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Arizona Bill to Crack Down on Rioters Could Be Used to Shut Down Protests

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radcen said:
Arizona Bill to Crack Down on Rioters Could Be Used to Shut Down Protests

Arizona Bill to Crack Down on Rioters Could Be Used to Shut Down Protests - Hit & Run : Reason.com

And another article on the same subject...

Plan a Protest, Lose Your House: Arizona Senate Passes SB 1142 Charging 'Provocateurs' With Racketeering

Plan a Protest, Lose Your House: Arizona Senate Passes SB 1142 Charging 'Provocateurs' With Racketeeing | Phoenix New Times
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while i think this is extreme, some kind of punishment needs to dealt out, like protesters in AZ who blocked roads and denied people their right to travel
 
Master PO said:
while i think this is extreme, some kind of punishment needs to dealt out, like protesters in AZ who blocked roads and denied people their right to travel
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Agree on both points. People who hinder and/or hurt others need to face some kind of punishment for their civil disobedience, but this is too extreme.
 
Man, the county commissioner and highway patrol, musta got a boatload of angry phone calls during Trump's campaign.
 
Master PO said:
while i think this is extreme, some kind of punishment needs to dealt out, like protesters in AZ who blocked roads and denied people their right to travel
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I agree. However, this law is going to give law enforcement leeway to penalize folks for just being there.
 
radcen said:
Arizona Bill to Crack Down on Rioters Could Be Used to Shut Down Protests

Arizona Bill to Crack Down on Rioters Could Be Used to Shut Down Protests - Hit & Run : Reason.com

And another article on the same subject...

Plan a Protest, Lose Your House: Arizona Senate Passes SB 1142 Charging 'Provocateurs' With Racketeering

Plan a Protest, Lose Your House: Arizona Senate Passes SB 1142 Charging 'Provocateurs' With Racketeeing | Phoenix New Times
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Not sure I am completely comfortable with this news account. The Phoenix New Times is a weekly tabloid distributed for free. The way the story is written, and the headline placed on it, raises the possibility of Fake News or at least characterizing the situation more extremely than it exists.

Other news accounts I am reading are more objective and plausible.

But absolutely those who obstruct traffic and businesses, who loot, burn, destroy, vandalize, commit assault and battery, and terrorize innocent citizens and cost taypayers millions to clean up after them deserve serious criminal charges. One person doing that would be convicted and thrown in the slammer for quite awhile. Certainly those organizing and paying for the events are equally culpable.

In our tea party rallies here, nobody got paid for participating and the organizers were extremely strict. No hateful signs. Do not block traffic or businesses. Don't damage anything and don't litter--pick up after ourselves. We always left an area cleaner than we found it. Peaceful demonstrations and protests are not destructive or dangerous or threatening.

Those that are destructive and/or dangerous and/or threatening have no place in our society and the law should be given every resource to first, discourage them, and if they insist, deal with them severely.
 
those who support crushing protests should remember that their "side" won't always be in charge. observe how the nuclear option is going for the Democrats if you doubt that.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Not sure I am completely comfortable with this news account. The Phoenix New Times is a weekly tabloid distributed for free. The way the story is written, and the headline placed on it, raises the possibility of Fake News or at least characterizing the situation more extremely than it exists.

Other news accounts I am reading are more objective and plausible.

But absolutely those who obstruct traffic and businesses, who loot, burn, destroy, vandalize, commit assault and battery, and terrorize innocent citizens and cost taypayers millions to clean up after them deserve serious criminal charges. One person doing that would be convicted and thrown in the slammer for quite awhile. Certainly those organizing and paying for the events are equally culpable.

In our tea party rallies here, nobody got paid for participating and the organizers were extremely strict. No hateful signs. Do not block traffic or businesses. Don't damage anything and don't litter--pick up after ourselves. We always left an area cleaner than we found it. Peaceful demonstrations and protests are not destructive or dangerous or threatening.

