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Can People Shoot ICE Agents?

Vox said:
So........you have a gun every time you answer your door?

Tough neighborhood, huh?

:shoot:shoot:shoot
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:lol:
 
Hey, what happened to the "like" button?

Did, ICE already infiltrate this thread?
 
calamity said:
After reading this article, it does leave me wondering. If an ICE agent comes to your home and demands some crap or other, can a citizen tell them to **** off? And, if the bastard kicks in your door, can we blow the ****ers away?

Immigration debate: Should ICE officers identify themselves as police? - CNN.com

The question is....exactly what authority do these people have over us who are citizens. What if I, as a citizen, harbor an immigrant or, say, am married to one. Do my rights as a citizen supersede those of the ICE Agent doing his job to hunt immigrants. Can I kill him if he touches my wife in my home?
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Really? You have to ask for an answer?

18 U.S. Code § 1114 - Protection of officers and employees of the United States

Whoever kills or attempts to kill any officer or employee of the United States or of any agency in any branch of the United States Government (including any member of the uniformed services) while such officer or employee is engaged in or on account of the performance of official duties, or any person assisting such an officer or employee in the performance of such duties or on account of that assistance, shall be punished—
(1) in the case of murder, as provided under section 1111;
(2) in the case of manslaughter, as provided under section 1112; or
(3) in the case of attempted murder or manslaughter, as provided in section 1113.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1114
 
calamity said:
After reading this article, it does leave me wondering. If an ICE agent comes to your home and demands some crap or other, can a citizen tell them to **** off? And, if the bastard kicks in your door, can we blow the ****ers away?

Immigration debate: Should ICE officers identify themselves as police? - CNN.com

The question is....exactly what authority do these people have over us who are citizens. What if I, as a citizen, harbor an immigrant or, say, am married to one. Do my rights as a citizen supersede those of the ICE Agent doing his job to hunt immigrants. Can I kill him if he touches my wife in my home?
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Can you shoot other law enforcement agents who arrest someone in your family?
 
jamesrage said:
Can you shoot other law enforcement agents who arrest someone in your family?
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ICE is not a legit police force though. They only have jurisdiction over non-citizens. If I'm a citizen, they can kiss my ass.
 
calamity said:
Without Warrants, Immigration Agents Often Pose As Police Officers : NPR

:roll:
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They are law enforcement...

From your first link:

Rodriguez, the ICE spokeswoman, says the term "police" is accurate and there's nothing misleading about using it.
"It's clear that we are a law enforcement agency," she said. "We have police authority."

From your second link:

Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers have a lot of different ways to find and arrest immigrants who are in the U.S. illegally. ICE officers can't enter someone's residence without a warrant, but they often don't have a warrant when they're out trying to detain someone. So one common strategy they use is to describe themselves as police officers to get people to let them in the door or tell them where a person of interest is. And it works.

For the most part, it's legal. But critics say the practice interferes with the efforts of local police departments to build trust with immigrant communities.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Really? You have to ask for an answer?

18 U.S. Code § 1114 - Protection of officers and employees of the United States

Whoever kills or attempts to kill any officer or employee of the United States or of any agency in any branch of the United States Government (including any member of the uniformed services) while such officer or employee is engaged in or on account of the performance of official duties, or any person assisting such an officer or employee in the performance of such duties or on account of that assistance, shall be punished—
(1) in the case of murder, as provided under section 1111;
(2) in the case of manslaughter, as provided under section 1112; or
(3) in the case of attempted murder or manslaughter, as provided in section 1113.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1114
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False. If the LEO enters your home without a warrant, you can shoot them. Ask the survivors of the David Karesh crew who shot at the ATF agents. They were all acquitted...the ones who lived.
 
calamity said:
Yeah, but when the real cops come to get the bank robber--assume my wife robbed a bank and there is a warrant for her arrest---they have a court order to enter my home and drag her off. ICE is not operating this way, from what I have read so far.
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First of all, ICE Agents are real cops. So it is not like they are entering under false pretense. Second, cops don't need a warrant if they are invited in.

