the level of stalking. It's someone he saw on the street.

 

[SheWolf]

Blah blah blah.

None of that justifies the assault.

Once assaulted, Zimmerman had the right to defend himself.

Martin was stupid and legally / morally in the wrong to attack Zimmerman. He died. :shrug:

Why do you believe everything Zimmerman claims as fact? Do you also believe he never committed domestic violence, and, in fact, he is the real victim? He is the real victim all the time. Seriously, why do you believe him?

 

[JayDubya]

Why do you believe everything Zimmerman claims as fact? Do you also believe he never committed domestic violence, and, in fact, he is the real victim? He is the real victim all the time. Seriously, why do you believe him?

Now you're referring to the established facts of a frivolous criminal case and trial as though they were heresay.

 

[Goshin]

:inandout:

 

[SheWolf]

Now you're referring to the established facts of a frivolous criminal case and trial as though they were heresay.

They are not established facts. They are Zimmerman's claims. All we know is there was a fight. We don't know who touched who first. We don't know Trayvon tried to grab a gun, etc. Those ste Zimmerman's claims. You have decided to hands down believe a guy like Zimmerman.