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Xenophobes, Racists & Illegal Immigration

Absentglare said:
No American has the right to publish xenophobic hate speech without being subject to criticism for publishing xenophobic hate speech.

You may not silence critics because of free speech. Thankfully, this country believes in freedom rather than authoritarian social engineering.
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I can't seem to connect your post with the OP that you quoted. Can you please show me the connection between the OP and this publishing and silencing thing that you have brought up?
 
11Bravo said:
could a child make it past the mine field were gonna build though?
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What kind of a monster would use mine fields to keep children out? That's just sick.
 
Spartacus FPV said:
What? You don't like my solution to the problem of poverty? It must be because you hate poor people, isn't it? Racist!
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No you're racist, racist!!!
 
BrewerBob said:
i don't agree with your sig but I certainly don't think you are a racist just based off your stance on immigration. I doubt most lefties do.
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You post lacked proper formatting.
 
Moot said:
What kind of a monster would use mine fields to keep children out? That's just sick.
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no silly. the fence before the mine field keeps kids out. the mine field is for the older invaders
 
After living a large chunk of my life with white guilt I am way past that now. It has become too comical and too common to throw that racist epithet and I have been ignoring it for years now. It is much more a reflection on the name caller than anything to do with reality or me.

And it is so sad that it my lifetime we have gone from a belief (shared by almost everyone I dealt with the 60s) that it was horribly wrong to treat people differently because of race to the current thinking that, no, it is expected to treat people differently because of race as long as we are talking about the "correct" races. And the bizarre belief other races are completely justified in their demonization of white people. There is little sympathy for the millions of poor whites in this country or the immigrants from Eastern Europe who have struggled most of their lives before coming to the US only to be condemned by some for being "privileged". And, no, that is not a personal whine, just compassion for people low on the economic scale regardless of their race.

FWIW, race is pseudo science with no clear delineations. Hispanics are not a race. Muslims are not a race. Somalis are not a race. And neither are Africans. And xenophobia is simply fear of that which is foreign or strange. All those people screaming about the 63 million people who voted for Trump could easily be called xenophobes because they are actively against those people who they find strange and do not understand. I suspect that the Trump voters who could be called xenophobes is less that the anti-Trump ranters as there was numerous reasons for their vote that may have had nothing to do with xenophobia.
 
EvMetro said:
I can't seem to connect your post with the OP that you quoted. Can you please show me the connection between the OP and this publishing and silencing thing that you have brought up?
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Whining about being called names is emphasized by me:

Empirica said:
..., we are accused of being xenophobes and even racists based on nothing but a political position.

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So why can't the liberal and lefty community ... stop with the incessant accusations of "racist" and "xenophobe" ...? :blink: ?
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Empirica said:
As anyone who has ever noticed my Signature knows, I am a fervent supporter of enforcing and even ramping up existing Immigration Laws and closing loopholes that entice&solicit foreign nationals to break those laws.

And because I and millions of other American Citizens believe this to be a major US problem, we are accused of being xenophobes and even racists based on nothing but a political position.

I'm well aware that the overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants are Central and South American Latinos but why does the left insist on believing that race is the basis of our position?

I assure you that for the great majority of us, this position is rooted in nothing more than support for the law of the land and the US Constitution regardless of the nationality or skin color of the offenders.

Although; I'm sure there are those among us who are indeed motivated by racism, xenophobia and just plain ole hate but I also know that this group is a tiny insignificant minority in 21st Century America.

So why can't the liberal and lefty community just accept this reality and stop with the incessant accusations of "racist" and "xenophobe" and realize that our positions on this issue are simply at odds? :blink: ?
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People call you names to avoid the truth. I was called every name in the book when I simply quoted what the Qur'an said, and what some Imams said.

They do that to provoke you into a defensive posture if you defend yourself you quit saying the things they want you to stop saying.

This is the advise I give to people with this particular frustration. Don't give those idiots the time of day. You knows you aren't prejudiced against people from south or central America. Thus you have nothing to defend yourself against.

Basically they are trying to demonize you. Don't fall for it.
 
Moot said:
When you blame minorities and illegal immigrants for all of societies problems then you've jumped the shark into xenophobia and racism.
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Exactly what "societal problems" have I unjustly blamed on "minorities and illegal immigrants"?
 
Moot said:
When you blame minorities and illegal immigrants for all of societies problems then you've jumped the shark into xenophobia and racism.
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Minorities and illegals are two different classes of people. I blame neither for societies problems. I blame illegals for violating our laws.
 
Moot said:
When you blame minorities and illegal immigrants for all of societies problems then you've jumped the shark into xenophobia and racism.
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But when you blame the problems that are case by illegal immigration you are being honest and truthful. Illegal immigration causes problems just with the law alone. It serves to keep people in a subservient class worth no liberty.

We can talk about changing our immigration laws. But that isn't what you seem to want to talk about.
 
CLAX1911 said:
People call you names to avoid the truth. I was called every name in the book when I simply quoted what the Qur'an said, and what some Imams said.