Again, there is nothing in the article that says ICE is acting improperly. It only refers to one incident. One incident does not mean all ICE agents at every event.
 
Every ABC agency in our government has an armed policing force.

Doesn't matter whether they have a warrant or not. If you lift a weapon of any sort against them, they will treat you like the paper target at their prospective range.

I would suggest answering the door and being very polite.
 
natsb said:
First of all, ICE Agents are real cops. So it is not like they are entering under false pretense. Second, cops don't need a warrant if they are invited in.

Again, there is nothing in the article that says ICE is acting improperly. It only refers to one incident. One incident does not mean all ICE agents at every event.
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Yeah. I agree you can tell them to go fly a kite and deny them entry, legally. My question is, What can you do, legally, if they force their way into your home after you tell them to **** off?
 
WCH said:
Every ABC agency in our government has an armed policing force.

Doesn't matter whether they have a warrant or not. If you lift a weapon of any sort against them, they will treat you like the paper target at their prospective range.

I would suggest answering the door and being very polite.
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Probably the best advice. But, it leaves little to debate over, :)
 
calamity said:
False. If the LEO enters your home without a warrant, you can shoot them. Ask the survivors of the David Karesh crew who shot at the ATF agents. They were all acquitted...the ones who lived.
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The jury acquitted all of the Branch Davidians on the murder-related charges, but convicted five of them on lesser charges, including aiding and abetting the voluntary manslaughter of federal agents.

No, just no.
 
calamity said:
Yeah, but at what point does my right to defend my castle end? Clearly if some stranger came to my home and tried to drag off my wife, I would be in the right to kill him. Are ICE agents somehow immune to this? It seems this is not clear, based on what I read in the article.
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Why would you think you can't legally shoot an ICE or and LEO who was kidnapping your wife (and not just arresting her).
 
Fledermaus said:
I did.

Where did they state "ICE is not a legit police force".

I may have missed it.
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I guess the sentence, "When ICE officers call themselves "police," they claim, it's misleading," confuses you. Eh?
 
Cigar said:
Without a Warrant they do not have the right to, but is it worth being Dead Right?

If someone kicks my Door down, God Bless the first Guy in ... but I don't know what I'd be able to do against the trailers.
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That's actually one of the reasons why "no knock" warrants are a dumbass idea. There've been a number of cases where the warrant has been executed on the wrong property and the homeowner shot an LEO not realizing it was the police.
 
Gaius46 said:
Why would you think you can't legally shoot an ICE or and LEO who was kidnapping your wife (and not just arresting her).
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Define "arresting her." In real life, a cop would show me a warrant for her arrest. Without one, I do not believe they fan force anyone to comply.
 
calamity said:
I guess the sentence, "When ICE officers call themselves "police," they claim, it's misleading," confuses you. Eh?
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I think the they claim confuses you.

From your first link:

Rodriguez, the ICE spokeswoman, says the term "police" is accurate and there's nothing misleading about using it.
"It's clear that we are a law enforcement agency," she said. "We have police authority."
 
Gaius46 said:
That's actually one of the reasons why "no knock" warrants are a dumbass idea. There've been a number of cases where the warrant has been executed on the wrong property and the homeowner shot an LEO not realizing it was the police.
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That isn't what is happening... ICE shows up and asks to enter.
 
Fledermaus said:
I think the they claim confuses you.

From your first link:

Rodriguez, the ICE spokeswoman, says the term "police" is accurate and there's nothing misleading about using it.
"It's clear that we are a law enforcement agency," she said. "We have police authority."
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I understand that you would accept ICE's claim. I do not. ICE can go **** themselves. As a citizen, they can kiss my ass. They have no authority over me, and i do not accept their claim that they are police.
 
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