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Another Released Rapist Murders Someone

soylentgreen said:
Proof once again that prisons are an outdated waste of time. Send a boy into prison and he will come out a man who does not give a crap.

Your solution is just as ridiculous. If such was the case then criminals might as well go all the way and rampage and murder anyone because all crime gets the same time. Why hold back when killing your victim will not receive any more harsher a sentence than just rape and has the added bonus of removing the only witness to the crime.
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the best solution to violent criminals are lots of armed potential victims. Most violent crime is committed by a very active and small subset of the criminals in a society. The more of them that get shot, the better
 
soylentgreen said:
So again back to my original comment. Prison is outdated it is merely a place to send boys and turn them into criminals.
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so we could

castrate completely the rapist

cripple the rapist

execute the rapist

what else is there?
 
Peter King said:
Which is the ridiculous result of that stupid war on drugs users, made worse with the idiocy of mandatory minimum sentences.
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Correct.
 
TurtleDude said:
so we could

castrate completely the rapist

cripple the rapist

execute the rapist

what else is there?
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I seriously believe he wants to send them off to pleasant valley where they can be "rehabilitated" by singing kumbaya and holding hands...probably in a co-ed environment.
 
TurtleDude said:
the best solution to violent criminals are lots of armed potential victims. Most violent crime is committed by a very active and small subset of the criminals in a society. The more of them that get shot, the better
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No that just assumes guilt. And i do not mean guilt as in if they did it. But guilt as in assuming they are actually in control of their actions.
I agree that your solution has a satisfying appeal of there is no solution so nothing less than a bullet and a shallow unmarked grave is all they deserve. I do think there are people out there whose actions are so despicable that they deserve a bullet.

But then on the other hand there is that damn 14th amendment https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/equal_protection

We should burn that document it sucks all the fun out of life. :)
 
soylentgreen said:
No that just assumes guilt. And i do not mean guilt as in if they did it. But guilt as in assuming they are actually in control of their actions.
I agree that your solution has a satisfying appeal of there is no solution so nothing less than a bullet and a shallow unmarked grave is all they deserve. I do think there are people out there whose actions are so despicable that they deserve a bullet.

But then on the other hand there is that damn 14th amendment https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/equal_protection

We should burn that document it sucks all the fun out of life. :)
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shooting someone who is violently attacking you has no 14th amendment implications
 
TurtleDude said:
so we could

castrate completely the rapist

cripple the rapist

execute the rapist

what else is there?
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Rapist is not singular. there are many reasons and situations of rape. The law recognises this by catagorising rape.
The question of prison is not that it is a solution because you cannot think of anything better. Prison just of itself is the wrong answer. It can not be helped but to enhance the chance of recidivism from people in there.
And your stuck with the same problem, Give rapists the same sentence they would get for murder as they would for rape then the only logical choice offered a rapist is to kill the one and only witness. Your idea will endanger women.
 
soylentgreen said:
Rapist is not singular. there are many reasons and situations of rape. The law recognises this by catagorising rape.
The question of prison is not that it is a solution because you cannot think of anything better. Prison just of itself is the wrong answer. It can not be helped but to enhance the chance of recidivism from people in there.
And your stuck with the same problem, Give rapists the same sentence they would get for murder as they would for rape then the only logical choice offered a rapist is to kill the one and only witness. Your idea will endanger women.
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I don't advocate killing rapists as a punishment. I advocate women who are in the process of being raped, stop the rape with two center of mass gunshots
 
TurtleDude said:
shooting someone who is violently attacking you has no 14th amendment implications
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True, If you had to in the first place. But what your offering is"less than an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff.


It does put into question your view of the constitution. To create the scenario you did which part of the 14th were you trying to get around, the law itself or the spirit of the document?
 
TurtleDude said:
I don't advocate killing rapists as a punishment. I advocate women who are in the process of being raped, stop the rape with two center of mass gunshots
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Far to often the gun will be used on them. The problem there is that it is a statistical probability that she will be raped by someone she knows. I can fully understand the delay that is lethal for them. And some one she does not know will more than likely attack before she can react.
A womans better chance is to learn some self defense as any attack will be close quaters. A punch has less chance to miss than a bullet even though a bullet can be more lethal. And yes, both would be good to.