Those that are destructive and/or dangerous and/or threatening have no place in our society and the law should be given every resource to first, discourage them, and if they insist, deal with them severely.
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Here's the actual law.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/53leg/1r/bills/sb1142p.pdf?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000618

And another source.

Roberts: Arizona Senate votes to silence protests. No, really...
 
you have a right to protest.

You do not have a right to destroy someone else's property.

I see this running into 1st amendment issues though it is too arbitrary.
 
Helix said:
those who support crushing protests should remember that their "side" won't always be in charge. observe how the nuclear option is going for the Democrats if you doubt that.
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why should people be allowed to destroy other peoples private property?
you can protest all you want. you are not allowed to destroy other peoples things.
 
ludin said:
why should people be allowed to destroy other peoples private property?
you can protest all you want. you are not allowed to destroy other peoples things.
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did you read the article?

answer : no, you didn't read the article.
 
Master PO said:
how about you lose you drivers license for a year if you engage in unlawful behavior while protesting.
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A year, you dont even loose it for a year on a DUI lol. Some of you need a reality check.
 
azgreg said:
I agree. However, this law is going to give law enforcement leeway to penalize folks for just being there.
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That's the rub. If you're going to stage a protest that involves parading down a street, get a permit. However, I lived in the DC area for many years and unknowingly ran into more than a few protests. I sometimes had no initial idea what it was about.
 
yankintx said:
A year, you dont even loose it for a year on a DUI lol. Some of you need a reality check.
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guy, nothing is set in store here.

but if you wish to get technical

those AZ protesters blocked peoples RIGHT to travel, so they violated rights.
 
Master PO said:
guy, nothing is set in store here.

but if you wish to get technical

those AZ protesters blocked peoples RIGHT to travel, so they violated rights.
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And its worthy of a years suspension lol. Get real
 
Helix said:
did you read the article?

answer : no, you didn't read the article.
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so once again you can't address what was said.

notihng stops people from protesting. however it increase the punishment for people that want to
destroy private property

you evidently didn't read the article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...in-at-least-17-states/?utm_term=.fb59573b1358


none of the bills have been passed and most are stuck in committee's probably never going to make it out.
again you have a right to protest not destroy someone else's property.

nor do you have the right to block road ways.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Not sure I am completely comfortable with this news account. The Phoenix New Times is a weekly tabloid distributed for free. The way the story is written, and the headline placed on it, raises the possibility of Fake News or at least characterizing the situation more extremely than it exists.

Other news accounts I am reading are more objective and plausible.

But absolutely those who obstruct traffic and businesses, who loot, burn, destroy, vandalize, commit assault and battery, and terrorize innocent citizens and cost taypayers millions to clean up after them deserve serious criminal charges. One person doing that would be convicted and thrown in the slammer for quite awhile. Certainly those organizing and paying for the events are equally culpable.

In our tea party rallies here, nobody got paid for participating and the organizers were extremely strict. No hateful signs. Do not block traffic or businesses. Don't damage anything and don't litter--pick up after ourselves. We always left an area cleaner than we found it. Peaceful demonstrations and protests are not destructive or dangerous or threatening.

Those that are destructive and/or dangerous and/or threatening have no place in our society and the law should be given every resource to first, discourage them, and if they insist, deal with them severely.
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You can read the text of the Bill here - https://legiscan.com/AZ/text/SB1142/2017
It amends a current statute. The changes are shown in blue.

Basically, if you participate in a protest and the protest gets violent or disturbs the peace you can be charged with a 5th degree felony. It should serve as an incentive for protest participants to keep a sharp eye out for troublemakers.

