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Arizona Bill to Crack Down on Rioters Could Be Used to Shut Down Protests

Protest legally to your hearts content. Organize and participate in illegal protests...employ RICO and throw those pathetic ****s in prison for 10-15 years.
 
This kind of crap is being introduced in many states by republicans who fear the freedom of speech. It is absolutely disgusting. In AZ, the republicans are also trying to destroy the initiative process which allows people to get signatures to have new laws put up for the people to vote for, they are angry because the voters overwhelmingly voted to increase the minimum wage...and nearly voted to legalize marijuana. The guys behind this, Borelli and Kavanaugh are real thugs, and then you have 6000 year old earth Sylvia Allen...just crazy people. Kavanaugh said he wanted to be able to arrest rioters before they riot, you know...potential but not actual crime...like in Majority Report.

Of course, if McCain held a rally and someone there destroyed something....would McCain and his minions have their assets seized?:shock:
This isnt 'freedom of speech'.



Protest...legally all you like. The moment you attack others or impede on their rights the game changes.
 
This kind of crap is being introduced in many states by republicans who fear the freedom of speech. It is absolutely disgusting. In AZ, the republicans are also trying to destroy the initiative process which allows people to get signatures to have new laws put up for the people to vote for, they are angry because the voters overwhelmingly voted to increase the minimum wage...and nearly voted to legalize marijuana. The guys behind this, Borelli and Kavanaugh are real thugs, and then you have 6000 year old earth Sylvia Allen...just crazy people. Kavanaugh said he wanted to be able to arrest rioters before they riot, you know...potential but not actual crime...like in Majority Report.

Of course, if McCain held a rally and someone there destroyed something....would McCain and his minions have their assets seized?:shock:

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This isnt 'freedom of speech'.


Protest...legally all you like. The moment you attack others or impede on their rights the game changes.

They are trying to stop all protest. If someone does something wrong at a protest, ANY person there is liable to lose everything they have under RICO, even if they didn't do anything wrong. It is guilt by association.

AZ Republic columnist Laurie Roberts (who regularly reports on the kook wing in AZ) said it best:

Sen. John Kavanagh, R-Fountain Hills, told his colleagues that the bill is aimed at stopping protest organizers who have a goal of rioting and damaging property. He didn’t explain is keen powers of ESP, pinpoint what protest organizers were thinking.

“You now have a situation where you have full-time, almost professional agent-provocateurs that attempt to create public disorder...,” he explained. “Wouldn’t you rather stop a riot before it starts? Do you really want to wait until people are injuring each other, throwing Molotov cocktails, picking up barricades and smashing them through businesses in downtown Phoenix?”

Put another way, do you really want to allow people to exercise their First Amendment right to speak if you disagree with what they have to say? Wouldn't you rather stop it before it starts?


Roberts: Arizona Senate votes to silence protests. No, really...
 
They are trying to stop all protest. If someone does something wrong at a protest, ANY person there is liable to lose everything they have under RICO, even if they didn't do anything wrong. It is guilt by association.

AZ Republic columnist Laurie Roberts (who regularly reports on the kook wing in AZ) said it best:

Sen. John Kavanagh, R-Fountain Hills, told his colleagues that the bill is aimed at stopping protest organizers who have a goal of rioting and damaging property. He didn’t explain is keen powers of ESP, pinpoint what protest organizers were thinking.

“You now have a situation where you have full-time, almost professional agent-provocateurs that attempt to create public disorder...,” he explained. “Wouldn’t you rather stop a riot before it starts? Do you really want to wait until people are injuring each other, throwing Molotov cocktails, picking up barricades and smashing them through businesses in downtown Phoenix?”

Put another way, do you really want to allow people to exercise their First Amendment right to speak if you disagree with what they have to say? Wouldn't you rather stop it before it starts?


Roberts: Arizona Senate votes to silence protests. No, really...
Yep. Thats the price you pay for setting up professional agitators that have intentionally created violent environments. Like it or not...thats on them. Shame its come to this but its also a shame so many ****s cant handle the results of a free and fair election. And if you arent honest enough to admit the actions leftists have engaged in that have brought us to this point...well...thats OK too.
 
Protest legally to your hearts content. Organize and participate in illegal protests...employ RICO and throw those pathetic ****s in prison for 10-15 years.

This would apply to ALL protests....even those protesting out in front of Planned Parenthood....if one rabid anti-abortion person causes any crime at their protest, then potentially, all the protestors could lose everything they own.