Unfortunately any real solution for rape belongs to men to figure out not women. And even more unfortunately the best they seem to be able to do sometimes is want to shoot first and do not even bother asking question after.
 
calamity said:
I seriously believe he wants to send them off to pleasant valley where they can be "rehabilitated" by singing kumbaya and holding hands...probably in a co-ed environment.
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Why is it when i get into these conversations the best my opposition can do is come up with really stupid answers. And i know that is not trolling because there is no other description for it. Is that honestly the best you can do? You have kept an open mind an actually looked at the problems of housing many men in a prison?

What you are doing is only referring to the small percentage of really violent criminals. There are thousands of such prisoners who would be better served by a tracker and limited public freedom.
 
calamity said:
I am getting sick of seeing this crap.


Convicted of rape in 2010, at age 22, and the scumbag is out already free to kill some unsuspecting college kid?


Catch and convict a rapist, don't let the POS out again until he is old and feeble...if at all.
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What's happening is that they're spending all their time imprisoning the wrong people and they have to make room.
 
soylentgreen said:
Rapist is not singular. there are many reasons and situations of rape. The law recognises this by catagorising rape.
The question of prison is not that it is a solution because you cannot think of anything better. Prison just of itself is the wrong answer. It can not be helped but to enhance the chance of recidivism from people in there.
And your stuck with the same problem, Give rapists the same sentence they would get for murder as they would for rape then the only logical choice offered a rapist is to kill the one and only witness. Your idea will endanger women.
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Aggravated Murder is usually easier to solve and gain a conviction than rape. Just saying.

Murders are very hard to conceal--DNa and all that. Rape is he said, she said. Plus cops don't drop everything to solve a rape like they do a murder. Unless someone is smart enough to dispose of the body and all other evidence, and/or unless they have no connection to the victim, they usually get caught.

It's very hard to get away with murder; rape not so much.
 
calamity said:
Aggravated Murder is usually easier to solve and gain a conviction than rape. Just saying.

Murders are very hard to conceal--DNa and all that. Rape is he said, she said. Plus cops don't drop everything to solve a rape like they do a murder. Unless someone is smart enough to dispose of the body and all other evidence, and/or unless they have no connection to the victim, they usually get caught.

It's very hard to get away with murder; rape not so much.
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Not if there is only one witness and she is dead. Your plan is more inclined to get a woman killed. The risk of leaving her alive to testify out ways the risk of getting caught. No matter how good the technology to eventually track the murderer down exists their is always an ethical consideration to the sanctity of a victims life.

Basically your telling women not to worry. Even though you have set up a condition that might get them killed we will be able to track your killer down an throw him in jail for life, and no, there is no need to thanks us.
 
soylentgreen said:
Not if there is only one witness and she is dead. Your plan is more inclined to get a woman killed. The risk of leaving her alive to testify out ways the risk of getting caught. No matter how good the technology to eventually track the murderer down exists their is always an ethical consideration to the sanctity of a victims life.

Basically your telling women not to worry. Even though you have set up a condition that might get them killed we will be able to track your killer down an throw him in jail for life, and no, there is no need to thanks us.
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lol...murders are solved all the time without living witnesses. DNA is a pesky thing these days. And, eliminating it is nearly impossible.

Personally, I would recommend women carry a gun. Especially a woman who, like the one in the op, is going to her car alone late at night.
 
calamity said:
lol...murders are solved all the time without living witnesses. DNA is a pesky thing these days. And, eliminating it is nearly impossible.
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True and women all over the world want to thank the government for doing everything possible to catch the person who killed them. Much better than putting any resources into preventing the crime in the first place.

Personally, I would recommend women carry a gun. Especially a woman who, like the one in the op, is going to her car alone late at night.
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I am not sure that you can make a case for the idea that a gun might have saved her. It is just as likely that the attack occurred before she was aware of the danger. And already having this point covered with another my suggestion was a woman would be safer learning a few self defense moves because any attack will be up close and personal. At that point a knee to the groin is more effective than fumbling for a gun.
 
soylentgreen said:
True and women all over the world want to thank the government for doing everything possible to catch the person who killed them. Much better than putting any resources into preventing the crime in the first place.
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Yeah, like locking up rapists until they are too old and feeble to rape anyone anymore. :roll:


I am not sure that you can make a case for the idea that a gun might have saved her. It is just as likely that the attack occurred before she was aware of the danger. And already having this point covered with another my suggestion was a woman would be safer learning a few self defense moves because any attack will be up close and personal. At that point a knee to the groin is more effective than fumbling for a gun.
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Maybe, maybe not. There often comes a point though during an abduction when the attacker is distracted enough to put a bullet in his brain.
 
calamity said:
Yeah, like locking up rapists until they are too old and feeble to rape anyone anymore. :roll:
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And as you ignore. Opening up the condition where revenge is given precedence over the value of the victims life.
I would rather see how you would get that argument past an ethics committee than simply gloat at what you think is a good idea.

