Another Released Rapist Murders Someone

soylentgreen said:

Do not put words into my mouth. Even you should be able to think of alternatives likes electronic tags and community service programs. Where as in jail all they do is sit and reinforce the idea that women deserve to be raped.

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That's just silly. These people are rapists. They do not become rapists in prison. They are in prison because they are rapists. And, we are letting them out too soon.

Give women the gun teach them to use it. Then hope they never wake up to fact that you also set up a system that will encourage them to be in a situation where they will have to use it. I would not like to see where a gun gets pointed by a women who has been encouraged to shoot men.

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The system is bad because they let these monsters out of jail far too soon. You don't even want them locked up at all.

Wesley Wayne Miller

In 1982, Miller was convicted of murdering former classmate Retha Stratton, mutilating her body with 38 stab wounds. Two years later, he pleaded guilty to a charge of unrelated burglary with intent to rape for a 1981 crime. He was sentenced to 25 years on the murder conviction and 20 years on the burglary charge. The sentences ran concurrently.

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Now here's a great example of our lax incarceration system that could be even defined as promoting rape culture.

Two violations of civil commitment law by Wesley Wayne Miller overturned by court at request of prosecutors and defense | Crime | Dallas News

Miller, 48, was sentenced to 25 years in prison for the 1982 murder of Retha Stratton, a high school cheerleader. He has been released briefly several times since 1991 but always has landed back in prison quickly for parole violations.

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Sentenced to 25 and 20 years, but out in less than 10---and, this is for murder!! Of course, since it was a woman he killed, and since he was a football playing white boy, he got all the breaks.

And, check this out.

In an unusual move that confounded even some prosecutors in the Tarrant County office, the district attorney joined the defense in seeking relief for Miller on two of the three counts.

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How often does that happen?

Best defendant to be in our system must be white male rapist who targets young women, apparently.

TurtleDude said:

so we could

castrate completely the rapist

cripple the rapist

execute the rapist

what else is there?

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Castrating rapists is a bad idea. Rape is a violent act of control. Take away the weapon of choice, and they will turn to other more violent means.

Rape should be seen as a public health issue. In addition to very strict prison sentences, the rapist should be mandated to undergo rigorous predator treatment programs and if there is any question as to his capacity his prison stay should be extended accordingly.

calamity said:

That's just silly. These people are rapists. They do not become rapists in prison. They are in prison because they are rapists. And, we are letting them out too soon.


The system is bad because they let these monsters out of jail far too soon. You don't even want them locked up at all.

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There are always catageries. Rape is about the need to have power not sex. Sex is merely the implement used to demonstrate their power. Prisons simply reinforce that need for power.

My problem is not with putting a small percentage that really need to be locked up in jail. It is putting those who would benefit more and benefit society more by being given alternatives that can stop recidivism than merely throw them all in jail will do.

soylentgreen said:

There are always catageries. Rape is about the need to have power not sex. Sex is merely the implement used to demonstrate their power. Prisons simply reinforce that need for power.

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I didn't mention sex. And, prisons do one thing very effectively--they remove the POS from society.

My problem is not with putting a small percentage that really need to be locked up in jail. It is putting those who would benefit more and benefit society more by being given alternatives that can stop recidivism than merely throw them all in jail will do.

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Rape is not like shoplifting where only "a small percentage" need to be locked up in jail. It's a highly antisocial violent crime. There is no such thing as a little bit raped. Lock them up; throw away the key.

calamity said:

I didn't mention sex. And, prisons do one thing very effectively--they remove the POS from society.


Rape is not like shoplifting where only "a small percentage" need to be locked up in jail. It's a highly antisocial violent crime. There is no such thing as a little bit raped.

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You mentioned rape, there is a connection between rape and sex. And prisons do another thing effectively. They breed more criminals to be released upon society.

I am not suggesting that it is the same. But your suggestion of rape is treating it as if it were the same as shoplifting by wanting to throw both in jail. Different actions, same consequence.

soylentgreen said:

You mentioned rape, there is a connection between rape and sex. And prisons do another thing effectively. They breed more criminals to be released upon society.

I am not suggesting that it is the same. But your suggestion of rape is treating it as if it were the same as shoplifting by wanting to throw both in jail. Different actions, same consequence.

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Nope. My intention is simple: remove the rapist from society...forever, preferably.

calamity said:

Nope. My intention is simple: remove the rapist from society...forever, preferably.

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Yes, and as pointed out. Risk the very lives of the victims by doing so. Yours is not a solution it is just being simple minded and careless with others lives about it.

soylentgreen said:

Yes, and as pointed out. Risk the very lives of the victims by doing so. Yours is not a solution it is just being simple minded and careless with others lives about it.