The "right to protest" has been blown out of proportion in many parts of the country with roads being blocked, property being destroyed, looting and assaults. That's not peaceful assembly and should NEVER be treated as behavior protected by the First Amendment. Furthermore, those "peaceful protesters" who generally ignore the violent elements in their midst really need to start paying attention to who they are ignoring. If the Tea Party shouldn't ignore white supremacists who might show up at their events then the ***** Hat Club shouldn't ignore the Black Bloc crowd that shows up at their events.
 
yankintx said:
And its worthy of a years suspension lol. Get real
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dude, you really need to get in touch,

everyone has a right to travel, like a person has a right to free speech,

tell me, what do you do to a person who denied other people their rights?
 
Master PO said:
dude, you really need to get in touch,

everyone has a right to travel, like a person has a right to free speech,

tell me, what do you do to a person who denied other people their rights?
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Dude?

Im out of here
 
radcen said:
Arizona Bill to Crack Down on Rioters Could Be Used to Shut Down Protests

Arizona Bill to Crack Down on Rioters Could Be Used to Shut Down Protests - Hit & Run : Reason.com

And another article on the same subject...

Plan a Protest, Lose Your House: Arizona Senate Passes SB 1142 Charging 'Provocateurs' With Racketeering

Plan a Protest, Lose Your House: Arizona Senate Passes SB 1142 Charging 'Provocateurs' With Racketeeing | Phoenix New Times
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This kind of crap is being introduced in many states by republicans who fear the freedom of speech. It is absolutely disgusting. In AZ, the republicans are also trying to destroy the initiative process which allows people to get signatures to have new laws put up for the people to vote for, they are angry because the voters overwhelmingly voted to increase the minimum wage...and nearly voted to legalize marijuana. The guys behind this, Borelli and Kavanaugh are real thugs, and then you have 6000 year old earth Sylvia Allen...just crazy people. Kavanaugh said he wanted to be able to arrest rioters before they riot, you know...potential but not actual crime...like in Majority Report.

Of course, if McCain held a rally and someone there destroyed something....would McCain and his minions have their assets seized?:shock:
 
ludin said:
so once again you can't address what was said.

notihng stops people from protesting. however it increase the punishment for people that want to
destroy private property

you evidently didn't read the article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...in-at-least-17-states/?utm_term=.fb59573b1358


none of the bills have been passed and most are stuck in committee's probably never going to make it out.
again you have a right to protest not destroy someone else's property.

nor do you have the right to block road ways.
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By including rioting in racketeering laws, it actually permits police to arrest those who are planning events. And [Republican Sen. John] Kavanagh, a former police officer, said if there are organized groups, "I should certainly hope that our law enforcement people have some undercover people there.''
"Wouldn't you rather stop a riot before it starts?'' Kavanagh asked colleagues during debate. "Do you really want to wait until people are injuring each other, throwing Molotov cocktails, picking up barricades and smashing them through businesses in downtown Phoenix?''
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Arizona Bill to Crack Down on Rioters Could Be Used to Shut Down Protests - Hit & Run : Reason.com

The Arizona Senate passed a bill on Wednesday that would allow the government to seize the property of people who help plan a demonstration that turns violent.

If the bill becomes law, prosecutors could charge people and seize assets for conspiracy to riot even if the so-called conspirators didn't participate in any violence.
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Plan a Protest, Lose Your House: Arizona Senate Passes SB 1142 Charging 'Provocateurs' With Racketeeing | Phoenix New Times

FFS, man, even "right wing good, left wing bad" shouldn't make that supportable.
 
radcen said:
Arizona Bill to Crack Down on Rioters Could Be Used to Shut Down Protests

Arizona Bill to Crack Down on Rioters Could Be Used to Shut Down Protests - Hit & Run : Reason.com

And another article on the same subject...

Plan a Protest, Lose Your House: Arizona Senate Passes SB 1142 Charging 'Provocateurs' With Racketeering

Plan a Protest, Lose Your House: Arizona Senate Passes SB 1142 Charging 'Provocateurs' With Racketeeing | Phoenix New Times
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We will have to keep an eye on that. At this point in time my suspicion is that the opinion is more part of the hysteria we are seeing.
 
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