Maybe, maybe not. There often comes a point though during an abduction when the attacker is distracted enough to put a bullet in his brain
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What ever. I would still need an explanation as to why you find it morally acceptable to gamble that she can do so.
 
soylentgreen said:
And as you ignore. Opening up the condition where revenge is given precedence over the value of the victims life.
I would rather see how you would get that argument past an ethics committee than simply gloat at what you think is a good idea.
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it's not revenge; it's removing rapists from society.


What ever. I would still need an explanation as to why you find it morally acceptable to gamble that she can do so.
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Her odds improve when she's armed. The gamble is a female walking out to her car late at night without a gun.
 
calamity said:
it's not revenge; it's removing rapists from society.
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Ok it does not matter how you want to label it. It is still seeking to remove the rapist rather than consider the life of the victim. Ethical problem still there.

Her odds improve when she's armed. The gamble is a female walking out to her car late at night without a gun
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No the gamble is that you are willing to let her take the gamble.

You offer nothing of value here. Whether she uses a gun or not is not relevant. she has the right to defend her self that is all you are saying. And that is taken for granted already.

But to have a serious discussion about what to do about rape then that is an issue that men have to deal with do rather than what can women do with a gun.
 
soylentgreen said:
Ok it does not matter how you want to label it. It is still seeking to remove the rapist rather than consider the life of the victim. Ethical problem still there.
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No. Removing the rapist from society until he is too old to be a threat any longer is saving victims--you know, since rapists tend to be repeat offenders.


No the gamble is that you are willing to let her take the gamble.

You offer nothing of value here. Whether she uses a gun or not is not relevant. she has the right to defend her self that is all you are saying. And that is taken for granted already.

But to have a serious discussion about what to do about rape then that is an issue that men have to deal with do rather than what can women do with a gun.
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Uh, life is a gamble. If you're a chick, that gamble is less stacked against you if you are armed and dangerous.
 
jet57 said:
What's happening is that they're spending all their time imprisoning the wrong people and they have to make room.
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Dear Jet

Parting was such sweet sorrow,,,,well actually not, you’re twisted, unbalanced and have an evil stripe running right next to that cowardly stripe.

With your latest nonsense It showed some colors that have been out of the spectrum for those to see. Going after Red was absolutely the glasses some needed to see you as you truly are. Your twisted and evil critique for a person that donates their time was off the hook despicable. I have to say, I don’t put much emotional or personal stock into what happen’s on this forum or anything internet related but you managed to hit a nerve with me. With that, your basement banning was so very welcome and a long time coming. I look forward to sending you routine notifications to twist that figurative knife in slowly over time.
 
calamity said:
No. Removing the rapist from society until he is too old to be a threat any longer is saving victims--you know, since rapists tend to be repeat offenders.
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That is even more ridiculous. Your only evidence of recidivism comes from observing an organisation that encourages recidivism.

Uh, life is a gamble. If you're a chick, that gamble is less stacked against you if you are armed and dangerous
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Yes, your gun fetish is truly noted. As is your philosophy of treating women seems to be it is better to shoot a man first than take a chance.
 
soylentgreen said:
That is even more ridiculous. Your only evidence of recidivism comes from observing an organisation that encourages recidivism.


Yes, your gun fetish is truly noted. As is your philosophy of treating women seems to be it is better to shoot a man first than take a chance.
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You want to let rapists go. And, I want them in jail where they belong. I win.

A woman with a gun can defend herself from an aggressive male. All the better if she knows a few defensive moves to buy a few seconds of time so she can get to her gun and then take a clean shot.
 
calamity said:
You want to let rapists go. And, I want them in jail where they belong. I win.

A woman with a gun can defend herself from an aggressive male. All the better if she knows a few defensive moves to buy a few seconds of time so she can get to her gun and then take a clean shot.
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Do not put words into my mouth. Even you should be able to think of alternatives likes electronic tags and community service programs. Where as in jail all they do is sit and reinforce the idea that women deserve to be raped.

Give women the gun teach them to use it. Then hope they never wake up to fact that you also set up a system that will encourage them to be in a situation where they will have to use it. I would not like to see where a gun gets pointed by a women who has been encouraged to shoot men.
 
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