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Nope. Careless and simpleminded is leaving a rapist free to roam or thinking you can "fix" them with talk therapy and giving them a biscuit whenever they say the right thing.

calamity said:

Nope. Careless and simpleminded is leaving a rapist free to roam or thinking you can "fix" them with talk therapy and giving them a biscuit whenever they say the right thing.

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Unfortunately for you the world does not lack in solutions to problems as you obviously do if this an example of your best shot. Which is a good thing because there would be a lot of dead women instead of raped woman if we went your way.

Tagging, counselling and community work to pay back for their crime would be more than adequate in may cases Where the criminal shows no remorse the crime is heinous beyond rape itself or argues his right to rape then prison becomes a choice.

Your simpleminded solution has the draw backs of being expensive operation to incarcerate for life a young man of twenty who could live for 70 years or more on state cost provisions which will run into millions of dollars just for one person. Then there is the fact that jailing rapists with other rapists and criminals will reinforce the negative stereotypes among them.

If the best you can do is try the rather silly false dilemma fallacy with your options being either jail for life or give them a pat on the head then you are wasting my time. All you are doing is repeating the same crap while ignoring any faults that are being pointed out. Your quick to dishonestly pretend other solutions are going to be a silly as you say. But lacking in ant ability to defend the even more sillier faults of your own solution.

soylentgreen said:

Unfortunately for you the world does not lack in solutions to problems as you obviously do if this an example of your best shot. Which is a good thing because there would be a lot of dead women instead of raped woman if we went your way.

Tagging, counselling and community work to pay back for their crime would be more than adequate in may cases Where the criminal shows no remorse the crime is heinous beyond rape itself or argues his right to rape then prison becomes a choice.

Your simpleminded solution has the draw backs of being expensive operation to incarcerate for life a young man of twenty who could live for 70 years or more on state cost provisions which will run into millions of dollars just for one person. Then there is the fact that jailing rapists with other rapists and criminals will reinforce the negative stereotypes among them.

If the best you can do is try the rather silly false dilemma fallacy with your options being either jail for life or give them a pat on the head then you are wasting my time. All you are doing is repeating the same crap while ignoring any faults that are being pointed out. Your quick to dishonestly pretend other solutions are going to be a silly as you say. But lacking in ant ability to defend the even more sillier faults of your own solution.

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I wonder how you would like for someone who raped you to be punished. :roll:


In America we have a few core principles. One is that if you are convicted of committing violence against Americans, you should be locked away. The other is that if we feel threatened, we can choose to own a gun, learn to use it, and then take care of the threat ourselves. If I was a female, I would CCW, absolutely and without question.

I am baffled that so few women in this country pursue the CCW route. I do not know if they fail to understand that they are targets or if they have been brainwashed by Leftists into believing that carrying a gun makes them some kind of meanie. Bottom line though is that no magical power will protect them from creeps. But, a gun will.

Your idea that we should find an alternative to jails for punishing rapists may sell in New Zealand. It won't sell here though. And, for that I am grateful.

calamity said:

I wonder how you would like for someone who raped you to be punished. :roll:

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Thank you for admitting that you have little concern for anything but your own petty revenge. Because that is what this question is when it relies upon the judgement of someone emotionally and negatively involved, as opposed to what a court of law will or will not legally do.

In America we have a few core principles. One is that if you are convicted of committing violence against Americans, you should be locked away. The other is that if we feel threatened, we can choose to own a gun, learn to use it, and then take care of the threat ourselves. If I was a female, I would CCW, absolutely and without question.

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Why are you still banging on about guns. Your fetish to shoot things has no real part in this discussion.

I am baffled that so few women in this country pursue the CCW route. I do not know if they fail to understand that they are targets or if they have been brainwashed by Leftists into believing that carrying a gun makes them some kind of meanie. Bottom line though is that no magical power will protect them from creeps. But, a gun will.

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Because a gun must have the magical power that everything else lacks? Apparantly in your country rapists are very stupid people who give woman a chance to defend themselves before raping them. Very polite of them.

Your idea that we should find an alternative to jails for punishing rapists may sell in New Zealand. It won't sell here though. And, for that I am grateful.

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Grateful for what? Your solution is so obviously full of holes that you have not even bothered to address. Just pretend that any alternative must be silly.

Peter King said:

Sadly some of these things will happen if one believes in rehabilitation after a serious crime, but sex crimes should be punished harder than 4 or 5 years. I think sex fiends who are a high risk should have to follow psychiatric evaluation and treatment.