Are you for that?

This bill is an authoritarian anti-American abomination. AZ has laws on the books for rioting, if you riot and hurt or destroy, you will get arrested....but this law uses RICO to take away everything you own, and the organizers of a protest, and, potentially anyone else that is there. The RICO statutes are amazingly authoritarian in their scope, and its potential for abuse by whichever party is in power is frightening.



The bill, sponsored by Republican Sen. Sonny Borrelli, would have organizers and protesters of an event that gets out of hand charged with conspiracy and racketeering (for which they could be held criminally and financially liable). The ridiculously broad proposal would allow organizers and bystanders to be prosecuted even if they had nothing to do with any actual crime.

Under existing law a person already can be prosecuted for criminal damage or assault or rioting. A new law is not necessary. Unless punishing rioters is not really its purpose. And it’s not.

The real purpose of a law like this would be to frighten law-abiding citizens into not attending public demonstrations, for fear they might get arrested.

The idea is based on a completely unproven claim about paid protesters causing trouble.

As Democratic Sen. Katie Hobbs said before the Senate vote, “This idea that people are being paid to come out and do that? I’m sorry, but I think that is fake news.”

Because it is.

Because there is no proof.
Silence is ... American?

But that doesn’t seem to matter. The idea is to frighten people into not exercising their free speech or their constitutionally protected right to assemble, to voice their grievances.

Imagine that.


Montini: Senate GOP passes another bill to Shut. You. Up.
 
Yep. Thats the price you pay for setting up professional agitators that have intentionally created violent environments. Like it or not...thats on them. Shame its come to this but its also a shame so many ****s cant handle the results of a free and fair election. And if you arent honest enough to admit the actions leftists have engaged in that have brought us to this point...well...thats OK too.

Fake news....professional agitators...baloney.

The bill is aimed at silencing dissent and chilling free speech. It is un-American.
 
Fake news....professional agitators...baloney.

The bill is aimed at silencing dissent and chilling free speech. It is un-American.
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Riiiiiiiiiiiight. The money for all those protest signs...they are holding bake sales and collecting aluminum cans.

Free speech is American. Organized violent protests are criminal acts and should be dealt with accordingly. Protests that devolve into criminal actions should be dealt with accordingly. And heres the FUNNY part...for all your bull****...as long as protesters dont break the law...NONE of this will matter. Why do you care? Because you KNOW they are going to break the law and you are pretty cool with that.

You are the problem.
 
This would apply to ALL protests....even those protesting out in front of Planned Parenthood....if one rabid anti-abortion person causes any crime at their protest, then potentially, all the protestors could lose everything they own.

Are you for that?

This bill is an authoritarian anti-American abomination. AZ has laws on the books for rioting, if you riot and hurt or destroy, you will get arrested....but this law uses RICO to take away everything you own, and the organizers of a protest, and, potentially anyone else that is there. The RICO statutes are amazingly authoritarian in their scope, and its potential for abuse by whichever party is in power is frightening.



The bill, sponsored by Republican Sen. Sonny Borrelli, would have organizers and protesters of an event that gets out of hand charged with conspiracy and racketeering (for which they could be held criminally and financially liable). The ridiculously broad proposal would allow organizers and bystanders to be prosecuted even if they had nothing to do with any actual crime.

Under existing law a person already can be prosecuted for criminal damage or assault or rioting. A new law is not necessary. Unless punishing rioters is not really its purpose. And it’s not.

The real purpose of a law like this would be to frighten law-abiding citizens into not attending public demonstrations, for fear they might get arrested.

The idea is based on a completely unproven claim about paid protesters causing trouble.

As Democratic Sen. Katie Hobbs said before the Senate vote, “This idea that people are being paid to come out and do that? I’m sorry, but I think that is fake news.”

Because it is.

Because there is no proof.
Silence is ... American?

But that doesn’t seem to matter. The idea is to frighten people into not exercising their free speech or their constitutionally protected right to assemble, to voice their grievances.

Imagine that.


Montini: Senate GOP passes another bill to Shut. You. Up.
Guess you better make sure when you are organizing a protest that people understand the rules, huh? Unfortunately...far too many rabid leftist ****heads have gone and ****ed it up for everyone. Too ****ing bad. Own your actions.
 
Guess you better make sure when you are organizing a protest that people understand the rules, huh? Unfortunately...far too many rabid leftist ****heads have gone and ****ed it up for everyone. Too ****ing bad. Own your actions.

