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Crappy Cops: It's That Time Again.

Bodi

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WillyPete said:
Seems like the officer was clearly out of line, but the subject could also have defused the situation.
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I am not sure how. In hindsight we can see maybe a better way but in real time he was calm, professional and accommodating... something that the cop wasn't.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I am not sure how. In hindsight we can see maybe a better way but in real time he was calm, professional and accommodating... something that the cop wasn't.
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I'd never be a police officer. I can only imagine how exhausting it must be to listen to people's endless monologues about why they don't need to pay attention to what the officer is saying.

It certainly doesn't justify the officer's behavior, but if the guy had gotten out of the vehicle when the officer asked him to he would have had a much safer day.

The officer should also have repeated that order far earlier in the conversation.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I am not sure how. In hindsight we can see maybe a better way but in real time he was calm, professional and accommodating... something that the cop wasn't.
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For starters, "How can I help you, officer?" is more likely to get desirable results than "Please holster your weapon" is. The guy also knew something was going on because he started recording before the cop even got to the window.

Besides all that, the time stamp is 3 years ago.
 
Somebody better learn how to behave.



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WillyPete said:
I'd never be a police officer. I can only imagine how exhausting it must be to listen to people's endless monologues about why they don't need to pay attention to what the officer is saying.

It certainly doesn't justify the officers behavior, but if the guy had gotten out of the vehicle when the officer asked him to he would have had a much safer day.

The officer should also have repeated that order far earlier in the conversation.
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It wasn't clear, unless I missed it, that the officer ever gave an order to exist the car.

That said, I always follow a cops orders/requests. I have never heard one that was unreasonable and if they want to stop me and ask me some stupid questions or even hinder my day I don't act like a dick and talk about Nazi Germany... I just answer their questions. They are not compiling data for the NSA. They will ask some questions, I will answer and I will be on my way.
 
Lutherf said:
For starters, "How can I help you, officer?" is more likely to get desirable results than "Please holster your weapon" is. The guy also knew something was going on because he started recording before the cop even got to the window.

Besides all that, the time stamp is 3 years ago.
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I turn on my recorder instantly as well... who wouldn't now days... or three years ago? I also tell my kids to record it...

That said, I have not been pulled over in at least twenty years.
 
Bodhisattva said:
It wasn't clear, unless I missed it, that the officer ever gave an order to exist the car.

That said, I always follow a cops orders/requests. I have never heard one that was unreasonable and if they want to stop me and ask me some stupid questions or even hinder my day I don't act like a dick and talk about Nazi Germany... I just answer their questions. They are not compiling data for the NSA. They will ask some questions, I will answer and I will be on my way.
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The officer asked him to get out.

He refused.

All bets are off after that failure to obey.

That's just the way it works in the real world where cops get shot daily.

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Bodhisattva said:
I am not sure how. In hindsight we can see maybe a better way but in real time he was calm, professional and accommodating... something that the cop wasn't.
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He was clam but he escalated the situation by being a jerk and refusing to comply with the officer. He could have literally just said that he was a PI working a case and shown him his license and the whole thing would have been over in 5 seconds.
 
Vox said:
The officer asked him to get out.

He refused.

All bets are off after that failure to obey.

That's just the way it works in the real world where cops get shot daily.

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Yeah, at 32 seconds he does ask him to step out. I over looked that . Dude should have just gotten out.
 
Crovax said:
He was clam but he escalated the situation by being a jerk and refusing to comply with the officer. He could have literally just said that he was a PI working a case and shown him his license and the whole thing would have been over in 5 seconds.
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Yes... BUT... the cop took it to a whole other lever way to frickin fast and for no valid reason. Dude should be fired.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Yes... BUT... the cop took it to a whole other lever way to frickin fast and for no valid reason. Dude should be fired.
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What you ignore is the fact that an officer with a man in a car refusing to get out may have a gun within reach within that car.

Hostile and uncooperative man, possible gun.

Yes, You ARE justified in pointing your gun at his head at that point.

As I said, if he's in the car and refusing to get out it's an indication he may have a weapon........and cops have died in that situation.

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Vox said:
What you ignore is the fact that an officer with a man in a car refusing to get out may have a gun within reach within that car.

Hostile and uncooperative man, possible gun.

Yes, You ARE justified in pointing your gun at his head at that point.

As I said, if he's in the car and refusing to get out it's an indication he may have a weapon........and cops have died in that situation.

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I disagree... the guy was uncooperative but the cop was a petrified rookie that needs firing or at the very least retraining.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I disagree... the guy was uncooperative but the cop was a petrified rookie that needs firing or at the very least retraining.
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He was a correctly cautious good cop.

Cops get shot in that situation every day.

The uncooperative motorist will get a ticket for failure to obey.

Move on, folks......nothing to see here.

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Vox said:
He was a correctly cautious good cop.

Cops get shot in that situation every day.

The uncooperative motorist will get a ticket for failure to obey.

Move on, folks......nothing to see here.

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Nope. The cop over reacted.
 
I don't understand the total lack of respect that so many people seem to have for police officers. If you know that cops have guns and sometimes they go beyond the boundaries of why they should, why don't you just do what the guy tells you? At the end of the day, you're recording it so if you get out of vehicle or tell the cop what you are doing sitting in a car probably watching people, you most likely will have a much better time than basically telling the cop to **** off and that you aren't gonna listen to his orders. The guy obviously wanted to antagonize the officer with his taunting about a prior run in he had and then he refuses to get out of the vehicle. You would be cautious too if you were an officer who had to do this daily not knowing what kind of lunatic you just went up to.
 
ajn678 said:
I don't understand the total lack of respect that so many people seem to have for police officers. If you know that cops have guns and sometimes they go beyond the boundaries of why they should, why don't you just do what the guy tells you? At the end of the day, you're recording it so if you get out of vehicle or tell the cop what you are doing sitting in a car probably watching people, you most likely will have a much better time than basically telling the cop to **** off and that you aren't gonna listen to his orders. The guy obviously wanted to antagonize the officer with his taunting about a prior run in he had and then he refuses to get out of the vehicle. You would be cautious too if you were an officer who had to do this daily not knowing what kind of lunatic you just went up to.
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There are valid situations to question a cop, even on scene. The guy was perfectly with in his rights to ask why and perfectly within his rights to refuse to answer questions.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Yeah, at 32 seconds he does ask him to step out. I over looked that . Dude should have just gotten out.
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The video is three years old and the black guy is an asshole.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Because cops have guns still...
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:confused: So? So do millions of other people that aren't cops. Are you wanting to disarm all the police in a society that has over 300 million guns in it? I'm hoping you have a different point?
 
It would be nice to know the complete story. Why did the officer stop in the first place.
The guy in the car seemed to me to be looking for trouble. If he had complied with simple
requests the whole thing would have been over in a few minutes.

Police officers across the nation conduct hundreds of thousands citizens contacts every year.
And the vast majority are uneventful. Business taken care of and everyone goes on their way.
 
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