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Rehabilitation of violent criminals is a farce, drummed up 40 years ago by people who should be old enough today to admit that they failed to grasp reality.

Violent predators aren't going to mellow out and become normal citizens.

They can however put on a convincing act while in prison, where they pretend to be remorseful for their crimes in order to win the support of the parole board.

soylentgreen said:

Thank you for admitting that you have little concern for anything but your own petty revenge. Because that is what this question is when it relies upon the judgement of someone emotionally and negatively involved, as opposed to what a court of law will or will not legally do.

Why are you still banging on about guns. Your fetish to shoot things has no real part in this discussion.

Because a gun must have the magical power that everything else lacks? Apparantly in your country rapists are very stupid people who give woman a chance to defend themselves before raping them. Very polite of them.

Grateful for what? Your solution is so obviously full of holes that you have not even bothered to address. Just pretend that any alternative must be silly.

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A rapist will give an armed woman plenty of opportunity to put a bullet in his head. It's not like rapists are hyper-vigilant Green Beret types. They are usually weak-minded men who have to overpower women to feel whole. It only takes one second of distraction to pull out a gun and put a cap in his ass.

truthatallcost said:

Rehabilitation of violent criminals is a farce, drummed up 40 years ago by people who should be old enough today to admit that they failed to grasp reality.

Violent predators aren't going to mellow out and become normal citizens.

They can however put on a convincing act while in prison, where they pretend to be remorseful for their crimes in order to win the support of the parole board.

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Most criminals, even violent one are not predators. Violent predators are indeed not usually going to become normal citizens, that is what long term stay mental jails/closed facilities are for.

There is a chance for loads of criminals, even violent ones to get and stay out of jail, but then you have to do something to rehabilitate and not create monsters out of them like is done in a lot of prisons. There are notable exceptions though, predators is one you mentioned, gang members are another, psychiatric patients is a third group and drug addicts are the third group. Most others IMO do have a chance at rehabilitation, even violent ones.

Predators are indeed such a danger that normal prison sentences do not solve that issue. For that reason in the Netherlands we have TBS, which is purely for a class of people who are deemed "virtually incurable" of their dangerous criminal/violent tendencies. Those people usually get a shorter stay in prison than regular criminals do, but when their prison term is over they go to a closed facility where they will be treated until there is a reasonably high certainty that person will not fall back into their criminal behavior, or they give up the treatment and lock people up until they die.

There is one case in which a man had dangerous child predatory instincts that could have lead him to commit rapes and murders, he was arrested on after a serious sexual incident with an 11 year old. Psychiatric evaluation found him as said ot have dangerous predatory instincts with children. A normal rapist, even of a child would have been released already, this guy however if seen as incurable and has been in TBS for 56 years and will stay in long stay care until he dies. The only thing that has changed over the past 56 years, is that he no longer gets forcible treatment anymore (he won a lawsuit 5 years ago to achieve that).

In this system of TBS, a person that should have gotten 12 years of jail time now has been jailed for 56 years and will remain locked up and not a danger until he dies. Just because he is a predator he gets indefinite incarceration and forced treatment/medication.

That is how you keep predators out of society and out of general population in jails IMHO.

calamity said:

A rapist will give an armed woman plenty of opportunity to put a bullet in his head. It's not like rapists are hyper-vigilant Green Beret types. They are usually weak-minded men who have to overpower women to feel whole. It only takes one second of distraction to pull out a gun and put a cap in his ass.

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No, you are simply trying to pretend rapists all do the same thing. You completely ignore the fact that the majority of women are raped by someone they know.

This is more about your fetish to shoot things than an explanation of how women can defend themselves. As well your reasoning is nothing more than an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. One that leaves it women to sort out and in a bad way by having to defend themselves against men.

prevention of rape is a problem men need to deal with not women.

I honestly have no interest in this opinion of yours about guns and dismiss it for all the faults i have pointed out.

soylentgreen said:

No, you are simply trying to pretend rapists all do the same thing. You completely ignore the fact that the majority of women are raped by someone they know.

This is more about your fetish to shoot things than an explanation of how women can defend themselves. As well your reasoning is nothing more than an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. One that leaves it women to sort out and in a bad way by having to defend themselves against men.

prevention of rape is a problem men need to deal with not women.

I honestly have no interest in this opinion of yours about guns and dismiss it for all the faults i have pointed out.

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Then it should be even easier to shoot them.

calamity said:

Then it should be even easier to shoot them.

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Now at least i know your not serious.