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Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman Revisited

RetiredUSN said:
Here' is another assumption........

Zimmerman could have just as well been any person running to his house while yacking on his cell phone because he forgot his keys, or didn't want to miss seeing something on TV.
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The whole thing was easily unavoidable. No one made Zimmerman pursue this guy but Zimmerman.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
The whole thing was easily unavoidable. No one made Zimmerman pursue this guy but Zimmerman.
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But you still have no idea when it comes right down to the intentions of either person in this case, and you made your own opinion based on your own assumptions. Martin could just as well have been wanting a confrontation.

All are assumptions.
 
RetiredUSN said:
But you still have no idea when it comes right down to the intentions of either person in this case, and you made your own opinion based on your own assumptions. Martin could just as well have been wanting a confrontation.

All are assumptions.
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No, it starts at the beginning. None of this would have happened if Zimmerman did not pursue.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
No, it starts at the beginning. None of this would have happened if Zimmerman did not pursue.
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Pursued, then stopped immediately after the dispatch told him that he didn't need to be doing that?

What happened then?

How far away from each other were they after Zimmerman stopped............ 10'-50'-100'-200'-300' ???????????????

Could it also be that Trayvon feel like a badass and decide to go back to Zimmerman for a little MMA practice, or did "fat Georgie" decide to magically outrun a scared & athletically superior young man and tackle him.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Pursued, then stopped immediately after the dispatch told him that he didn't need to be doing that?

What happened then?

How far away from each other were they after Zimmerman stopped............ 10'-50'-100'-200'-300' ???????????????

Could it also be that Trayvon feel like a badass and decide to go back to Zimmerman for a little MMA practice, or did "fat Georgie" decide to magically outrun a scared & athletically superior young man and tackle him.
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Doesn't matter because he already pursued. Whole point of my post.
 
There is a real danger in allowing people to start a confrontation and then giving them the green light to kill if things don't go their way.

Wow, it came full circle.
 
americanwoman said:
2 new Zimmerman threads. Somewhere, someone's ear is buzzing. in and out before they come. :lamo
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I think it's safe to say such threads will come up every year, for decades. Look at the CT thread for 911...
 
Mario said:
And Trayvon gets a posthumous degree. What BS!
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Not necessarily.

The left doesn't realize what that will change for them in history. They will no longer be able to play him as a child, as the future's history see a HS graduate. A HS graduate is not a child.
 
SheWolf said:
Trayvon also had the liberty to walk down the street, and that was all he was doing. Zimmernan did not see him commit a crime. Zimmerman had no reason to call him a ****ing punk and condemn his character before getting out of the car. All of that is proof of how stupid Zimmerman is. If he had common sense, he would stayed in the car.
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No, there was reason. There have been several recent break-ins in the gated community. Trayvon didn't live there, but was a recent visitor. That's why you keep an eye on strangers.
 
Mario said:
And Trayvon gets a posthumous degree. What BS!
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Now that he has a degree, and aeronautical engineering at that, Trayvon can probably get a high paying job and become a productive member of society.
 
SheWolf said:
They are not established facts. They are Zimmerman's claims. All we know is there was a fight. We don't know who touched who first. We don't know Trayvon tried to grab a gun, etc. Those ste Zimmerman's claims. You have decided to hands down believe a guy like Zimmerman.
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Is it right to destroy a mans life with these ongoing allegations when the facts are not known? Look at what everyone is doing to Zimmerman is he is completely innocent, and was defending himself.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Is it right to destroy a mans life with these ongoing allegations when the facts are not known? Look at what everyone is doing to Zimmerman is he is completely innocent, and was defending himself.
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Zimmerman got away with cold-blooded murder, and of course he's not the only one. The facts are known: he shot an innocent young man armed only with Skittles, and for that is a hero to many americans.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Zimmerman got away with cold-blooded murder, and of course he's not the only one. The facts are known: he shot an innocent young man armed only with Skittles, and for that is a hero to many americans.
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Sorry, a man is innocent until proven guilty for a reason in this country. It is correct to say Zimmerman could guilty of murder. The problem is, he may have acted completely legal in self defense as well.

If you have evidence that the prosecution didn't have, then I must ask...

Why did you withhold evidence?
 
Thoreau72 said:
Zimmerman got away with cold-blooded murder, and of course he's not the only one. The facts are known: he shot an innocent young man armed only with Skittles, and for that is a hero to many americans.
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Yeah - you're skipping some important details there.
 
