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Rivers are Now People

soylentgreen said:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/police-violence-against-native-americans-goes-far-beyond-standing-rock/


yes, how civilized are you. When your indigenous get a bit uppity you just send the police out to kill them.
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While the Maori's in New Zealand have been treated just as badly in every fashion.

The Maori's are right on par with American blacks when it comes to social injustices at the hands of New Zealanders of European descent.

I cannot wrap my mind around the hypocrisy in your posts.
 
RetiredUSN said:
While the Maori's in New Zealand have been treated just as badly in every fashion.

The Maori's are right on par with American blacks when it comes to social injustices at the hands of New Zealanders of European descent.

I cannot wrap my mind around the hypocrisy in your posts.
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Clinging to their river demon(Or whatever) does not impress me as a way to get up in the world.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Human existence is a collaboration.

I am collaborating.

I am also arguing that reverse is a bad idea,
if we say yes to this then sooner or later we are going to have to say yes to witches too..
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I OBJECT!
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If you don't like any ideas all that you have to do is ignore them.



"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Slippery slopes exist, it is those people who think they are fallacy who are in for a shock one day.

PLEASE come up with SOMETHING.

I'M BORED!
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Yes they do exist and are usually a sign that the person using them is not one capable of an intelligent and reasoned thought. .

And you are bored now besides not caring about the thread you decided to start in the first place. The one where you have failed to demonstrate anything more than a personal opinion about something that you have shown you know nothing about. You have no clue as to what the relationship is between the maori and the land both legally and spiritually. You have no idea of the treaty and how the government is obliged by it. You have no right to even hold an opinion let alone start a thread on what happens in a country you probably could not even find on a map.
 
RetiredUSN said:
While the Maori's in New Zealand have been treated just as badly in every fashion.

The Maori's are right on par with American blacks when it comes to social injustices at the hands of New Zealanders of European descent.

I cannot wrap my mind around the hypocrisy in your posts.
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No that is not true at all. Your blacks have no treaty with the american government. Nor does the new zealand government have a history of reneging on treaties as the american government does.

While there will never be any compensation to the native who have lost land or had the sacred values of their land completely ignored and dismissed in order to further the profits of business. The maori have had great success in getting the treaty upheld and getting recompense for present injustice such as the pollution of the rivers or the past wars with the colonialist army.

Your is simply a superficial look at a few negative effects of colonialism while ignoring or most probably not bothering to educate yourself on the many positive things maori have and are doing for the survival of a maori nation.
 
soylentgreen said:
You could not display your ignorance any better. It is the governments job to act by the treaty. Something you have an ignorance of.
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Most of your post can be boiled down to this simple line. Blah blah I'm ignorant of treaty and culture blah blah.

Again, Don't Care about either. Maybe one of these days that will sink into your head.

soylentgreen said:
Who are given a state of person hood.
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Sorry, you can't GIVE people person hood. They're already persons. The very phrase "person hood" is about people. It's why you can't give it to any thing either. Unless of course you're completely ignorant or stupid of science.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Most of your post can be boiled down to this simple line. Blah blah I'm ignorant of treaty and culture blah blah.
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Yes, it does boil down to that. You are completely clueless. Therefor you have no right to speak of that which you profess ignorance of.

Again, Don't Care about either. Maybe one of these days that will sink into your head.
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Then you have absolutely nothing of worth to say on the subject that new zealand has given a river person hood. Which is what this thread is about.

Sorry, you can't GIVE people person hood. They're already persons. The very phrase "person hood" is about people.
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As I have already given a link that quite clearly states that there is in fact legal precedence and the term person hood can be used by things rather than just people then your opinion is worthless
It's why you can't give it to any thing either. Unless of course you're completely ignorant or stupid of science.
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Your rather pathetic obsession with science only informs me of just why and how limited your thinking is. So obsessed with the science of roses that you have no clue how to stop and smell the roses.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Clinging to their river demon(Or whatever) does not impress me as a way to get up in the world.
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Clinging to your ignorance despite been given information that contradicts it also not the way to get up in the world. Next time you decide to start a thread on my or any country other than your own . Try to educate yourself about that country. Then you just might manage to say something worth hearing.
 
soylentgreen said:
No that is not true at all. Your blacks have no treaty with the american government. Nor does the new zealand government have a history of reneging on treaties as the american government does.

While there will never be any compensation to the native who have lost land or had the sacred values of their land completely ignored and dismissed in order to further the profits of business. The maori have had great success in getting the treaty upheld and getting recompense for present injustice such as the pollution of the rivers or the past wars with the colonialist army.