Shouldn't have to worry about freedom of speech should we...if this passes, we do. It is draconian and un-American.
 

Your first link is useful if it goes to the actual law and not a draft. Hard to tell. At any rate that is a whole bunch of words saying that if you are going to be one of the thugs, goons, or lowlifes who organizes and/or participates in rioting, burning, looting, arson, vandalizing, destroying, assault, battery, and terrorizing other citizens and violating their rights, expect to have the book thrown at you.

The second article is fake news implying that the law prohibits free speech. it doesn't.
 
Cool, another poster who doesn't know what the word fake means.
 
Shouldn't have to worry about freedom of speech should we...if this passes, we do. It is draconian and un-American.
You DONT have to worry about freedom of speech. You dont have to worry about legal protesting. You know how you stay out of jail? You dont commit illegal acts and you dont hang out with stupid ****ers that are going to suck you into their illegal acts.

Lifes not very complicated.
 
As I read it, Sally and Dave can organize a peaceful protest, then Jill and Mike the anarchists come in and co-opt the protest and start destroying property, and Sally and Dave lose their house because they were the organizers. It's written that broadly.
 

The best thing about this 5th° felony is that these riots rioters and terrorism supporters will lose the right to vote.

You said it sounds like you haven't read the article or experienced firsthand some of the terrorist supporting rioters that took place in the state of Arizona. What they did was really unforgivable.
 
The best thing about this 5th° felony is that these riots rioters and terrorism supporters will lose the right to vote.

You said it sounds like you haven't read the article or experienced firsthand some of the terrorist supporting rioters that took place in the state of Arizona. What they did was really unforgivable.

before we waste time on a pointless back and forth, do you support this? :

The Arizona Senate passed a bill on Wednesday that would allow the government to seize the property of people who help plan a demonstration that turns violent.

If the bill becomes law, prosecutors could charge people and seize assets for conspiracy to riot even if the so-called conspirators didn't participate in any violence.

Plan a Protest, Lose Your House: Arizona Senate Passes SB 1142 Charging 'Provocateurs' With Racketeeing | Phoenix New Times
 
Fake news....professional agitators...baloney.

The bill is aimed at silencing dissent and chilling free speech. It is un-American.

Did you read the wording in the bill? It's not about putting the kibosh on free speech at all.

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This should be a violation of the First Amendment, and I hope it gets struck down. It also seems like an extension of civil asset forfeiture which I think is the most corrupt POS law our country has on the books.

All the police have to do is plant an agent provocateur in any protest, then the whole thing can be shut down. It's what governments have done over the past century in "free speech" countries. It also allows anarchist groups to destroy civil discourse.
 
Guess you better make sure when you are organizing a protest that people understand the rules, huh? Unfortunately...far too many rabid leftist ****heads have gone and ****ed it up for everyone. Too ****ing bad. Own your actions.

God fascist are ugly. They say "own your actions" and then want to punish people for being in the same group as the offender. I am not the ****ing police, if I am at a protest and some idiot throws a bottle, it's not my job to know he did it or do anything about it. Make the offender "own their action" not the crowd he hid in.

This law is pathetic and so is any idiot that defends it.
 
As I read it, Sally and Dave can organize a peaceful protest, then Jill and Mike the anarchists come in and co-opt the protest and start destroying property, and Sally and Dave lose their house because they were the organizers. It's written that broadly.

Worse yet, those agitators could be hired by the opposition...or even Arizona lawmakers.
 
I predict that if this law is passed it will get tied up the courts for years and eventually struck down for being too broad and a violation of the first amendment.

I swear, lawmakers sure know how to waste their time and our money with frivolous legislation.


edit: That's weird...I just posted this and now it's posted pages before other posts that came before mine...instead of at the end of the thread. Oooo...those pesky Russians. lol
 
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Yes I have. And participated in peaceful demonstrations. Our tea party rallies attracted hundreds of men and women who had a great time, but our instructions were firm and enforced--no hateful signs, no littering, no blocking streets or businesses, no littering. The police had at most one police car there to protect US as we presented absolutely no problems for them. Also the couple of cops there would be our witness if anybody showed up trying to stir up trouble.

We weren't out to deny anybody their rights as citizens though. We were there to promote good citizenship, set a good example, and get our point across in a positive way. But it was certainly honest dissent against a corrupt and/or feckless and/or self-serving government in Santa Fe and Washington.

i have also organized events, though not a political ones.

so, if someone had committed a crime at your event, should you have lost your house?
 
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