SheWolf said:
They are not established facts. They are Zimmerman's claims. All we know is there was a fight. We don't know who touched who first. We don't know Trayvon tried to grab a gun, etc. Those ste Zimmerman's claims. You have decided to hands down believe a guy like Zimmerman.
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All of that is correct --- and it doesn't change that the jury made the right decision. They couldn't say "guilty of second degree murder" because it might not have happened in the way he said. All of the evidence supported Zimmerman's story.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Zimmerman got away with cold-blooded murder, and of course he's not the only one. The facts are known: he shot an innocent young man armed only with Skittles, and for that is a hero to many americans.
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Martin ceased being innocent when he was atop Zimmerman and bouncing his head on the pavement. Had the shot been fired without that "innocence" then the jury would likely have agreed with you.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Zimmerman got away with cold-blooded murder, and of course he's not the only one. The facts are known: he shot an innocent young man armed only with Skittles, and for that is a hero to many americans.
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A couple investigations and a jury trial all disagree with you.

Fact is this incident was an over, done, and put to bed issue until the race baiters including the then President became involved based solely on the fact that one of the parties involved was a black person. Millions of dollars and more divisiveness later the conclusion by a jury was that the first decisions were correct.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Sorry, a man is innocent until proven guilty for a reason in this country. It is correct to say Zimmerman could guilty of murder. The problem is, he may have acted completely legal in self defense as well.

If you have evidence that the prosecution didn't have, then I must ask...

Why did you withhold evidence?
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I'm sure you apply the same standard of innocent until proved guilty to men like Assange and Snowden, or Bush and Cheney and Obama, but I digress.

There are 2 courts of course, the one in which the trial takes place with any attendant secrecy imposed by the court, and then there is the court of public opinion. Zimmerman's style of vigilante "justice" is greatly supported in this country, as you demonstrate.
 
jimbo said:
A couple investigations and a jury trial all disagree with you.

Fact is this incident was an over, done, and put to bed issue until the race baiters including the then President became involved based solely on the fact that one of the parties involved was a black person. Millions of dollars and more divisiveness later the conclusion by a jury was that the first decisions were correct.
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I am a huge advocate for the independent and well-informed jury, but I also understand there is the exact opposite of an independent and well-informed jury, and the latter may very well be more common than the former in this country. The jury in this case simply favored vigilante justice. It will certainly happen again, somewhere. We are only human.
 
Thoreau72 said:
I am a huge advocate for the independent and well-informed jury, but I also understand there is the exact opposite of an independent and well-informed jury, and the latter may very well be more common than the former in this country. The jury in this case simply favored vigilante justice. It will certainly happen again, somewhere. We are only human.
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I wasn't at the trial nor was I present during any of the investigations., so I have no actual details. But the fact is that this case was investigated many times over a couple years and the only ones that found Zimmerman guilty were the race baiters.

Your opinion that the jury favored vigilante justice is completely unfounded and based on facts not in evidence.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
The whole thing was easily unavoidable. No one made Zimmerman pursue this guy but Zimmerman.
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Your narrative is off.
Pursuit entails the intent to "overtake, capture, kill, or defeat". Or in another definition, "attack".
That is not what Zimmerman engaged in.
He simply followed to point out the suspicious person to the police when they arrived.

But according to the evidence, Trayvon returned to the area and approached, confronted Zimmerman and then attacked. That would entail pursuit.


Definition of pursue
pursued; pursuing

transitive verb

1 : to follow in order to overtake, capture, kill, or defeat

2 : to find or employ measures to obtain or accomplish : seek
  • pursue a goal
3 : to proceed along
  • pursues a northern course
4 a : to engage in pursue a hobby
   b : to follow up or proceed with pursue an argument

5 :to continue to afflict : haunt
  • was pursued by horrible memories
6 :2chase 1c
  • pursued by dozens of fans
Pursue | Merriam-Webster​
 
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jimbo said:
I wasn't at the trial nor was I present during any of the investigations., so I have no actual details. But the fact is that this case was investigated many times over a couple years and the only ones that found Zimmerman guilty were the race baiters.

Your opinion that the jury favored vigilante justice is completely unfounded and based on facts not in evidence.
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No, the fact is the jury acquitted George. True, I can only speculate as to what happened during deliberations, but the final result is that however they rationalized it, the jury condoned and approved vigilante justice and the killing of an innocent and unarmed man.
 
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