Your is simply a superficial look at a few negative effects of colonialism while ignoring or most probably not bothering to educate yourself on the many positive things maori have and are doing for the survival of a maori nation.
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Blacks don't need a treaty, as they have the backing of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Europe bludgeoned the Maori's, and made them a 3rd world society, and they have been struggling ever since with no guarantees that can come even to close blacks of today in America.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Blacks don't need a treaty, as they have the backing of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Europe bludgeoned the Maori's, and made them a 3rd world society, and they have been struggling ever since with no guarantees that can come even to close blacks of today in America.
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Seriously, there are more advanced civilization ways to deal with pollution then deeming one of the Old Gods a legal person....

I do wish NZ had discovered one of them.
 
soylentgreen said:
Clinging to your ignorance despite been given information that contradicts it also not the way to get up in the world. Next time you decide to start a thread on my or any country other than your own . Try to educate yourself about that country. Then you just might manage to say something worth hearing.
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Given all the quotes I have from you this morning clearly I have.
 
soylentgreen said:
Yes they do exist and are usually a sign that the person using them is not one capable of an intelligent and reasoned thought. .

And you are bored now besides not caring about the thread you decided to start in the first place. The one where you have failed to demonstrate anything more than a personal opinion about something that you have shown you know nothing about. You have no clue as to what the relationship is between the maori and the land both legally and spiritually. You have no idea of the treaty and how the government is obliged by it. You have no right to even hold an opinion let alone start a thread on what happens in a country you probably could not even find on a map.
Bolded By Hawkeye
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Why Oh Why do you feel the need to keep talking about me?

There is a thread topic, that is what I am here to talk about.

I know all about me, that subject is boring.

You know what to do.
 
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shrubnose said:
If you don't like any ideas all that you have to do is ignore them.



"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers
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Bad ideas need to be killed.

Surely you know this...
 
RetiredUSN said:
Blacks don't need a treaty, as they have the backing of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Europe bludgeoned the Maori's, and made them a 3rd world society, and they have been struggling ever since with no guarantees that can come even to close blacks of today in America.
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Maori's do not need a constitution they have a treaty.

What bull**** you speak. Maori are doing quite well in regaining their mana.
https://www.msd.govt.nz/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-resources/journals-and-magazines/social-policy-journal/spj12/12-review-te-mana-te-kawantaga-the-politics-of-self-determination-mason-durie.html
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Why Oh Why do you feel the need to keep talking about me?

There is a thread topic, that is what I am here to talk about.

I know all about me, that subject is boring.

You know what to do.
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Clearly you are talking about those who disagree with you in your next post. Such hypocrisy in making jibes like "Clearly the adults have been too slow to show up to the conversation," and then complaining that others talk about you.

The subject bores you but you made a thread about it and then keep coming back to it. Your telling these kind of obvious lies is amusing. It is not boredom you have but a complete inability to do anything more than give a worthless opinion that tells only uneducated you are on the subject of what happens in my country.

Yes, i know what to do and that is laugh at your pitiful efforts.
 
soylentgreen said:
Clearly you are talking about those who disagree with you in your next post. Such hypocrisy in making jibes like "Clearly the adults have been too slow to show up to the conversation," and then complaining that others talk about you.

The subject bores you but you made a thread about it and then keep coming back to it. Your telling these kind of obvious lies is amusing. It is not boredom you have but a complete inability to do anything more than give a worthless opinion that tells only uneducated you are on the subject of what happens in my country.

Yes, i know what to do and that is laugh at your pitiful efforts.
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evasion
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Given all the quotes I have from you this morning clearly I have.
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Not at all do not give yourself airs that you clearly do not deserve. I answer back to you because you really do need to know your completely out of your depth.
 
soylentgreen said:
Not at all do not give yourself airs that you clearly do not deserve. I answer back to you because you really do need to know your completely out of your depth.
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Then man up and enter into the debate, then we can find out who has a better grasp of the better ways to do things.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
evasion
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Another pathetic response. This is no longer about what happens in nz it is about your trying a pathetic attempt at one--upmanship. You have made it clear that you know nothing about the culture or politics of my country all you have left is sad ability to sneer and pretend victory.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Then man up and enter into the debate, then we can find out who has a better grasp of the better ways to do things.
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I have i put information out there which you ignore because it would take effort for you to understand. Clearly you lack the ability to educate yourself.
 
soylentgreen said:
Another pathetic response. This is no longer about what happens in nz it is about your trying a pathetic attempt at one--upmanship. You have made it clear that you know nothing about the culture or politics of my country all you have left is sad ability to sneer and pretend victory.
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We have not conducted the combat of ideas yet, you have no clue what I do and dont know, that's what the fight is for.
 
soylentgreen said:
I have i put information out there which you ignore because it would take effort for you to understand. Clearly you lack the ability to educate yourself.
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You have been highly defensive and derogatory from the jump, which tells me you figure you would for sure lose in a fair fight.

Clearly I am not going to get any fight out of you.

SHAME
 
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