They do that to provoke you into a defensive posture if you defend yourself you quit saying the things they want you to stop saying.

This is the advise I give to people with this particular frustration. Don't give those idiots the time of day. You knows you aren't prejudiced against people from south or central America. Thus you have nothing to defend yourself against.

Basically they are trying to demonize you. Don't fall for it.
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Please allow me to clarify...The purpose of this thread is not to defend against false accusations.

I'm aware that they are ridiculously and totally baseless and have never offended me in the least.

This thread is simply to spark discussion on an important issue that has gone nowhere for too long.
 
Empirica said:
Please allow me to clarify...The purpose of this thread is not to defend against false accusations.

I'm aware that they are ridiculously and totally baseless and have never offended me in the least.

This thread is simply to spark discussion on an important issue that has gone nowhere for too long.
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Alas, those that could benifit from it most will just call you racist.
 
Empirica said:
Please allow me to clarify...The purpose of this thread is not to defend against false accusations.

I'm aware that they are ridiculously and totally baseless and have never offended me in the least.

This thread is simply to spark discussion on an important issue that has gone nowhere for too long.
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What issue? That you get really upset when people appropriately characterize xenophobic ideology as xenophobic?
 
Empirica said:
As anyone who has ever noticed my Signature knows, I am a fervent supporter of enforcing and even ramping up existing Immigration Laws and closing loopholes that entice&solicit foreign nationals to break those laws.

And because I and millions of other American Citizens believe this to be a major US problem, we are accused of being xenophobes and even racists based on nothing but a political position.

I'm well aware that the overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants are Central and South American Latinos but why does the left insist on believing that race is the basis of our position?

I assure you that for the great majority of us, this position is rooted in nothing more than support for the law of the land and the US Constitution regardless of the nationality or skin color of the offenders.

Although; I'm sure there are those among us who are indeed motivated by racism, xenophobia and just plain ole hate but I also know that this group is a tiny insignificant minority in 21st Century America.

So why can't the liberal and lefty community just accept this reality and stop with the incessant accusations of "racist" and "xenophobe" and realize that our positions on this issue are simply at odds? :blink: ?
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Crying racist and xenophobe is merely a tactic of pro-illegals in general regardless if they lean left or right.Most of them except for a handful of idiots don't believe the racist and xenophobe claims. However a lot of people who are anti-illegal immigration and anti-loose immigration laws cower and shut up when ever some pro-illegal screams racists or xenophobe. Pro-illegals know this.If they can keep people who are against illegal immigration and against loose immigration laws silenced then it will be easier for them to pass amnesty and other pro-illegals laws.
 
Absentglare said:
What issue? That you get really upset when people appropriately characterize xenophobic ideology as xenophobic?
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Xenophobia is fear of strangers, what do you call killing strangers? I ask because there is a lot of people who would like to come here and do just that.
 
coldjoint said:
Xenophobia is fear of strangers, what do you call killing strangers? I ask because there is a lot of people who would like to come here and do just that.
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Your argument is that being scared of criminals (Trump, the law and order candidate), illegal immigrants (Trump, build a wall), Muslim immigrants (Trump, halt Muslim immigration), and Muslim Americans (Trump, mosque surveillance) doesn't qualify as xenophobia?
 
Absentglare said:
Your argument is that being scared of criminals (Trump, the law and order candidate), illegal immigrants (Trump, build a wall), Muslim immigrants (Trump, halt Muslim immigration), and Muslim Americans (Trump, mosque surveillance) doesn't qualify as xenophobia?
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My argument is there are plenty of reasons to keep certain people out. In fact, no one should be allowed until he or she is properly identified. Reality should be the word being repeated, not Xenophobia.
 
Chomsky said:
I take the liberal side of issues often enough, but I am one of the harshest critics of illegal immigration you'll probably meet. I looked at Trump very strongly, because of this issue (amongst others).

So I don't think you'll find liberals carry a homogeneous mindset.

Perhaps, you mean Democrats? :2razz:
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Not even Democrats though most do share some common dichotomies, I know many good Democrats who oppose illegal immigration.

But as the OP describes it, there is a good size segment of the progressive and Libertarian (capital L) mindset that thinks if you don't think like they think, then it must be because of obsession with religion or racism or some other hateful 'ism or phobia. And they simply seem to be incapable of arguing their point of view without throwing out those kinds of insulting labels.

But like the OP said, they have done it so often now they have blunted the impact and 'racism' as a label no longer has any sting. It is a way to identify the brainwashed hatemongers who demand that all speak and believe as they do. It no longer has power to bother the sane and sensible. :)
 
coldjoint said:
My argument is there are plenty of reasons to keep certain people out. In fact, no one should be allowed until he or she is properly identified. Reality should be the word being repeated, not Xenophobia.
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Hard as it may be to admit, you have a valid point. To the extent that the fear is moderate and, perhaps more importantly, justified, it might not qualify as xenophobia.

However, that is a matter of opinion.
 
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